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Guest: Jon Kuhn @kuhn_jon
Show Notes:
Jon Kuhn and I met via the internet and are now friends in real life. I even got to meet his amazing wife, Alexis, at an event recently - shoutout Alexis!
During this episode, sponsored by Foot Levelers, we talk about:
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His last name
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How we ‘met’ for the first time (but we’ve mostly had a “parasocial” relationship - a new word I learned during our conversation)
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His love for “Daddy Rich”, Rich Roll the podcaster
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The two running documentaries he’s made: Ultra: A Team Sport and Chasing 100
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Growing up in Hope, Indiana - 2,000 people and no stoplight
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How his run streak started
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His vegan diet
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The content he creates around things like rectangle pizza (the nostalgia!) Check out his YouTube
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Interviewing his late (step)father after he was diagnosed with late stage esophageal cancer
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How his 15 year old son, Kai, ran 35 miles for a $100 bet
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Running 100 miles before his 40th birthday in December
Sponsor Details:
Other Links:
- Ultra: A Team Sport - Jon's Speed Project Documentary
- Chasing 100 - Jon's Prairie on Fire Documentary
- LIVE PODCAST! After Monumental 11/8
Episode Transcript:
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Okay, and now for this week, happy Taylor Swift Day to All Who Celebrate. If you're listening to this, the day it comes out on October 3rd, the new album is out. I will be probably listening to it all day just to see which songs I like. I'm also hosting a Shake it Off, get it Shake Out Run for the Indie Half Marathon, is on October 4th, which is tomorrow if you're listening to this on Friday, and it's the 30th year of the Indy half. So I'm super excited to be running, also volunteering. If you're local, I hope I get to see you out there. Please say hello, and then I'm heading to Toronto and Montreal for fall break.
On Sunday, day after. So trying to make it through this weekend. Get everything together. probably be super stressed out, but I'm trying to take it one day at a time. Right? Run the mile. You're in Ally. Uh, okay. So for this week's episode, I'm interviewing Jon Kuhn and we talk about the documentaries that he's made on the Prairie on Fire Backyard Ultra.
So congrats again to everybody who completed that. I saw that he [00:03:00] was interviewing a couple of women that I know participated this week, so I cannot wait to see what he puts together for that. There is already a documentary on Prairie on Fire called Chasing 100 that I've linked in the show notes, and he put together a documentary on the speed project that Cameron Bolser did.
Cameron was a previous guest on this podcast. He ran around the perimeter of the United States last year, so check out that episode if you have. Not yet. But I was first introduced to Jon through his work in the documentaries that he created on the sport. And we actually hadn't met in person really until this.
Interview because I'd literally run past him once and that was it. But we've known each other via the internet for a while, and so we chat about that. We chat about his documentaries, how he grew up, how he started his run streak that is over, four years running now. And then we talk about.
More of the content he creates around nostalgic history. So check out his YouTube channel. And then he also interviewed his late [00:04:00] stepfather, which we talk about, after he was diagnosed with late stage esophageal cancer. And we also talk about. Jon's son, Kai, who's 15 and decided that he could run the same distance that his dad had run.
And Jon's pr distance wise is 34 miles. And Kai decided he could run 35 and they made a hundred dollars bet. And I'll be darned, he did it, which is absolutely incredible. So we talk about that and then we also talk about how Jon is committing to running a hundred miles before he turns 40. And that's not like.
You know, one at a time. That's like a hundred miles in a in one go, right? So he turns 40 late December of this year. So Alexis, I'm sure you're listening to this and hopefully he's told you by now, but if not, surprise, he is considering that. So I hope you really enjoyed this conversation with the incredible Jon Coon.
Okay. Are you ready?
Jon Kuhn: No.
Ally Brettnacher: Perfect. Let's go. All right. Day 15, 15 of your run streak.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: How do you say your last name?
Jon Kuhn: [00:05:00] Kuhn.
Ally Brettnacher: Kuhn.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Not Kuhn, I said, was that
Jon Kuhn: confuse people? I said Kuhn for a long time. Okay. Um, probably because I wanted to be fancy.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: but it's Kuhn.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. That's easy. K.
Jon Kuhn: It's um, German. and when immigrants come over and they've got complicated names, it's like, why everyone at not the Chinese buffet is like Aaron. And you're like, you're not an Aaron. That's like, what's your real name? It's like, I'm Aaron.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. So it was like Kuhn invites and Kuhn White.
So all that stuff. They're like, you're Kuhn.
Ally Brettnacher: You're like, okay,
Jon Kuhn: yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah. I should just be Brett Naer or just Brett. Right. Yeah. Which is why I do on my Instagram actually, it's Lt Brett. 'cause you know, there's not enough room for all the rest.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. So, like, funnily enough about all the, the Kuhns being lumped into one.
Like this is your prefix and it doesn't matter. There's a ton of Kuhn Farms and Kuhn families near where I grew up at. Okay. In, uh, hope Indiana and Shelbyville. And I'm not related to any of them.
Ally Brettnacher: That's weird.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. There is like, there's a couple Brett Knockers in Lafayette that were not related to.
My husband's family isn't related to, which is weird.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: I They must be like distant relatives. Yeah. Because that's, I don't know. Anyway.
Jon Kuhn: I mean, really we're all [00:06:00] related.
Ally Brettnacher: Really. We are, we're all
Jon Kuhn: part of the universe.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. You're really into history. Are you into like the genealogy stuff related to history
Jon Kuhn: at all?
Um, no.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. I was just wondering. I mean,
Jon Kuhn: anecdotally we've had, 23 and me in our closet for two years,
Ally Brettnacher: right?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Cool. And I was like, anti 23. And me, I thought it was so dumb, and that I, I saw that the package, 'cause I worked from home, so I saw that package come in. So for like three months before Christmas, we'd be lying in bed, my wife and I, and uh, shout out to Alexis.
But we'd be laying there and I'd be like, you know, I, I think that it would be actually really cool if, I figured out where I came from. I'm getting ready to order a 23 and me, and then she would just start giggling and she's like, you're not gonna do that. I was like, I think I'm gonna order one right now.
She's like, don't, don't. No. I'm like, why don't you want me to order one right now?
Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I know that it was in the closet, but
Ally Brettnacher: that's funny.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I still haven't used it, so I guess I don't care. You have no idea. Yeah. You're just like, I don't care. We do it. I wanna say I care 'cause I feel like I should, but
Ally Brettnacher: yeah, my mom was really into having us do it when it first came out, and so I did, but I couldn't tell you anything about it.
I forget. Yeah. It wasn't that interesting. It doesn't matter. Yeah. It just doesn't [00:07:00] matter.
Jon Kuhn: Maybe it does.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I don't know. Whatever. so you and I have never met in person Really? Yeah. Until today. Yeah. Which is so weird.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. It's like a, it's, it's parasocial.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. What is that a, that's how you call, so
Jon Kuhn: the relationship that people have with influencers is parasocial.
I think our relationship wasn't necessarily, wouldn't fit into Parasocial because we have communicated
Ally Brettnacher: Yes.
Jon Kuhn: But when you reach out to someone you've been following for a long time, that person doesn't know who you are, but you feel like you know who they are because you see them on the screen all the time.
Or if you listen to 'em, they're in your head. Like
Ally Brettnacher: Right.
Jon Kuhn: Everyone's parasocial friends with like whatever podcasts they listen to.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Like Alex Cooper and I are for sure,
Jon Kuhn: for sure. Parasocial friends. Parasocial friends. Yeah. So we were like teetering on that line.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. But when you saw me running on the trail and I saw you for the first time, it was like a shock.
It's like, oh, this person does exist.
Ally Brettnacher: That that's a real person. That's him.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're
Ally Brettnacher: really tall. I feel like that. I didn't know. I was like, wow. Okay. Oh,
Jon Kuhn: yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's a thing too. The things, people like
Jon Kuhn: things. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: People always tell me, do they tell me I'm taller or shorter? I think Taller than they expect.
Yeah. Which I think [00:08:00] is weird.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: You think that's, I don't know. I guess it's like, well, what did you picture? I don't know. Just a normal height.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I don't know if I ever expect what people look like in person. I don't think about it. It
Ally Brettnacher: is weird. Yeah. I think about it sometimes if I'm trying to like meet somebody in real life that I've never met.
Yeah. And sometimes it can be hard to like picture what they're gonna actually really look like compared to what they put on the internet. I don't know.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Maybe I'm a really good person. I just don't care about what people look on the outside.
Ally Brettnacher: That's nice. I like that.
Jon Kuhn: Or I'm so self-absorbed that I don't ever think about anyone else just paying attention to anybody.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter what they look like. I'm me.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah. I don't care what they look like. Here I am. We're here. Uh, I did not know your shirt was a rich roll. It is Shirt until you turned around and I saw your back. Yeah. I love Rich Roll too.
Jon Kuhn: He, he's, uh, he's, we call him Daddy Rich in our house.
Ally Brettnacher: Daddy Rich. Yeah. That's funny.
Jon Kuhn: And Mama Julie, his wife. Yeah. Yeah. That's
Ally Brettnacher: great.
Jon Kuhn: I, he will never see this, but God, if he ever did, I would, I would be so embarrassed if I ever met him. And then Alexis was like, tell him that you call him daddy.
Ally Brettnacher: And he'd probably be like, cool man.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. [00:09:00] Yeah. I went through a face for a while where, uh.
Uh, I would tag and talk about Alexis, talking about how he was handsome and I would tag him. Yeah. A couple times he replied to it.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: And I got so nervous because he's the parasocial person reaching out to me.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is this you or is it like Yeah. Somebody in your office.
Yeah. Office. Like, you're all
Jon Kuhn: good man. I'll stay away. Yeah. I'm like, okay. Well I maybe he thinks I'm being aggressive.
Ally Brettnacher: No,
Jon Kuhn: I'm over some. It's so crazy. See, that's the kind of stuff I ever think about. Not what someone looks like, what someone thinks about me. That's not good. You're not my therapist. I
Ally Brettnacher: think everybody overthinks that.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Probably. I don't know. I have my therapy after this actually.
Jon Kuhn: Good. Yeah. When people, when I, well when I'm talking about like how I come across to people and someone's like, you shouldn't think about yourself so much. I'm like, you are a liar. Because everyone thinks about that. Yeah. Because we all have that inherent fear of being, excommunicated.
Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.
Jon Kuhn: Or like removed from the tribe. Yeah. Women more so than men because of conspiratorial bullying, but that's a whole other rabbit hole. Yeah. That is.
