Finish Lines & Milestones: Episode 120: Kate Broshears - Fellowship and Finish Lines

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Guest: Kate Broshears @kate_broshears

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Kate Broshears ⁠and I met after college 15 years ago! And I'm finally having her on this podcast.

During this episode, sponsored by ⁠Relay Active⁠, we talk about:

• ⁠The Orr Fellowship⁠ - it’s how we originally met after college (⁠Nate Spangle⁠ is also an Orr Fellow who has been on this podcast)

• How she started running and her student athlete experience

• Grad school and working what she thought was her dream job at the NCAA

• Her running community with Team Shorts and ⁠PBT⁠ 

• Qualifying for the Boston Marathon and her Boston experiences (she rode the bus with my dad at her first Boston!)

• Becoming a mom during COVID

• How ⁠Team Shorts made it into Runner’s World⁠ when they dressed up as former pro runner, ⁠Noah Droddy⁠, for Halloween one year (he ran at DePauw and was Kate’s brother’s roommate)

• Her gorgeous gray hair that I’m obsessed with

  Sponsor Details:

  -⁠ Relay Active⁠ - use code ALLYB for 15% off your first order

  - ⁠Athlete Bouquets ⁠- use code PODCAST for 10% off your order

Episode Transcript:

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): [00:00:00] This is a Sandy Boy Productions podcast.

Kate Broshears: Welcome

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): to Finish Lines and Milestones, a podcast for everyday runners. I'm your host, ally Brett Knocker, and if you run, you are a runner and every runner has a story. Join me every Friday as I share these stories and we cross finish lines and celebrate big milestones together.

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So excited at the front door holding their signs. It's the best. So keep those coming. Now. I know because across the country it'll literally be September. We'll still be having those, which is so much fun. It does feel really weird that here in Indiana, we're going back so early. There was actually a school district that went back at the end of July, which I feel like should be a crime.

That's nuts. [00:02:00] So my daughter, one of my daughters is in second grade now, and her sister is four, and she's in pre-K and will be going to kindergarten next year, which I know will be here in the blink of an eye. So for those of you who don't have kids, it's really nice when you go back to school. It's just the rhythm of a routine.

Again, summer is so much fun, but I was very ready to get back to being able to be more in control of my day to day. So for this week's conversation, I interviewed Kate, bro Shears, who I have known. Forget this. 15 years, ever since she graduated college. We were in a post-collegiate program together, which we'll tell you about.

It's an Indiana thing, so for non-locals, maybe there's something like that where you are. But we've known each other for over a decade. I've known Kate to be a runner since I've known her, and so I finally got to sit down with her. It was so much fun to catch up and hear about her journey into the sport.

We talk about her student athlete experience, how she went to [00:03:00] grad school and was working at what she thought was her dream job, but ended up in something different that she still does now. Her journey to qualifying for Boston, her community that she's found here locally with PBT and Matt Ebersol, and then kind of a sub-community within that community of team shorts.

Shout out team shorts who've had several others on this podcast, and we talk about her gray hair, how I love it so much how she became a mom during COVID. That probably helped give her some more gray hair, but I know that you're gonna enjoy this conversation with my longtime friend. Kate Brochures. Hey, brochures.

It's been a long time coming having you on this podcast. Oh, you're too kind. You know it. I mean, you're probably one of the best runners I know. Oh gosh. Who's been running for a really long time. Relatively speaking. Yeah. And so I'm so excited that you're here. Thanks so much for having me. Absolutely. So where to begin?

We know each other through an organization called the OR Fellowship. Do you wanna tell people what it is? Sure. I can take a pass. [00:04:00] So it's a two year postgraduate fellowship that takes new graduates and pairs them with high growth entrepreneurial companies here in Indianapolis and now also in Evansville for the first new chapter outside of Indie.

Oh, I didn't even know that. Yes. Brand new breaking news first. First cohort this year just started for Evansville. And so yeah, it's a really wonderful program that helps us gain business skills while also building a network of peers here in the city. And then also providing a lot of additional programming outside of.