Ally Brettnacher: I love the phrase no one cares. You've probably seen me share that.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: That's [00:10:00] why people are always thinking about themselves, so who cares? Nobody cares.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah. At
Ally Brettnacher: all about what you're doing, what you, nobody cares. Yeah. They're just thinking about themselves, which is kind of freeing in a way. Yeah. Because you don't have to worry about it. Yeah. Which is nice. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: I say that before I post YouTube videos. I'll be like, no one actually cares. Right. That knows me.
People will tell you what they think about you. Sure. But mostly not.
Ally Brettnacher: Well, and that's when you've like started to make it Yeah. Right. When the trolls come out.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah. And I haven't
Ally Brettnacher: gotten a lot of that yet, so I'm like, okay. I'm just not, I haven't done enough yet. Yeah. Where the people are coming for me.
Jon Kuhn: Be careful what you wish for.
Ally Brettnacher: I'm worried about that. Yeah. A little. Because I do care.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Even though I try not to
Jon Kuhn: just delete it.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: You should always just delete it.
Ally Brettnacher: That's a good idea. Yeah. I'll just, I just wish I could do that without you reading it.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Like set settings on Instagram that says like, if it's negative, just delete it.
Yeah. Before I can even read it.
Jon Kuhn: Please. You can filter out certain words. But yeah, anyway.
Ally Brettnacher: Anyway, so it's not weird. We've not doing marketing. We've met in passing.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: running. Was I alone or was with my friend Becky? You
Jon Kuhn: were with a friend. Friend. I don't know [00:11:00] friend. If it was Becky friend,
Ally Brettnacher: it was probably Becky, because out Becky, shout out to Becky, who we met through this podcast.
I interviewed her running coach who lives in California. Mm-hmm. And she was like, uh, I live in Westfield. Yeah. So it was just wild, small world thing. And now we're doing our second marathon training season together, which is funny. So we were out, you know, I map runs. Yeah. For whatever reason, like to be a little different.
I don't like running the same route all the time. Yeah. Although I do that a lot and so that's why we were over staying. I'm like that
Jon Kuhn: with driving too. I just, any, anyway, so you're over by.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. So I was over by, is that your neck of the woods over there? Yeah. Yeah. Where do you live?
Jon Kuhn: I tell people I live in Oak Manor, but really I live in the villages of Oak Manor.
Okay. Because when you say Oak Manor, they're like, oh my gosh. Whoa. Fancy man. You must be crushing it in the video world. I'm like, oh yeah, you're
Ally Brettnacher: like, let me tell you.
Jon Kuhn: But really, my wife makes way more money than I do, and we live in the villages of Oak Manor, which is like the, the subsidiary of the Nice neighborhood,
Ally Brettnacher: which is great.
Jon Kuhn: Which is still a great neighborhood, but our kids are like, oh, we are the poor people in Westfield. It's like, you guys are ridiculous. [00:12:00]
Ally Brettnacher: That, and that's a whole nother thing too.
Jon Kuhn: It is a whole other thing.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh yeah. My kids didn't want to go to the country club pool because it was too warm. The water was too warm.
Oh my gosh. I was like, you guys have no idea. Best problems. So yeah. The best problems that, yeah. Right. So, okay, so we're kind of neighbors. We don't live too far apart. So, but we've now finally met. It's crazy. We have, I've seen your documentary, both of them. Okay. So I've seen the Cameron Zer one. That one's called what?
Finding Ultra,
Jon Kuhn: , Ultra a team sport Ultra a team sport. I always
Ally Brettnacher: mess it up. And then it's all good chasing 100, which is about prairie on fire.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Which is both amazing. Thank
Jon Kuhn: you.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I mean, just incredible work.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I, uh, I appreciate you saying that. I'm weird about compliments. I used to think that I would want people to compliment me all the time.
Yeah. obviously I know I have some skillset that I'm like using to be of service, but, I, especially with Cameron, not especially with Cameron, but with Cameron and all the runners, the stories are just there and I feel like I'm, I'm just witnessing it happen. So like, I feel like I have very little to do with it.
I know I make the decisions on editing and stuff, but
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. [00:13:00]
Jon Kuhn: Yeah, I just, I'm very grateful to be a part of that world.
Ally Brettnacher: That had to be such a crazy journey with Cameron in particular. How did you meet him?
Jon Kuhn: Um. Kind of periphery. He was someone that existed, and I, I saw him at Prairie on Fire the first time.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: when I started on my journey to become a not fact dad, and I ran a marathon in 2020. All the marathons were canceled, I think. so I ran my own marathon to raise money for a, uh, local community leader. And Scotty Banks is an orange theory coach. Shout out Scotty.
Ally Brettnacher: Scotty.
Jon Kuhn: I'm gonna shout out everybody.
Ally Brettnacher: I like it. Then. Then maybe they'll all listen. He'd be like, I shouted you out. Now you have to go watch or listen to it.
Jon Kuhn: Uh, but Scotty and uh, uh, lady named Molly Bruner, and then someone else, I can't remember her name, sorry. not shout out.
Ally Brettnacher: insert, I'll edit it. Yeah. Yeah. Really well with like
Jon Kuhn: Katie, it was Katie, Molly, Katie, Scotty.
Ally Brettnacher: Was it Katie Watchill, or is that. I don't know. She's an orange theory. Anyway.
Jon Kuhn: Anyway, anyway, so we ran, they ran a marathon with me. It was my first marathon. ran it, like, uh, just like, kind of by myself. Did like, we did our own [00:14:00] course. We went out to, um, Fort Harrison and did this like crazy, like BMX trail loop, um, wow.
Right?
Ally Brettnacher: So hard.
Jon Kuhn: So Scotty and I became friends and bonded over that. We randomly met, after I was his server for a long time at Patsu, and then I was looking to buy a piece of camera equipment, went to meet this guy off Facebook marketplace. I was like, oh, you're the frittata guy, egg whites. He's like, yeah, you're the, the guy that wore kilt at Patsu.
I was like, yeah. So we became internet friends. And then, in 2020 I was like, Heym, IM going to run this marathon to raise money, blah, blah, blah. Doing this community leader like documentary thing, mini doc. And Scotty instantly was like, I'm down. Let's do it. So I was like, oh, I put myself on the hook.
Now I have to do this thing now. So Scotty and I became friends and bonded over that, he did prayer on fire and I went and took some pictures of Scotty the first time we did prayer on fire. and I took pictures of Molly and a few other people in the tent and Scotty said to me, you should get pictures of the blonde lady over there and as Christy D
Ally Brettnacher: Oh, yep.
Jon Kuhn: and I got some pictures of Christy and I sent out the pictures just as like a way to be like, Hey, I want to support you guys. Mm-hmm. Could you [00:15:00] supported me? And then fast forward like a year later. Christie emailed me and said, Hey, we need someone to do photos for Prairie On Fire. and I said, yeah, let's, let's meet up, let's talk.
TJ Daly, founder of uh, mesh Mesa Track Club was in this meeting and right off the jump I was like, Hey, look. I was like, I don't do photography like I will if you want me to, 'cause I like to make money, but I do video. and this is what I would do with your, your guy Cameron. He's running around the country.
Not a lot of people are following him. and I think more people should know who he is. Yeah. And I pitched the idea and then a few days later TJ emailed me and said, Hey, do you want to go film this race called The Speed Project? I was like, awesome. When is it? He said, next week.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh my gosh. No way. So I
Jon Kuhn: had to be like, Hey Alexis, I'm gonna go my wife Alexis, shout out Alexis.
I was like, I'm gonna go to la. she's like, when I was like Monday, she's like, well, it's Thursday. I was like, yeah, but you got the kids right. So like super awesome that she said yes to that.
Ally Brettnacher: That is amazing.
Jon Kuhn: Landed in, LA went to Santa Monica. and then my hands, we filmed the race for like five days.
My [00:16:00] hands had cracks all on 'em from holding a camera for five days straight. I bet. Yeah. It was wild.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It's like, I wonder what's harder holding the camera or running 300 miles.
Jon Kuhn: yeah, definitely running. I'm
Ally Brettnacher: just kidding. Yeah. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Definitely running. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: But there things you don't think about for like doing the endurance filming part of it.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: No blisters though. Just cracked.
Jon Kuhn: I, I don't know. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Blisters something. Yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: something.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I felt weird for a while afterwards. You don't sleep really? I slept for like four hours.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh my gosh. But
Jon Kuhn: again, I hesitate to, like, as you just said, someone was running 300 miles, so it's like, who am I to complain about being a little tired?
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. But it's still hard what you're doing too. I know. But it is funny. You're like, okay, to put it in perspective, I'm not running at all here. Yeah. I'm, or did you, did you like run alongside him to Yeah,
Jon Kuhn: yeah. No, I did. Yeah. There's a scene, there's a scene where, cam has a dog attack him. I was the one running with him then.
Ally Brettnacher: Right. That's, that was really scary.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. That was the first time I paced him too. They were like, let's go. Uh, they were like, go, uh, go pace cam. And the whole time I was like, I don't want to be a pacer, because to me that feels like selfish. 'cause I really wanna do that. And I feel like my [00:17:00] job is to film him as he's coming in to stops mm-hmm.
Or whatever. Mm-hmm. And then his mom was like, Hey, you should go, like, run with him. Like, you should get to know him.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's a good call. And
Jon Kuhn: then I listened to his mom, and then I almost got attacked by, well, I did get attacked by the dog. And then you almost died. Yeah. But yeah. You know, he didn't bite us or anything, so.
Right. How long did
Ally Brettnacher: that dog follow you?
Jon Kuhn: It was, it was like a minute or two.
Ally Brettnacher: Probably felt like longer
Jon Kuhn: felt like, yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: That's when I knew, I was like, I think I'm a real filmmaker, or a real documentary filmmaker because when the dog started running up, I instantly pulled out my phone and like filmed it, uh, horizontally.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: And I was like, I I, if he's gonna bite me, I have to have it recorded.
Ally Brettnacher: Right.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Of course. And the whole
Jon Kuhn: time I was like trying to like frame up the shot where I'm like trying to like, do I protect Cam? 'cause if I protect Cam, he's not in frame. And yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: The thinking again. Yeah. I love it. You're like, okay, how am I, yeah, I gotta make sure I get this right.
Yeah. There's this video instinctively just, there's this video of this, photographer that's, it's a surprise engagement. And the first thing she does when she realizes that it's her engagement is she takes her phones out of her [00:18:00] pocket and throws 'em on the ground because she doesn't want them to be in the pictures and in the video.
And it's like,
Jon Kuhn: yeah. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: That's a professional right there. Yeah. So just like you reaching for your phone. Gotta get it on camera.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So let's go back to Fat Dad.
Jon Kuhn: Fat Dad,
Ally Brettnacher: let's take it back.
Jon Kuhn: Okay.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. So you grew up in Hope Indiana.