Work to help bolster your, your skills overall. Yeah, so I was class of oh eight, which would make you oh nine 10. 10, 10. Yeah. I just went to, they had their alumni reunion, actually the Mark and Karen Hill reception last week, so I went to that as the 15 year class because they go off of when you started.

Oh. And so it was when we graduated college, so that was alarming. And it's been 15 years. Yeah. You're like, oh yeah, that's the math is nothing. Yep. And I am, [00:05:00] yeah, same. Yep. You know where we are. Exactly. What made you decide to do the OR fellowship? Good question. I had gotten an email from a woman named Katie Beach who had to email me like three times to say, Hey, you really should try to apply for this.

And so I knew that I was interested in coming back to Indianapolis. I'm from here originally. Okay. And so that was one draw. I think for me. I was an econ major as well and had worked at a summer camp all through college, so I feel like I knew I had. General business skills, but I didn't have a lot of practical skills that I had targeted what I would want to do.

Mm-hmm. And so what really appealed to me to, or was the chance to be paired with a company where they kind of knew that you were gonna go through the trial by fire of like mm-hmm. We see it as part of our job to help you learn and grow. Yep. And that I get to try out a lot of different things. And then the community aspect of, or having been on a team most of my life, my dad was a high school football coach, so grew up around [00:06:00] teams.

Mm-hmm. That orientation towards people and building community has always been really big part of my life. And so that kind of trifecta really caught my attention with, or Yeah. Yeah. I, it's funny for me, I, it's like I just heard about it from my parents. Right. Yeah. So you mentioned the Mark and Karen Hill event.

That's, those are my parents. And so they were highly involved in the OR fellowship. I remember my dad telling me about it. Not to try to recruit me, but just like, yeah. I was like, what is this? Yeah. That you do. And then when I was in school and didn't know what the heck I wanted to do after I graduated, it just seemed like, okay, this seems cool.

I don't know. Totally. I don't know what I'm gonna do. They're gonna give me a company and they'll help expose me to different parts of a business so that maybe I can figure out what I wanna do. Absolutely. For me, I think Aura was a good way to learn what I didn't wanna do too. Same, you know? Yeah. What was your host company?

So it was a company called Compendium Blog Wear. Oh, that's right. And yep. So we did blogging software kind of on the front end of the content marketing universe as many of the tech [00:07:00] companies in India at the time were. And yeah, so going in there, I was in product support, so we, oh my gosh.

Kate Broshears: We

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): people build their blog templates to match their websites and then troubleshot all of the issues with our platform.

So truly going in there, econ major camp counselor, everyone was like, oh yeah, H-T-M-L-S-E-O-C-S-S. I had no idea what anyone was saying, so it was incredibly humbling. But I am so incredibly grateful for that time and that experience, because I think it really taught me the, the importance of continued learning, the ability to ask questions.

Mm-hmm. And not admit or know that you can say, I don't know. Yeah. And have that be okay. And yeah, it, it was good.

Kate Broshears: good.

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): Also as someone who had mostly been good at the things I'd tried in life, it was really good to get that humble pie early on to be like, okay, no. Yeah, no, you have no idea what you're doing. I have no idea.

Yep. There's no other choice other than to learn how to learn again. Right. Uh, in this context. Well, and as we were setting up today, same thing. It's like you, [00:08:00] nobody ever knows. No one knows what they're doing. Nobody knows. They just pretend. Exactly. Just know. Great. So if you don't know what you're doing, just pretend you know what you're doing.

Just and ask for help and say you don't know too. Yeah. I mean, that's how you learn. All of that is good. A thousand percent. Yeah. So Katie Veach. Yeah. So she must've been in the class in between us. Yes. She was owning. Yep. And she's now out on the East Coast. Just that's, yeah. And then I was telling you that Nate Spanel Yeah.

Is the one who, he's helped me a ton with you. Oh, that's awesome. Gosh. He's like a social media aficionado. He's amazing. Video, audio aficionado. So he's helped me a ton in this new part of my career. He is. What class would he have been? He's a young guy. He is. I don't know. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Nobody.

Yep. I know math isn't gonna math well, but fun fact. I was his board member interview at DePauw. You were? I was. And I was telling someone actually on my run this morning, I mean as a board member, you do 30 plus interviews every year for the six years. Mm-hmm. On the board. So of course you remember some of them, but that's a lot of humans over the course.

That's a lot of humans. 40 minute interviews. But it's like, I remember Nate's interview like it was yesterday and I was [00:09:00] just like, this guy, he has so much energy and will outwork everyone. Yes. And it's been so fun to get to see the impact he's had on Indiana. For sure. And so for anybody who does not know Nate Spanel, he is part of New Shoe Day too.

He runs with you guys. Yep. But he has this platform called Get In.

Kate Broshears: Like I

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): I am for Indiana, and his podcast is amazing, and everything he's doing is so great. I love it. So we love you, Nate. If you listen to this, shout out. Shout out to you. And if you don't listen to it, I'll know because then you won't say anything about it and I'll know you didn't listen.

So when did you find the sport a running? Good question. I was, I guess, somewhat of a late bloomer to running. I ran track in high school, but I never really considered myself a runner that was, mm-hmm. My primary sports were volleyball and basketball, and so at the time it was like. This is a nice structured way to stay in shape.

So I ran hurdles because as a mostly sprint oriented athlete, it was like, well, I certainly can't run long distances and not do anything, so let do the [00:10:00] hurdles so I can jump over stuff. Oh my God. And then didn't run at all in college. Played volleyball there and did some cycling, but when I Did you play volleyball like collegiately?

Yeah, at DePaul. Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah, it was. It was a great experience. I was really appreciative to have the student athlete experience right. At DePauw, and I mean really the division three, any of the Division three schools, I feel like they do such a good job of blending that experience that you can perform at a high level, push yourself.

Yeah, have a team, but also, you know, I was really involved in my sorority and had a chance to ride little five, which DePauw has little five on the DePauw size scale, not the IU size scale. Right. Everybody doesn't know what that is. Very different. Yeah. Yes. Cycling races. So all that to say, when I was coming out of DePauw, having to exercise for myself for the first time ever, and then coaching volleyball in the evenings while I was in or fellowship.

My roommate at the time had been a cross country runner at DePauw, so she was waking up early to run. And so eventually I was like, [00:11:00] I guess I should just wake up with you and run before work because this is the only time I can do this. Mm-hmm. And so we started running, we lived on the old north side, so we would run down to the canal and it was like five miles exactly.

For us to go from our house around the canal and back. So I remember building up to that over time because I certainly didn't have that aerobic capacity or the legs still last for that long. That's crazy. Um, but getting to watch her run her first marathon, qualify for Boston, run Boston while we were roommates, like she was really the, the inspiration for me to start running.

Mm-hmm. So I owe a lot of it to Julie for dragging me along with her on those early runs. Yeah. Wow. And where did you go to high school? Sina Sina over in Irvington. Okay. Yeah. Wow, that's so nice to have somebody in your life like that, that you're just like, I'll just do what you're doing. Right. And now look, now look exactly on all the things you've done.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What was her first marathon? Oh, that is a great question. He ran, I know she [00:12:00] ran the, what is now the indie half, but when that was a full, oh yeah. When they had, I can't remember if that was her first one or if that was her second, but she definitely ran that while we were her roommates. And then I know she eventually ran Detroit

together

at the time, but Okay.

Yeah, I should know the answer to that. Well, I just pictured, you know, assuming totally Indianapolis, you like, oh, well, monumental is, I think she ran Monumental is the first for a lot of people. Yes. But yeah, the Fort Ben Race, which is now the Indie half owned by Beyond Monumental, who does the monumental, used to be a full marathon.

Yes. I have a friend that did that too. Yes. Back when it was a full as well. Exactly. And that was his first and only. Yeah. So, yeah. I was gonna say, I think they spent a lot of time on the tow path along Ball Creek for that part. You'd run out of the park and then run along. Yeah, I don't even, it was probably beautiful.