Jon Kuhn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Ally Brettnacher: Do you have siblings?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah, I have a, a brother and a sister.
Okay. A full fledged brother, full fledged sister. But, biologically, she's my half sister. Okay.
Ally Brettnacher: And are they older or younger? Where do you fall? Uh, younger. I'm the eldest. Yeah. Okay. I'm the oldest as well. Yeah. Yeah. Of three. So that makes sense. We probably have a lot more in common then with the, for sure.
With the overthinking. Are you a rule follower?
Jon Kuhn: Um, if I think it's a good rule.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's fair. Me too, actually. Yeah, because if it's, if
Jon Kuhn: I think it's a dumb rule, then no, no. Absolutely not. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. So, so you grew up, did you play sports growing up at all? Um,
Jon Kuhn: a little bit. yeah. I played sports until like ninth grade.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Uh,
Jon Kuhn: basketball, baseball.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Kind of like the normal Indiana kid stuff.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you, uh, can [00:19:00] you cuss on this podcast? Yeah. You can say whatever you
Ally Brettnacher: want.
Jon Kuhn: So, I grew up in a really small I Indiana farm town, like 2000 people is a population. There's not a stoplight.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: And I, there
Ally Brettnacher: not, there's not even a stoplight.
There's not
Jon Kuhn: even a stoplight. And I grew up in Indianapolis and my mom taught me to like, love everyone and to like be freethinking something that she regrets constantly. 'cause she's like, just shut up, Jon. Like, it's okay. Just go with it. but I for some reason had this like, progressive ideology and was like kinda like, uh, an emo punk kid living in this like small farm town.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh man.
Jon Kuhn: Didn't go over super great. I was also annoying to like, in their defense, the people that, tortured me basically. But my nickname in high school, starting in middle school and through high school and still to this day in that town is cat fucker.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh. Please explain.
Jon Kuhn: I did not have sex with a cat.
Ally Brettnacher: That's good to know.
Jon Kuhn: That is not why they called me that. Okay. It's, it's a good nickname and kids are terrible.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: My brother told people that I did. So someone heard this and then, you know, we go, uh, we're [00:20:00] playing basketball at, uh, the neighbor's house, middle of the summer afternoon. And I was making fun of my brother for being chubby.
And he is like, yeah, you had sex with our cat. And I was like, that's not true. And then everyone didn't hear the part where I said, that's not true or didn't care. So then Kuhn Kat. Cat fucker. Cat fucker was the one that was used most often. But Kuhn Ka became like the thing that they would say when there was adults around.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh. So they'd be like, yeah, you
Jon Kuhn: what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they self-censored, so that's good. They felt a little bit of like the, the pressure of like, um, supervision or whatever, or authority.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: But we go to, uh, a baseball game that night and my buddy who's the catcher that was also playing, basketball with us that day, uh, told the coaches that I was cat fucker great.
And the coaches started calling me cat fucker. And the girl that I had a crush on, shout out to Jessica, uh, is Jessica, but maybe Jessica don't wanna Alexis, I don't follow her on any social platforms. But, uh, Jessica, I could see the moment where she was like. Into me or the idea of me. And then she heard that [00:21:00] I was into bestiality, allegedly.
And the turn and the get up and the walkway and to never to sit in that spot in the bench again. It was a very lonely night on the mound as That's sad cat fuck. And you know, even like when I was like 20 years old, 20, I was, I mean, I was probably 24, 23 'cause I had my son with me and I was like, pumping gas.
And someone yells across like the Hux parking lot cat fucker. And you're like, yeah, yeah, that's me. Great. So that, yeah, that's, that's the backstory of high school stuff. Wow. And that's why I quit playing sports. And then, so from the beginning of cat fucker day one, and then quitting sports up until like 37 years old, never went to a gym.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Didn't even
Jon Kuhn: step foot inside of a gym. Didn't run or work out one time. Okay. Maybe I tried P 90 X one time when I was 28 and went too hard and hurt myself.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: When did you become a dad?
Jon Kuhn: When, uh, to my knowledge for the first time when I was like 23, 22.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Yeah. 'cause you were saying like, and I was like, okay, you were a young dad.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah, [00:22:00] yeah. Young dad. Um, I went on this like walk about after high school, to find myself and to prove people wrong me. I'm not c um, I'm not cat hugger. Um, but I, uh, kind of worked odd jobs, didn't go to college. And then, uh, got into some drugs, got into some of the stuff that you do when you're like doing a walk about, I guess.
and then kind of like became this like traveling nomad like hippie guy for like three or four years. Met a lady in San Francisco when I was living in a van with a guy named Shameless Jon. And then, uh, told the girl I was gonna go. I was going to Florida, I was on my way. That wasn't true, but I did end up taking her home.
And then we made a beautiful baby together.
Ally Brettnacher: And so where does your beautiful baby live? Now? I'm
Jon Kuhn: realizing this, there's not a lot of exposition for this. I'm just diving into it. My son lives with me.
Ally Brettnacher: Awesome. Yeah. How old is he?
Jon Kuhn: He's, uh, 15. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So he's the one that just, okay, we'll talk about that in a minute.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Dear Lord.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. So, so I, I had this like, crazy, like drug fueled Hunter s Thompson, Jack Kerouac walkabout, God living.
Ally Brettnacher: [00:23:00] And you lived
Jon Kuhn: in a van? Lived in a van, lived in a car, lived in a teepee in the, the mountains in Oregon. Cool. Uh, yeah. Uh, that doesn't sound that fun. Allegedly sold psychedelic drugs and like, participated in this like, festival circuit, joined a cult, rainbow Family Living Light, did all that stuff.
Got it all outta the way. Right. Okay. Just like you do, right? Just like everyone does that, right? Everyone does. That just
Ally Brettnacher: looked a little different. Yeah. But did, did something similar. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Everyone does that. Yeah. So then, have the baby, I decide to start, straighten my life up, kind of, you know, compared to the mom and No, like, knock to her, but like, is she still alive?
Does she, she's still alive. I don't wanna go into, I guess a lot here, but still like, is struggling in a way that like my son is aware of now and we all talk and like we talk about empathy and compassion for people. Yep. And like you don't ever know what someone's going through. but I ended up with custody of my son.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: So that gives you kind of any kind of context for the state of the other person.
Ally Brettnacher: Right. You're like, okay, we're like, he's
Jon Kuhn: the guy. And so honestly when I was getting custody of my son, something that stuck out to me that that didn't take effect quick enough. But the [00:24:00] judge dislike real conservative, probably still loves like, is probably diehard maga Like he would be best buds with Jim Crow.
Kind of like, uh, used car salesman of a judge. Yeah. Was like, I really feel bad having to choose between these two pieces of shit to give the child to. So just know, sir, that you are just a lust of a piece of shit than she is.
Ally Brettnacher: And you're like, okay. And I was like, all
Jon Kuhn: right, thanks man. Cool. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Wow. Yeah.
And
Jon Kuhn: my lawyer, shout out to Alan. Alan
Ally Brettnacher: Perez, Alan Perez. That sounds like lawyer. He was like,
Jon Kuhn: dude, you were a smart kid. And he is like, you fucked up. But like, don't listen to him. Like go prove him wrong. And I did eventually, but it, it took a lot. Like I, you know.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. So I have custody of my kid, old move up Indiana.
How old were, how old were
Ally Brettnacher: you and how old was he when you got custody?
Jon Kuhn: He, I, I had him alone from the time he was three months old. and on
Ally Brettnacher: Jon. That's crazy. It is
Jon Kuhn: crazy. so, and I was in college. I wanted to be professors. Trying to get my life turned around. Was doing pretty well in school. Honor Society.
Shout out Polk State,
Ally Brettnacher: the number of shoutouts. The Vikings. The Vikings, yeah. They're
Jon Kuhn: not the Vikings anymore. They're the [00:25:00] Falcons or something. Oh,
Ally Brettnacher: Falcons is Vikings. You can't say that anymore.
Jon Kuhn: No, I don't. I don't.
Ally Brettnacher: It's
Jon Kuhn: Florida, so I doubt that's why they changed it. Yeah. Okay. I moved up to Indiana and uh, decided not to pursue, college for time being. Why'd you move to Indiana? Because that's where my family's from.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm with you.
Jon Kuhn: So then I start working in restaurants, start doing standup, start like,
Ally Brettnacher: standup.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah. I did standup for a long time. not very well, but like, I started like running shows and then like, like kinda like working my way through that.
Ally Brettnacher: do you do that anymore ever, like just to open mic night?
Jon Kuhn: No, no, no. It's on the radar, but
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. You heard it here?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. But, uh, working in restaurants dated around a little bit. I had a lady that, we lived together for a couple years. but just really trying to piece my life back together and like, prove that judge wrong.
But I, I still kept boozing. Mm-hmm. And I would, uh, I didn't really drink around the kids, but like, they'd go to sleep and I'd like smash like six IPAs and maybe drink some bourbon drink, honestly, way too much. and then I just got fatter and fatter.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Right. [00:26:00] And, at some point. You know, I, I had someone say to me, I was like complaining about a girl I was dating, and my buddy was like, dude, he's like, you say this shit all the time.
And he is like, you're also, you're cheating on her too. So like, shut up. He's like, I'm s listen, you complain. Mm. And that guy cut me out of his life. And that was like a real, like, that was the best thing anyone could have ever done was having someone with boundaries be like, nah, I can't do this anymore. I can't engage in your nonsense.
Mm-hmm. And then shortly after that I was like, everything that's bad. That's happened in my life. I've been there for it. Right. and maybe not all of it's my fault, but I've certainly been there for it. Yeah. So like, I need to start figuring out like what I can do differently. and I still didn't listen to that, but I started being like more honest and trying to be a better person.
and like establishing some kind of virtues. still boozing the whole time. I would do like 30 days streaks and stuff. did you have
Ally Brettnacher: more than one kid? Do you just have one son? Just one kid. Okay. And
Jon Kuhn: then I have a daughter that's my stepdaughter. Okay. She's 16.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: I'm trying to keep this like tight.
This story
Ally Brettnacher: doesn't seem like it's gonna work.
Jon Kuhn: No, no. There's a
Ally Brettnacher: [00:27:00] lot here.
Jon Kuhn: There's a lot. But, meet my beautiful wife now we start growing our family together. Keep growing. How did you, how did you meet Alexis? Uh, working at a restaurant.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Pat At Paton Chu?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Just so you know, my order. Hippie with the bins, arugula and cinnamon toast. Okay. Okay. Every time arugula
Jon Kuhn: instead of fruit. Oh yeah.
I do like the fruit too. Usually my
Ally Brettnacher: kids are with me and they'll get the fruit, so I can have a little bit of the fruit, but I just love arugula.
Jon Kuhn: Arugula is good. Pepper.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Oh yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Anyway,
Jon Kuhn: so we meet at Chu Love. Oh, I start running and then I quit drinking for like a hundred days. And then that's when I noticed for the first time where I realized for the first time that like I looked bad because people were like, what are you doing differently?
I'm like, to me, I was like, I'm just in a relationship and I think Alexis and I were like hung over one day at a, a diner. And she looked over at this older, uh, gentleman eating alone, which like old guys eating alone is sad. We both started crying and then we were both like, we're pretty hungover. So I was like, I'm gonna do this relationship differently because I love you so much.
Like, let's not drink for like, [00:28:00] let's commit to like a hundred days and like just see if we like each other sober. Because every other relationship has been like, I meet someone at a bar, we hang out, we bond over drinking. That's what I do, the lifestyle, restaurants comedy, dah blah, dah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: So I start losing all this weight looking good.
I start running a little bit. 'cause I had a, a buddy named Kyle shut out Kyle,
Ally Brettnacher: which Kyle do I know? Uh,
Jon Kuhn: Kyle Ingham. He's, okay. He's a guy that, worked with me at Chu.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. But he ran
Jon Kuhn: a little bit, so I started running with him. Okay.
Ally Brettnacher: And, and where like you just go on. Let's see. Where would you have lived?
Like just on the monan go. Just
Jon Kuhn: around. I lived in Lawrence.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: Uh, near Fort Harrison. So you
Ally Brettnacher: would go to the fort? Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. So the first time I tried to run, I had just quit. I had said I was quit quitting smoking cold Turkey the night before and tried to run around the block and couldn't do it. And then I randomly googled, do people run 100 miles?
'cause that's where my brain goes. Like total attic behavior. Wow. I was like, I can't go around the block, but do people do a hundred miles ever? And it's like, yes. And that's how I found Rich Roll started going down this self-help journey. so I did the early sobriety with Alexis and then went back to drinking and started [00:29:00] gaining weight.
COVID happened 2020 and we go on a vacation and we're near like, uh, I think we're in Saugatuck, Michigan. And, I'd already started freelancing and doing camera stuff and uh, I gave my kids an old camera and my son gravitated towards it. They each had their own SD card, but he was taking pictures like crazy.
It. The picture that definitely changed my life was when I popped the SD card in and I was like dumping their files. I saw this picture of me crossing the road and it was like knowing my son took it and then the perspective, 'cause he's a little guy at the time and it's like looking up at me.
Yeah. And I'm sweaty and I got man boobs and I'm like, two 60. I weigh like 200 pounds right now. I was like closing an nail on two 60. I was like, that's the fucking guy he looks up to. Is this guy who like, I'm the one parent he has and he has an amazing stepmom and we have an amazing support system. But like, I'm the one biological parent and that's his, I'm supposed to be his role model and I am, I'm his hero.
I'm a shitty hero. And people say you shouldn't be hard on yourself or whatever. But like, that's what worked for me was being like, no, I have to hold myself accountable. so then I was like, I'm not gonna be a [00:30:00] fat dad. And then that's when I, uh, shortly after that, uh, started the run streak, switch to switch my diet.
and alcohol was the last thing to go. I was like trying to twitch my diet and I felt pretty good. and I was running every day, but I was still like hungover. Yeah. Like all the time.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: So like on day 100 or whatever New Year's, I was like, I have to get rid of booze because like, it's not working for me.
Ally Brettnacher: It's not.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: So there was a lot there.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. The run streak was, no, it's cohesive. It's wild. I have like about a million questions, but the run streak. Starting the run streak.
Jon Kuhn: Mm-hmm.
Ally Brettnacher: When you started running, you were like, I'm going to run every day until I No, no. Miss a day. Like how did you No, I ran off
Jon Kuhn: and on.
I started running in like 2018, and did a five KI was the kind of runner that's like, I would maybe periodically sign up for a 5K.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: And, I would run like a 25 minute 5K, and then I would. Just go back to drinking.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Like I, I, uh, I couldn't, I couldn't be consistent with [00:31:00] anything.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: And I did that off and on even after, like, after the first marathon in 2020 that we ran on our own and they filmed the thing about mm-hmm.
I, um, I didn't run again for like almost a year. And then I was listening to, uh, daddy Rich, rich Ws podcast and uh, hell Abbi was on there and he talked about a run streak and I was like, I'm just gonna do 30 days. And then I wasn't paying attention probably 'cause I was boozing, I was living with my mother-in-law or something at the time.
Life was crazy. But, uh, one day I was like, I wonder if I've hit the 30 days yet. And I was like, oh shit, it's day 35. Well, I might as well keep going.
Ally Brettnacher: Wow.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: How do you keep track?
Jon Kuhn: Uh, I have an app. It's called Days Since.
Ally Brettnacher: Did you do that from the get go or did you find that in No, I had to go back
Jon Kuhn: and reverse engineer and be like, when was it?
Because I talked about it a little bit on social media, but not a lot.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I,
Jon Kuhn: I, I had a, a on June 18th or whatever it was. I said that, um, I was gonna do 30 days, so I had went back through my stories Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: And you're like, okay. That's when I did it. And for
Jon Kuhn: a long time I was just like, Hey, Siri, how many days has it been since this?
Or whatever,
Ally Brettnacher: right? Yeah. The [00:32:00] number of times I Google when the Marine Corps marathon is right now is like every day.
Jon Kuhn: Why is that?
Ally Brettnacher: Because I'm running it. So it's like, how many days until October 26th? Yeah. Yeah. How many days? And now it's just like in my shortcuts. Yeah. 'cause I do it every day. Yeah. but yeah.
That's crazy. So 1515, that's over four years mm-hmm. Of running every day. Mm-hmm. And what are the parameters?
Jon Kuhn: Just a mile. I have like another thing where it's like 10 minutes, but like, really it's just a, a mile every day. It was outside.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: Until, uh, this winter and there was ice and I was like, I I, I was like, I wanna run for 10 miles and I know I'll only run a mile if I go out and
Ally Brettnacher: go out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
Jon Kuhn: I laid it up, I went inside, but yeah, mostly outside. It was outside only for like three years. Yeah. Yeah. Which.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. So do you, are there specific stories in your mind that stand out where you, like, like we were talking about earlier, where you're in bed and all of a sudden you're like, oh my God, did I run's time?
The craziest thing you did to get it in?
or some examples of that. So for four [00:33:00] years, that's
Jon Kuhn: I've, yeah. I've run in jeans before. Before. Oh, Truet Hayes run. What
Ally Brettnacher: is that? Who is that?
Jon Kuhn: Uh, Cameron Haynes son. He's doing all these like, marathons and jeans. Oh, Jesus. Breaking these records or whatever.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
That sounds horrible.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I think he's running, he's trying to break, two 30 in the marathon wearing jeans. He's getting close too.
Ally Brettnacher: That's nuts.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: Um, so I've run in jeans. I ran in like a, a convention center hallways a few months ago. The first day of production with the speed project, it was like 1130.
And I was like, oh God, I have to get in. A mile. So I just ran circles around the gas station.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah,
Jon Kuhn: yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Wow.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. plenty of times I've gotten home at night, uh, and I should have ran earlier in the morning. I was so stubborn about it, but like, you know, they say the know, know thyself. So I, I knew putting myself on this like thing where I get momentum going for a long, it took me so long to become like a morning runner.
Mm-hmm. Even now, like I don't ever, I hardly ever get up at like five or whatever. Me. Yeah. Same. But, uh, plenty of times I'd get home like after a long day [00:34:00] and it's like 1145 and I'm like, I gotta go. or I haven't run during the day and I've been on like site, working like a real person out in the world.
And then I'll drop pasta into the boiling water, set a timer for 11 minutes, go and then go run. That's so funny. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Get back. I'm like, the house didn't burned down.
Ally Brettnacher: Does Alexis run? Uh,
Jon Kuhn: kind of a little. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From adversity? No,
Ally Brettnacher: from a first Get outta
Jon Kuhn: here. Yeah. So,
Ally Brettnacher: okay. And then you also mentioned the diet part of it.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. '
Ally Brettnacher: cause you're vegan.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Unfortunately.
Ally Brettnacher: Sober vegan. Just like Larry Shout. Can you give Larry a shout out? Larry quit
Jon Kuhn: being a vegan. And he did. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Larry, I just said that out loud. Quit
Jon Kuhn: publicly. Yeah. Oh, it's okay. Oh, well. Sorry. Sorry. It's all right. It's fine. You know, you're a quitter, Larry.
Ally Brettnacher: You know this.
It's okay.
Jon Kuhn: I still love you.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Shout out Larry. Shout out to Larry. Quitter. Quitter. Quitter. Okay. And so what made you, so you're just dieting and then you decide to cut out. Like when did you, how did you discover what it was to be a vegan roll? Was vegetarian is [00:35:00] probably daddy rich, wasn't
Jon Kuhn: it? No, I was a vegetarian in high school.
Like, uh, I said like progressive punk kid. Okay. Okay. Seriously? Yeah. Yeah. a bunch of vegetarians and like, I was, I didn't drink alcohol or smoke weed or cigarettes or anything until I was like after high school for the first time. Okay. I was like a straight edge vegetarian kid. once you start like thinking about what you're eating.
I don't want to go on this like ethical soapbox, but, once you start thinking about like, what you're eating is like a thing, even if you like, express that gratitude, I think it's hard to like, detach from it.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: and in my ongoing pursuit of becoming like YouTube famous, I, I started out doing like self-help stuff, which is crazy when I look back at those videos 'cause I was so bloated and sweaty.
but one of the things I start somewhere, I was like, well, 30 days, 30 day challenges are a thing. So, you know, vegan was on the radar for a long time. I never fully switched from vegetarian to vegan. and I, I went back to eating meat when I was like 19. So I was like full on, like, I was eating like cow tongue, like, trite soup.
like what is
Ally Brettnacher: trite?
Jon Kuhn: Uh, trite [00:36:00] Is stomach lining.
Ally Brettnacher: No.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah, it's delicious. If you've ever had like traditional faux, it's in there.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh. I don't know if I've ever that.
Jon Kuhn: but I, I was a very adventurous eater. I'd eat anything. Okay. Yeah. Sounds like also smashing. Like the last meal I had as a meat eating person was like 24 chicken wings and like a, like a large pepperoni and like sausage, like, so disgusting.
but I was gonna do the 30 day vegan YouTube video and I never actually even made the video, but, I just was thinking about it and I watched, uh, a couple YouTube videos. Earthling Ed was one of the guys I came across. Shout out Earthling, ed Earthling, shut out. but the realization that people do thrive on a plant-based diet and I could be plant-based and could thrive because it's a possibility and that means that I'm only eating meat.
'cause I'm like, Ooh, it tastes good. Mm. Like living with that was heavy. So then I, I, I switched and, uh, the 30 day, the idea of the 30 day thing became like a lifestyle and I feel better. but I was eating like trash. Yeah. So it's like I have to like caveat that with like, I think [00:37:00] that, you know, diet is such a personal thing.
Yeah. Or whatever. I don't wanna like demonize anyone for eating meat. but I started feeling better, pretty quickly even before I went vegan. Cutting out like cream in my coffee and stuff.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Wild.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Sober vegan runner. Sober
Ally Brettnacher: vegan runner.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah. It's wild.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Now you're like the picture of health.
Now
Jon Kuhn: I'm not the picture of health. I mean it's, it's still skinny fat,
Ally Brettnacher: whatever. I, I don't think so. so, okay, so you went vegan. Is Alexis vegan? No.
Jon Kuhn: Okay.
Ally Brettnacher: No, I was gonna say that.
Jon Kuhn: I dunno why I laughed. I, no, no way.
Ally Brettnacher: No, she's not, she
Jon Kuhn: never, she uh, so the thing about diets being specific, I won't go on into all her things 'cause that's her story to tell, but, um, she is on like, it's called like the low FOD mop diet and soy, and she also produces kidney stones and soy is something that fucks her up.
So it's just easier for her and plus the kids, like we started the kids way too late. If we were gonna make them go in. Oh.
Ally Brettnacher: I mean, the idea, they're like,
Jon Kuhn: no thanks. Like at first they were like, I think I'm gonna do that. Then very quickly they're like, that means no Chick-fil-A. No. In and out. If we ever go to the West Coast, it means no [00:38:00] Culver's, Freddy's, whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Portillo's. Yeah,
Jon Kuhn: yeah, yeah. So I'm the only vegan in the house, but, um, yeah, she dabbled, but not the diet thing. It was just much easier for her to like eat what the kids are getting kids. Yeah. She, she doesn't eat to the extreme that the kids do. 'cause they are like teenagers, right?
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So, races, you mentioned the five Ks.
Jon Kuhn: Mm-hmm.
Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. At what point did you, okay, so it was 2020 was the first marathon in between the five Ks and the first marathon that you did.
Jon Kuhn: Mm-hmm.
Ally Brettnacher: Did you do any other consistent racing at all? No.
Jon Kuhn: No. I've still not like. I've never really gotten into a groove with like races.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: I guess the, the eight hour race is the only thing I consistently do every year.
Okay. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Well also I feel like you're documenting a lot of them now. Yeah. So it's, yeah. The races that I
Jon Kuhn: would like to do, I'm like working at, you're
Ally Brettnacher: like, I'm working. So, which is
Jon Kuhn: like to, especially with Prairie, I'm like, I'm actually really glad I'm not doing this because that is crazy. Yeah. Like the, the objective is to run until your body quits.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Some people set mileage goals and a side note, like, don't do that. Don't set a mileage [00:39:00] goal. Just say, I'm going to run until I can anymore. You will hit the mileage goal, whatever it is in your brain, push that down and compete.
Ally Brettnacher: That's good advice. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: That's
Ally Brettnacher: really good advice
Jon Kuhn: once you hit it, like you can't psychologically overcome it.
Ally Brettnacher: That's probably very true.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It's like that. Yeah. The wall.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Don't limit yourself by setting up. Yeah. Once you
Jon Kuhn: said, all I need to do is 50 miles, which all you need to do. Yeah. Geez. But like going out for the next,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah. have you done a marathon? Not like a real, 'cause obviously you did 26.2 miles.
That's a real marathon. Yeah. But have you done like a road race marathon? No.
Jon Kuhn: No.
Ally Brettnacher: Will you ever?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Why not?
Ally Brettnacher: Sure.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: sometime.
Jon Kuhn: I don't ever want to miss a kid's sporting event. And, the one time I signed up for the monumental, they ended up bumping up, my son's football schedule. So I was like, I'm not gonna miss.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah,
Jon Kuhn: yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah. That's rough.
Jon Kuhn: So maybe that's my excuse. I'm also like frugal. so I'm like going to spend the money on a race, which I don't want to encourage people to not do that.
Ally Brettnacher: Right.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: But they're expensive.
Jon Kuhn: They are expensive. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Especially like a marathon, it's [00:40:00] like hundreds of dollars.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, the product of the millennial generation, it's like you have to monetize everything. So anytime I think about doing some kind of like run or whatever, I'm like, how can I do this on my own and make a story about it and like, put it together and put it out?
Ally Brettnacher: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
How I wanna talk about that creation side now for a minute.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Because you are really into history
Jon Kuhn: a little bit. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: A little bit fun. I wanna hear if you have some of your most favorite things that you've discovered, and like, so how does your, how do you come up with what you're creating about? Um, do you just like, randomly see something and like, I wanna know the history of where that came from or how does it work?
Jon Kuhn: that, that question is a bit loaded and it's changed over time. Mm-hmm. Because when I think about learning about history, I'm thinking about it from the perspective of like, how can I tell a story and market it to an audience on the internet?
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: like anecdotally right now I am working on a, project.
It's called, it'll, it's working title, but the, uh, the political history of school [00:41:00] launch. Ooh. And that came from, Ooh, talking about nostalgia bombs, because the way I tell stories on the internet, currently is I come up with something that I think will be a good thumbnail
Ally Brettnacher: mm-hmm.
Jon Kuhn: Or something that like will strike a nostalgia, uh, nerve with somebody.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then how do I reverse engineer from that? So, interesting when, when I, Alexis, said to me, I think, I'm pretty sure this was her idea. Most of my good ideas come from her. but she was like, rectangle pizza. And I was like, oh yeah. She just randomly said Rectangle pizza. I was like, yes. I was like, why did we all eat that?
So then I'm like, on Reddit and I find like a, a cookbook from 1988, the Quantity School Recipe Handbook put out by the, uh, US Department of Agriculture. Then I start trying to figure out that problem, and then I come across like something that has to do with like, the political history, and then I start pulling that thread and then I'm like interviewing historians and stuff.
And I just keep diving and diving and at some point I'm like, I have to stop and like put this into a package. Yeah. but part of the reason I like history now, and I [00:42:00] don't know, this is chicken, this is like a chicken or the, uh, the egg kind of scenario, but, um, right now I feel crazy about what's going on, in the country like politically.
, So I'm like, I want to know what's going on. And I like learning about, if you look back, if you look backwards, you can get a lot of answers about what's going on right now. And I think that's always been true. But for me, it's too hard to see the forest through the trees looking at what's happening currently.
And I don't know if that's a problem with like, the way that the media landscape is now because everyone has a voice and algorithms like 100% radicalize. You, I mean, I, I proved this with a project where I started a new YouTube account, did a VPN incognito mode. My computer knew nothing about me, and then I typed into a search bar, I am sad and lonely.
And then Jordan Peterson came up, and then within 10 videos I was being shown alt-right, like influencers. So that's part of what's going on right now. So I don't know if it's hard to figure out what's going on right now because of the media landscape or if that's just always been true. But if you look backwards, you can [00:43:00] see things that are similar.
You can see government corruption that is documented and you're like, oh, that must be happening now in some way because it was happening 25 years ago. And all of these public, , funded like, entities like, NPR, uh, advertising to kids that was deregulated, the food industry being like ripped apart and ultra processed food being allowed to like, infiltrate the school system.
Mm-hmm. People fought against that. And, we still have like work to do. Like if you're someone that thinks kids should have nutritious food and they shouldn't be aggressively marketed to, and you're someone that believes in like journalist and due process, that's been challenged time and time again.
And so far we've always won. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's. My understanding of everything I just said has come from me, like chasing things, , down. Like, why do we eat a rectangle pizza?
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Like why is that a thing? And then pulling the threads of culture and then realizing culture's influenced by politics and vice versa.
Ally Brettnacher: It's just, it's, it's wild. Yeah. Talk about like overthinking and getting like overwhelmed Yeah. About stuff. Makes me, I don't even know what I just said. I just
Jon Kuhn: went on a i acid trip. I just like flashback. You did you like
Ally Brettnacher: hold on the government, man.
Jon Kuhn: [00:44:00] Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: I mean, it's crazy shit right now. Just absolutely crazy.
And I don't, I don't like to think about it much, frankly. so I don't know where to go now. Um, okay, let's talk about. Let's talk about your dad. Yeah. Because then I also wanna talk about then your son Yeah. And what he just did. Yeah. And kind of weave that together.
because I've been thinking about interviewing my parents.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. You should just, and, and, yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: And then I saw what you did with your dad. I'm like, yeah, I really need to do that. And you, and I keep saying, oh, well maybe I'll do it like for his 70th birthday. We'll do, you know? And I'm like, why am I putting it off?
Jon Kuhn: Mm-hmm.
Ally Brettnacher: Because something could happen anytime.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So I wanna talk about how you made the decision to interview your dad. Mm-hmm. A little bit about your relationship with your parents. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, and then, you know, now looking at how you just ran 30, was he run 35 miles? Your kid? Yeah. My son. Yeah.
So anyway.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. [00:45:00] Real dad, biological dad excommunicated. I haven't talked to him for a long time. my, the dad, I think you're referencing mm-hmm. Is my stepfather. This is something I think about step parenting all the time because I started, well recently, I, I think about it all the time because I started calling my stepdad my dad when we found out he had cancer and it was gonna die.
So I was like, you know, he's like my dad now. So like when step parenting's hard for, uh, myself or Alexis, I'm like, this is the long game. We have to zoom out. Right? Yeah. Right. They will appreciate us after we're gone. Maybe we're lucky and we get to like, because the beautiful thing about my dad getting, uh, diagnosed with esophageal cancer and realizing it was late stage and then him going to hospice was, we got to be around him and go on this crazy journey with him.
Yeah. Honestly, a lot of parallels to, ultra marathons, specifically prayer on fire. 'cause everyone's like huddled up and you're watching someone go through the suffer fest. Albeit, my dad's wasn't gonna get a plaque. He was gonna, yeah. He
Ally Brettnacher: didn't pay money for it. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: I, no.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Well, he paid a lot of money.
I [00:46:00] mean, he bought, he bought a pack of cigarettes a day, every day for, you know, three decades and,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah. Yeah. Uh,
Jon Kuhn: but anyway, when we found out, that he was gonna transition, he was going to, lose his battle to cancer, which also, like, I don't like people saying lose the battle to cancer, because when he died, the cancer died.
So if anything, it's a draw.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah,
Jon Kuhn: yeah. Right. It's a Nor McDonald joke.
Ally Brettnacher: That's good. I've never heard that one.
Jon Kuhn: Uh, but when you heard about that, it kind of puts, uh, puts a deadline on it, which is a real good hack. Like, if you want to create something, give yourself a deadline.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: no pun intended.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh,
Jon Kuhn: but even then.
You know, there was like the, um, do I go and film him next week because he might have a year. Uh, and eventually I just, I, I don't know, like it the, something lined up and like he, he kept telling me to not worry about getting the recording done. He's like, you know, I have time. Like, that's not true. but it is just the way I think about stuff now.
Mm-hmm. And like, I'm leaning [00:47:00] into, like, I've so when we found out that he was diagnosed, it was just like an immediate decision. I was like, I have to document him at some point.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah,
Jon Kuhn: yeah. And
Ally Brettnacher: so like, how did you prepare yourself for that, like, in what you were going to document?
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so like, how did you prepare yourself for that, like, in what you were going to document? Because I feel like that's so hard to boil down into like an hour or two.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I think honestly. Alright, so think about like, how, how often you actually just sit and listen to your parents' story. There's always this like, there's always some like subtext, like it's Thanksgiving or there's something you're trying to figure out, or like.
You know, for, for better or worse, we all have some sort of trauma we're dealing with with our parents. Mm-hmm. Like, everyone's doing their best, but we all fuck up. We're all fallible. Yeah. Yeah. And I think even the best parents, you still have some, like, evolution you have to do with your, your family. Jack Kornfield, a uh, spiritual gangster.
Shout out Jack, Jack bringing the shout outs back. Jack has a, a famous line of his that says, if [00:49:00] you think you've, attained enlightenment, go back home for the weekend. Right? Mm-hmm. So it's like, the point of that is like, we all have stuff we're working through.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: So I don't think that most of us ever just like, listen to our parents, like, and, and let them be a person.
Right. Uh, it's like you're always looking at them through the lens of that is my dad. Right. But like, they are their own person.
Ally Brettnacher: Yes.
Jon Kuhn: so I kind of realized that going into it, and I was like, I just wanna hear about his story. His, like, there's a, and the history stuff too, right? Mm-hmm. I'm like, there's family history inside of him that none of us have heard.
Ally Brettnacher: Right.
Jon Kuhn: So I was just like, whatever he thinks is the most important. He'll just, he'll, he'll say to me,
Ally Brettnacher: yes.
Jon Kuhn: So we sat down and I was like, why am I interviewing you? And he is like, well, because I'm gonna die soon. And I was like, yes. But other than that, like, who are you? Tell me about your life. Yeah. And I just kind of like let him tell a story for an hour and a
Ally Brettnacher: half.
Yeah, yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. And if you sit down with any of your parents, just be like, tell me about your life.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Like starting at the beginning,
Ally Brettnacher: have you seen the product? oh gosh, what's it called? I think it's, is it story full or is it story? So [00:50:00] I bought this gift for my parents where they, I have, there's a set of questions.
They get emailed a question every week. Mm-hmm. And then they answer the question every week and then they put it into a book, which is super cool. Mm-hmm. So my parents did that. My mom did a much better job than my dad. Yeah. My dad was a slacker. I thought he was gonna be the one that would be really into it, but he was not.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: And so I have yet to like even read that.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Because I'm like, oh, like I'll read it. Oh, I should start reading it like one chapter, like before bed. But then I'm like, well gosh, if I don't read it while they're alive.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: How can I ask like, follow up questions to these stories? Yeah. Or like understand things that I won't get to understand when they're gone.
So it's just this like thing where I think about it a lot, which is,
Jon Kuhn: yeah, it's an investment in your future though. I mean,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah.
Jon Kuhn: I'm hyper aware when I journal and I've not been journaling a lot, but when I go through periods where I'm like simple, just like bullet journal, write a sense or two about what happened today.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: I'm very hyper aware that my kids will be, be reading this one day.
Ally Brettnacher: Right. Yeah. So I make sure
Jon Kuhn: to like write just crazy things in there and I just joking.
Ally Brettnacher: [00:51:00] Well, I think about that with the podcast. I'll write about how much they
Jon Kuhn: appreciate to me or, uh, uh, I, I know that someone's gonna find this. , And like, maybe you won't read the book now.
Maybe you should. I don't know. But like, it's for sure an investment in the future, right? Like, and there's things in there that. Are like priceless. And you won't be able, like, you won't be able to obtain, obtain that, or you wouldn't be able to if they were gone and you made that decision. Right. Right.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
So anyway, I need to have my dad on this podcast. Sure. And my mom, my mom doesn't run anymore, but she's the reason our family runs. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: So,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah. I find that so incredible that you did that. Do you have, is the extended interview anywhere? Do you have that? Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Just do you? Yeah. I, I, I haven't put it out.
Yeah. this is like, goes into the whole marketing and like, putting yourself on the internet thing. I'm like, no one really cares and not like in a mean way. Right.
Ally Brettnacher: But in a way that it's like that's, you know. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah. No, I see what you're saying. I've had
Jon Kuhn: a few friends be like, send me the link. I'm like, you're not gonna listen to the whole thing.
Yeah. So, um, I'm just trying to figure out like a way to, one, it's hard to listen to, but I'm just trying to figure out a way to like. Put it into something. Yeah. And [00:52:00] maybe I won't, but
Ally Brettnacher: Right. You don't have to. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. The, the full thing's out there, if you wanna listen to it and I'll send it to you, send it to me
Ally Brettnacher: for like, and I'll be like, yeah, you're right.
No, I'm,
Jon Kuhn: yeah. I'm like, what's the value of that piece of media for myself and my family? Obviously we get to listen to him talk for 90 minutes. Yeah. And, that can be a blessing and a curse. Um, yeah. But like the value at scale, , or broadly speaking, maybe the value is, , using that media to like, encourage people to record conversations with their parents.
Right. Yeah. And you don't need to make it perfect. Right. You just need to have it there.
Ally Brettnacher: I feel like you could have a business doing that. You could be like, listen, I'll do it. I'll interview your parents. Well,
Jon Kuhn: so like, I'm an entrepreneur and like, I like was the Lemonade, like Stan Kid when I had a band in high school.
Mm-hmm. I was the one that was like doing our merchandise and stuff. So I definitely thought about legacy videos. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm kind of melancholic anyway. Like, I love watching like really sad films and reading really sad books, and I don't like big fan of email music or whatever. so I'm like, yeah, I think I could torture myself [00:53:00] like that multiple times a week.
Just listening to people's like, end of life stories. Life stories. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Like especially end of life. That'd be, that would be brutal.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Then you get into this weird thing of like monetizing that or whatever, but like, oh, and then
Ally Brettnacher: that feels weird. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a
Jon Kuhn: hurdle for any creative endeavor.
Yeah. 'cause if you really care, it's like hard to like charge people for the thing that you would probably do for free anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is a good business idea though. Yeah. You should do it.
Ally Brettnacher: No,
Jon Kuhn: I, I don't like being ranny into here.
Ally Brettnacher: Sad. Oh my gosh. Yeah. No, I, I couldn't handle that.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: I, my emotions would not, I'd be like sobbing and trying to ask questions wouldn't go well.
Yeah. So then, okay, so now fast forward to your dad and a stepdad and. You just ran 35 miles with your son? Did you run with him? I ran, I ran 20
Jon Kuhn: ish miles. 20 ish? Yeah. I ran like 18 miles a day before at, uh, the Butler Endurance Race. My buddy Kyle, shout out to Kyle again. Shout out Kyle. Um, I didn't run Butler this year, for the first time in a few years, but I went out with my buddy and his goal was 30 miles.
, That would be a distance pr, but then the race got shut [00:54:00] down in the middle for like two hours. Because of weather? Yeah, the rain. So he was at 28 miles when they, they cut off the time because they didn't add time onto the race. It just became a six hour race. He ran past the finish line and ran another two miles after the clock stopped.
Yeah. To hit his personal goal.
Ally Brettnacher: That's cool. That's what I would've done. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. But I did that. I went out and, , hung out with him and like paced him. I just talked to him the whole time. Mm-hmm. And then the next day I ran with, uh, with my kid. I was, I don't think I could have done, I could have maybe done a 35, but I filmed a lot.
I'm gonna'. I'm gonna put something together
Ally Brettnacher: that's so cool with it.
Jon Kuhn: Maybe I'll incorporate some of the stuff from my, my stepdad's interview.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: I don't know.
Ally Brettnacher: I don't, well it still, it
Jon Kuhn: still feels too sensitive to touch.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah,
Jon Kuhn: yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So how did that come together?
Jon Kuhn: So, like I was saying, the Butler race, the eight hour endurance race where you just see how far you can run an eight hours, that was the day before my son ran 35 miles.
So like topic of conversation in the house. Dad, are you gonna do the race this year? Dad, what? What's your distance pr, what did, what's the best you've done on that race? And it was like a Thursday night and I said, 34 miles. And he said I [00:55:00] could do 35. I was like, you know when, like tomorrow? He's like, yeah, tomorrow.
and I said, all right, bet. And he's like, yeah, $100. He came up and like, was talking to a girl at the time, so he was like real confident.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Walked over and shook my hand and I was like, you're on the hook now. So I. tweeted about it. I didn't tweet. I posted in Reddit. I posted on a Facebook ultra running group.
I reached out to my friends at average. Athlete, shout out. Average athlete. Shout out Mary. Shout out Cody. Love you guys. I love you too. Yeah, they sponsored him with some gear. and then tj, shout out, dj, got him some, uh, Mount to Coast shoes. Oh yeah. And then Larry, shout out Larry Athletic Inex. Jake and everyone Quitter.
Uh, Luke. Yeah, Larry the quitter. I'm just kidding. Larry's, it's so funny you said it. Um, I did. I'm
Ally Brettnacher: sorry.
Jon Kuhn: So he started feeling the pressure, right? I I, and in our house, a, a big part of our conversation is like, if you say something, you should be about it. Like, and you don't have to say anything. Like if you say that you want to be the best on the golf team, then you need to put in that work, right?
[00:56:00] Because you're doing your, you dream. You are doing yourself a disservice if you say you want to be the best at a sport and you're not dedicating your life to it.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Just say, I wanna be average. Like being average that's fine. Is so hard. Just be like, I like this sport and I wanna put in a little bit of work, but I don't want it to control my life.
But like, if you're saying I want to be the best, then you, there are other people that will die to be the best and that's who you're competing with. Just like have an honest dialogue. That's because otherwise you're living in this constant, like, conflict with yourself, right? Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: So my son said his words and then he shook.
So I got people to sponsor him. I talked about it online to create some hype around it. Mm-hmm. Uh, we documented his journey and he told me he was making him feel nervous, but um, and I was like, it should, you said a big, crazy thing. So I gave him the eight hour cutoff. but I reached out to Cameron Balzer and asked him if he would help Malachi, because I was like, Cameron could do handstands and run backwards for 35 miles and eight hours.
I mean, literally. and the proudest parent moment I had was after he ran the 35 miles and [00:57:00] like seven and a half hours, he was on the phone talking to people. And people were congratulating him and every single time he made sure to say, I could not have done this alone.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. He's like, if Cam weren't there, if my dad weren't helping me, if it weren't for Alexis and everyone, and like family and friends were coming by.
Ally Brettnacher: That's so cool.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah. He recovered in like 36 hours. Of course he did. He's 15. Because he's 15. That's like,
Ally Brettnacher: so yeah. Well, now what for him, is he now like, oh, like I like this, or, uh, he's
Jon Kuhn: doing Premier on fire. Okay. So, but I don't know if he's gonna train for it at all.
Ally Brettnacher: Well, why would He's 15. He can run 35 miles in seven and a half hours.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh my gosh.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Well, that's cool. That'll be there. I'm really hoping to come spectate.
Jon Kuhn: He should. It's amazing. I
Ally Brettnacher: have always wanted to go. Yeah. And then watching your documentary Chasing 100, I was like, I need to be there.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Because it really gives a good picture of the environment. I've never been, so, I don't know.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So I gotta be there, you know?
Jon Kuhn: We can, we will talk about this off air. Ask me about that. Okay. Marketing. Okay. Marketing wise for you and Prairie, I think there's a, a fit there? Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah. I will try to remember to do that. [00:58:00] You're gonna have to remind me. Okay. , I'll forget. Yeah. So you also wanna run a hundred miles.
I
Jon Kuhn: wish I wouldn't have said
Ally Brettnacher: that. Yeah. So
Jon Kuhn: Yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: it's out there. It's on the internet. I found it. I
Jon Kuhn: know. Before 40. And how old
Ally Brettnacher: are you?
Jon Kuhn: 39.
Ally Brettnacher: Shoot. Me too. When's your birthday?
Jon Kuhn: Uh, December 29th.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. So you, I'm thinking about, so you're gonna be 40 this year?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I'm thinking about December 27th, starting a, , at like 8:00 AM
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: Alexis, I'm sorry I've not even ran this by you, but it's my birthday.
Ally Brettnacher: This episode won't come out for a little bit so you have time to just mention it.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I'll forget.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: And then one person will message me and be like, you're doing that. Right. But doing like something fundraising, I don't know. But like a a 24 hour race.
Okay. Where like the turnaround spot, the beginning and the end is like my garage and turning into like an aid station.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: Because that if I can do a hundred miles, then, then that's like before the wire, like under the gun because, , the average athlete post or whatever, where I said publicly, publicly, I wanted to do a hundred miles before 40.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: That must be where I saw it.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah.
Jon Kuhn: And that will be, [00:59:00] so December 29th is a birthday. December 27th. If I do that, it'll be cold, but it'd be fun.
Ally Brettnacher: Sure.
Jon Kuhn: It'd be fun. Fun. I know. Fun. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Woo. That's our idea of fun though.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: As runners. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: It's
Ally Brettnacher: like, it's not fun unless you're bleeding.
Yeah. gosh. Yeah. Okay. And so do you think, so your distance PR right now is still that 34 then? Yeah. That Malachi just,
Jon Kuhn: yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Beat. Yeah. That has to hurt a little.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. And
Ally Brettnacher: then, so now you're gonna go, are you gonna go straight to like December trying to do a hundred? What are you, are you gonna try to train?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah, I'm gonna train. that's. I don't, I have this weird relationship with training. It's like mostly intuitive. I jumped up, I've just been slowly jumping up. Like when I started running, my average weekly mileage was like anywhere between 10 and 15, sometimes up to 30.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: And right now I try to hit at least 50 miles a week, but like right now I'm like kind of feeling funky, so I'm like deloading a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah. Right now I'm trying to do like two weeks build and then like one week off, but like, I don't have a coach. [01:00:00] Yeah. Or whatever. Yeah. I try to do, like, I try to do zone 2, 45 minutes as much as possible and then try to do something where I'm doing like a speed workout once a week running until like, I, I almost puke or puke.
Do that once a week.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh no.
Jon Kuhn: And then do like a threshold where I'm like, you know, just like redlining for as long as possible. But then I, it is not, it's not super structured. Maybe that sounds structured. Maybe it doesn't. I think it depends on where you fall. Right. On like this spectrum of like. Much you pay attention to that stuff.
Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Well I feel like training is, it's intuitive in that obviously you need to increase your miles over time. Yeah. But I think that it's really counterintuitive. A lot of it. Mainly the go slow to go fast. Huge. Like having easy runs. Yeah. I never used to that. Yeah. When I first started running. That's huge's a huge thing.
I talk, talk people that all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you have to slow down to go fast, which makes no sense. It does make sense. Zone two. Yeah. Zone two. Yay. Oh my gosh. what is my next question gonna be? ' cause we're like, okay, no, I still have a little time. You have
Jon Kuhn: like a time limit on these things?
Ally Brettnacher: Not really. Okay. just my therapy [01:01:00] appointment.
Jon Kuhn: Ah.
you don't want to miss that after talking to me.
Ally Brettnacher: Right. I'm like, dude, this guy.
That'll be the teaser for the YouTube clip. Be like, let me tell you about this guy.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Just put it onto Instagram.
No context. Yeah. Context.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. That would be interesting. Do a cloud post.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. And you know, maybe that's what I need to finally make it.
Jon Kuhn: You've made it.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Yes. Yeah. For the 10 people that watch this video, we're
Jon Kuhn: here. You know, so there is a documentary, , called comedian about Jerry Seinfeld. After his show, he got rid of his hour, like he was doing the same jokes for a decade.
A lot of comedians will, year and a half, two years is kind of the, the lifecycle of, an hour of material. Some people do more, some people do less. Jerry Seinfeld didn't change his stuff for a decade. And then after his show, he was like, I need to write a brand new hour. Which is pretty crazy because you're going out and comedy is like one of the most like honest relationships you can have with an audience.
Because if you walk out and you're famous, they'll clap a little bit harder, they'll clap a little bit longer, maybe they'll stand up. But if you're not [01:02:00] funny, like people won't fake laugh, they can't do it. Maybe they will at first. 'cause they're like, is it gonna get good? It's Seinfeld. So you have to have the humility and the, the awareness of your ego and how much it's in the way.
And you have to overcome that to go out and like bomb. It's a crazy thing that comedians do. Like you're constantly, you work on stuff until it's so good and then you get rid of it and you start back over. So it's like really like respectable in that way. it's not like, you know, stacking their bricks like, like a marathon training over the course of a decade.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're always back at ground zero and you've got some tricks and tools and stuff. But anyway. Seinfeld top of his game, gets rid of everything. , And they're documenting this process. And then the protagonist is Seinfeld antagonist is , a guy named Orie Adams. He's kind of a, kind of a schmuck.
That's how they portray him in the edit. And he's got this real chip on his shoulder. He's been working really hard and he makes an okay living as a New York comedian. And he does like club circuits, but he's not become like a household name. Mm-hmm.
Ally Brettnacher: So he has
Jon Kuhn: this real, like, internal conflict of when I go to the high school reunion, everyone's got the white [01:03:00] picket fence and has a job and 4 0 1 Ks and his family.
And they're like, what are you doing with your life? Orie and Orny ISS telling Seinfeld this and Seinfeld's like, look man, like this is it. Like you have made it. And he tells 'em this story about, , the Glen Miller Band, and they're going to go perform somewhere and it's like dead winter. It's like middle of Nebraska.
And they're driving and the bus breaks down and they're sitting and they're waiting and they, they realize, the band realizes man. We're gonna have to walk 'cause we have a gig. We don't get paid if we don't go to the gig. So they start taking this, the, the, the, the path of least resistance, the straight line to the venue, to this town.
And they're walking through this field and it's like cold, it's wet, it's a little muddy. And then they walk up to this house and it's like a, , Thomas Concat painting, , beautiful little cabin, little plume of like smoke coming outta the chimney and the trumpet player and uh, the tuba player, they walk up and they look through the window and there's a family.
They're having a hot cocoa. It's like a warm and cozy all the feels. And the tuba [01:04:00] player looks at the trumpet player and they're like, so disgusting. And the tuba player is like, how do people live like that? Right? And they go to the show. So it's like, if you're gonna be in this thing, if you're gonna be a creator.
Like you're in it, right? Yeah. You've decided you can't live like the other people. So like you've made it and there'll be ups and downs the whole way, but like you just have to accept like you are the person outside of that. Yeah. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: That's really good too.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. You could be my therapist.
Jon Kuhn: No, no. You God.
Ally Brettnacher: Can you imagine Maybe
Jon Kuhn: for better help
Ally Brettnacher: for, yeah. There you go.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So what, I don't even
Jon Kuhn: know if Better Help is actually a bad company. I've just heard of videos. I have no idea. Yeah, yeah. No idea. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: , I just know that I need to be in front of a human being for sure. Yeah. Is that what they, I don't even know if that
Jon Kuhn: it's, um, it's all, it's all, uh, virtual telephonically.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Virtual. Yeah, that's what
Ally Brettnacher: I thought. , Okay, so for Prayer on Fire this year
Jon Kuhn: mm-hmm.
Ally Brettnacher: Malachi's doing it. Mm-hmm. What will you, what does that look like for you?
Jon Kuhn: What mean, and you mean tell people,
Ally Brettnacher: tell people what it is too, because I don't think we covered that. Prairie On
Jon Kuhn: Fire is a backyard Ultra.
, If you've not heard of a backyard ultra marathon, it's a, a last man standing or last [01:05:00] person standing. I don't know how I feel about calling it Last Man.
Ally Brettnacher: Right.
Jon Kuhn: Right. EHS generally referred to as a last man standing race. everyone lines up, uh, with Prairie On Fire specifically, you start at 8:00 AM everyone lines up, the gun goes off and then you have an hour to run 4.16 miles.
You get back to your, your spot and then you wait until the top of the next hour gun goes off. Everyone runs. If you don't get back in time or you don't feel like going, then you quit. And the race is over when everyone has quit. Mm-hmm. Except for one person. it's 4.16 miles because if you take a hundred and divide it by 24, 24 hours, you get 4.16 miles.
It's designed so that way every 24 hour cycle of the race a hundred miles is being achieved. Yeah. So, um, I think the record world record is like 498 miles, however many yards that translates to. but. The, the thing about the thing about that is that the first place person, they could only get to that mark if they have the second place [01:06:00] person with them.
After the second place person quits, you do one more yard and then you quit. Oh, right. I feel like it's so hard to explain this. That's
Ally Brettnacher: interesting. I didn't know that.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. So I makes sense. I don't, I don't wanna say Phil Gore, but I, Phil Gore is someone that's really good in that space. So like, let's say for example, he is the one with a record.
Mm-hmm. There is a second person that carried him the whole way,
Ally Brettnacher: which is wild.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. So it becomes like this team sport, which is like the through line of the chasing 100 documentary is that Yeah. It's, it's a team sport whether people realize it or not. Everyone's pushing each other and like people will sacrifice more for the greater good than they will for themselves.
Yeah. Yeah. It becomes this very beautiful microcosm of life.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So what I mean when I ask like, what's it gonna be like for you? Do you have, will you have a tent? For Malachi, do you go in like MTC spot? Oh man. Then are you gonna have, like, are you gonna run some with Malachi? Yeah. Do you like go into it planning or you just kinda like show up and be like, let's, I have
Jon Kuhn: a media strategy.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Uh,
Jon Kuhn: and I can't talk necessarily about what that is now, , because [01:07:00] we want to save the announcement for what? I don't know if it's a sequel, but what that will be. Okay. So there's a media initiative. I kind of just have my gear laid out on a table like me and plus for a chef. and then I just, I film and see what happens.
I'll have some people that I'm following. and since it's like a, a closed loop, it's pretty easy to keep track of people.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. And then with, uh, Malachi, I mean, he just said three days ago that he wanted to do it. He's like, I wanna do that race. And I was like, all right, text tj. And I was like, you're signed up.
He was like, oh. I was like, you said it, you said it, so you're doing it. And he's like, okay, it's wan. Yeah. You're
Ally Brettnacher: like, okay. I guess.
Jon Kuhn: He will probably hang out with that crew. I mean, I consider those people, um, they're like, they're family I guess, right at this point. Mm-hmm. So, uh, I want to integrate Malachi into it, my, my actual family as much as I can.
Yeah. So I think he'll be hanging out with that crew. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Him and Cam, I think it'll be interesting to see them interacting now, because I feel like, I mean, they spent eight hours together,
Ally Brettnacher: right?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. He was there when Malachi was absolutely broken.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It's interesting. And I
Jon Kuhn: don't, you know, I guess looking back it's like I don't know how many people I trust [01:08:00] to be with my son when he has moved his body for six hours, the 35 mile thing.
Malachi, my son had not ran one time in the last year. So it's like I don't trust a lot of people to be with him when he is completely broken six miles into a run. Right. But like, I, I knew Cam had him.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's
Jon Kuhn: a wild person.
Ally Brettnacher: He's a wild person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Wild and free,
Jon Kuhn: man.
Ally Brettnacher: I mean.
Totally.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: And okay, so when you run a hundred miles before turning 40 mm-hmm. Because you're going to, you said it. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: You're gonna come out and run too.
Ally Brettnacher: Sure.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: If I'm not somewhere warm Yeah. I usually try to go somewhere warm. Yeah. Around that time.
Jon Kuhn: That's right.
Ally Brettnacher: but if I'm here, I'm in, I said it, so, how will you celebrate that?
Jon Kuhn: Uh, I don't know. Uh, I'll probably like, make a video where I'll be like, I'm awesome. See, but then I'll be like, I don't like to celebrate, but then I'll celebrate in the most like grotesque, like possible.
Ally Brettnacher: by, with, with a cat?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. With a cat. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I just mean like, I, I, I say I don't like birthdays and stuff, but then I'll, I'll like, I'll put myself into like a, a mini documentary or [01:09:00] something.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I had not made a documentary about myself. That would be ridiculous. I don't know. I, I'll probably just hang out with my wife and like watch, like, the Christopher Nolan Batman series or something. There you go. Okay. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Woo.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Woo. Yeah. Okay.
Jon Kuhn: Probably won't wanna do much. Probably not.
Yeah. That's Even if I stack miles, I feel like I, yeah. It's gonna be hard.
Ally Brettnacher: Really hard.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I said it, so There it is. There you go.
Ally Brettnacher: I, well, I'm still not an ultra marathoner. Yeah. And after starting this podcast, I now want to do that, I think. Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Just do it Sunday,
Ally Brettnacher: right?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Um, no, thank you. you're fine.
Yeah. I, no, I'm gonna have my kids with, I'm bringing the girls. We're gonna, we're gonna cheer, we're gonna do some chalk art, like,
Jon Kuhn: oh wait. The Prairie? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait,
Ally Brettnacher: oh, wait. I said Sunday.
Jon Kuhn: What's today? Today is the 11th. Okay. Or the 12th. Oh yeah, the 12th. It's Tuesday. Right? I was saying just this Sunday, just go out six hours.
Just like go and do it. I was like, put
Ally Brettnacher: Sunday. And I was like, is it this sun? I'm like, wait a minute. What's today? Is it September? Yeah, September 6th. You just did that to me. I was
Jon Kuhn: sorry. No, I was just saying just randomly go out Sunday
Ally Brettnacher: and just run an ult [01:10:00] marathon. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jon Kuhn: Run it, walk it. That's what people do for the first one, right?
Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah. No, I think I'll, I think I'll do the full mo eventually.
Jon Kuhn: Okay.
Ally Brettnacher: Because that one to me is so approachable.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: And it's on the monan, which I love.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Some people don't like that. I love just like set it and forget it. Just run straight.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. I'll text TJ right after this and have him put you down.
Ally Brettnacher: He knows. He like Ally said, put it on. Yeah. Not for next year. I don't know. Well, I turned 40 next July. Yeah. So it'll be before I'm 40. Maybe I need to do it before I'm 40. Anyway, you're overthinking it. I don't know. Now I'm overthinking it. I'm like, how could we do this? So, okay. Now I'm gonna ask you the end of the podcast questions.
Jon Kuhn: Mm-hmm.
Ally Brettnacher: Do you remember what they are?
Jon Kuhn: No.
Ally Brettnacher: Excellent. So the first one is, what's your favorite? Running song and or mantra.
Jon Kuhn: I don't listen to music when I run unless I'm on a treadmill. Very rarely. Um, but like favorite mantra is Mood Follows Action. So Daddy Rich Thing.
Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.
Jon Kuhn: Right. I'm like, song. I'm like, I don't,
I'll tell [01:11:00] you, a very quick story about, uh, a recent experience with music and, uh, the catharsis and like running and spirituality and whatever. , , right after I found out Ozzy passed, my son, uh, his first concert was, black Sabbath. Uh, I took him when he was like seven or whatever. Oh
Ally Brettnacher: my
Jon Kuhn: God.
So I just put in headphones and, uh, I listened to, um, paranoid the whole way. I was like, I'm running until album's over and, um. You know, I'm a, I'm a softie, but like, I cried like most of that run off and on, so that's pretty cool.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Did you watch the show?
Jon Kuhn: Yeah, I'm actually rewatching the show right now.
Yeah. I never,
Ally Brettnacher: I didn't ever watch it really consistently.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So I've thought about where, can you watch it now?
Jon Kuhn: Uh, on, um, YouTube.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: yeah, and Ozzy like, so I've done some things that,
Ally Brettnacher: you know,
Jon Kuhn: I'm not proud of. a lot of stuff I've had to really work through the guilt of and shame of. and Ozzy also, has done some crazy shit.
and he still gave so much to the world. He was also, you can make this argument that like he got away with doing so much because he was like very wealthy and that's definitely something that you can't overlook. but he also was [01:12:00] someone that like kept loving and I feel like if he wasn't that person, not that many people would've shown up to his funeral because it's like, think about the reaction to Hulk Hogan dying.
Right. There's, there's been, there's been some pushback and animosity to that. There's been some like dark jokes that I've been seeing, at least in my algorithm. Yeah. And Ozzy has a crazy past, but he gave so much. And I personally, I've not seen a whole lot of like, you know, fuck that guy.
Ally Brettnacher: Right. No, I haven't either.
It's so, so
Jon Kuhn: that, that to me is just like, if I just keep giving and being of service, , I can, like, you know, it doesn't mean that what I have done in my past is okay, but I can let that go and I can, you know, have love for myself so that way I can keep giving love. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: What, and that's what I was
Jon Kuhn: thinking about when I was listening to, um, paranoid and crying on the, the Midland Trace
Ally Brettnacher: Iron Man.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: I, I think you've done such a good job of becoming somebody that your son can look up to, because undoubtedly that's easy to say.
Jon Kuhn: From the outside. It is easy, easy. You're not around me all the time, but I'm
Ally Brettnacher: not, but like you, from what I glean
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Even just [01:13:00] surface level. Mm-hmm. Like it's you. I mean, that's a lot of fricking work to change all the things that you did.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: And showing him that, like you say, it, it's actually a little, little bit
Jon Kuhn: of work to be a good person and consistently do
Ally Brettnacher: looking at me.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Anyway, sorry. Yeah. No. Anyway, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. You're welcome. That is so kind of you to say.
Ally Brettnacher: And then, okay. My second question is, what is your next finish line or milestone, which now I kind of already know.
You're gonna turn 40 this year. That's a big ass milestone.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: I'm next July, so I'm, yeah, I have some time to process
Jon Kuhn: that. And then I'm working on the Prairie on Fire, , doc for this year. Yeah. Okay. And I'm like, is it a sequel? I don't know if that's a sequel. So I'm thinking about that. and then I wanna keep growing, my YouTube channel and I wanna keep figuring out how to do that.
And, um, pie in the sky with that is that I have like a big enough presence that I can like start, Doing like a merch thing or whatever. Ooh, that'd be fun. where I sell like history t-shirts, and then like mm-hmm. The, the profits go towards like helping people, rehabilitate their lives after re-incarceration.
Yeah. Yeah. That's cool because that's like a, a company I work with. Yeah. Okay. Uh, Hank Green and Jon Green. Jon Green, [01:14:00] local legend.
Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.
Jon Kuhn: Uh, they have the Awesome Socks Club, and then they do coffee and stuff, and I, I can't remember what their profits go towards, but it's like their charity that they do.
Yeah. So I would, I would like to do that. That's like the next big like career milestone.
Ally Brettnacher: Right. That's cool. Yeah. I've actually thought a lot about that for myself. Mm-hmm. For the podcast, for Athlete Bouquets, it's like, I would so much rather just continue to just give Yeah. With that.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Because that's so meaningful to your point.
Like just
Jon Kuhn: Yeah. Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Sweet. We did this. We did. So thanks to everybody who listened. Thanks. Who made it to the Made it through. Shout out to you. Yeah. People.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: You know, the 10, the 10 of you. I'm just kidding.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: And happy running. That's how I always end. Happy running.
Jon Kuhn: Happy running.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Jon Kuhn: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: I hope it recorded.
Jon Kuhn: I do too.
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