Yeah. Especially that time of it still is. Yeah. Really beautiful. So you watched her do this, you started tagging along on, you know, up to a five mile loop, and then at what point were you like, oh, I'll sign up for a race? Or [00:13:00] had you done races before? Not really. I, I'm trying to remember. I think it was monumental.

Half was my first half. Okay. And then the mini, the following spring. I should have checked that. But yes, monumental. And the mini were definitely my first two, two halves. And then when I moved away to grad school at Ohio University, we were in sports administration and I worked with the volleyball team there.

And so I traveled a lot in the fall with the team. But I always came back to run the Santa Hustle because it was like the thing that I could train for all semester. Yeah. And then come back home to indie over the break. And I've never done that one. Get to run that. That still exists, right? It does, yeah.

Yes. Yeah. And it, I feel like I have run it in shorts and I have run it in weather so cold that the snot froze my nose while we were just running. So it was even for a mid-December race, somehow those two extremes still existed. Yeah. Right. And I think that's what scares me away from it. But now you know [00:14:00] where I'm at now I can run and.

the cold. I mean, I have my treadmill, but then I still like to get out in the element because you just never know what race day will bring. Exactly. And if you're not prepared for it, then you never know what that's gonna do to your mental health. Really? Yes. Agree. So. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. So you did monumental mini, those are kind of rites of passage here for anybody locally.

I didn't realize you went to grad school in Ohio. Yeah. Yeah. And what did you study in grad school? It was a dual MBA and Master's in sports administration.

Kate Broshears: so

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): Wow. Yeah. In between or fellowship and grad school. I was fortunate enough to work at the NCAA as a postgraduate intern there in governance, and so, okay.

That really introduced me to the world at athletics and so for a while that I wanted to work in a collegiate environment, like as a coach. Probably not a coach, more as an administrator, but Okay. It was, I felt like if that was. My path. Eventually, I really wanted to work with a team and get to know the inner workings of that from the admin side.

That's smart. Before ever, it's really smart. Sitting in that chair. Mm-hmm. From the [00:15:00] administrative side. Yeah. So worked closely with two different coaching staffs. There was actually a transition in between my two years of grad school of coaching staff. So that was weird to go from being like, I'm just the young grad school kid here helping out to being like, oh, now I'm like the second longest tenured person who was affiliated with this team right now.

So welcome please. I'll help you get acclimated to Athens. Oh yeah. But it was cool. It was a great experience. That's cool. That's really cool. So you studied that with the intention of perhaps going into administration in college sports. What did you end up doing then from there? Yeah. How did your career progress?

So I came back after graduation. Uh, my husband was here. Okay. Uh, the whole time I was in grad school. We actually got married the summer in between my two years of job school and then spent our first year of marriage apart. Would not recommend that necessarily, but it worked because we were already apart.

Okay. Um, initially we thought he'd moved to Athens, so I give us a little bit of a break on that. Yeah. Um, so I came back to Indie and worked at the NCA again in governance. Okay. And was there working in, you know, the job I [00:16:00] thought was my dream job and actually another, or fellow Sally Riesner and I were out to dinner one day and catching up.

She was like, Hey, so I know you're in this incredible job that you are so excited about, but there's something pretty exciting getting ready to start up here at the Central Indiana Corporate Partnership with a really compelling set of leaders. And I know you care so much about this community, you should have a conversation.

I was like, I am not looking for a job. Clearly. I'm excited about what I'm doing. So anyway, went to the lunch and was instantly convicted by the vision that Jason Clothe and Stephanie both in were painting for what became Ascend in Vienna. So really looking to help connect people to internships and jobs here in the community and bring economic opportunity for all.

So left my dream job at the NCAA to go join that as employee number five. So I think the bore entrepreneurial fellowship nature really came in to say, Hey, the, the opportunity to build and especially build toward impact was really two deal to turn down. [00:17:00] Oh, and then you did that for quite a while. Yeah.

Eight and a half years. Geez. Years. Yeah. That's so cool. Congratulations on such an incredible, thank you. Run there. And now you work with Jason and you guys are doing your own thing. We are, yeah. Which is so cool. Which I just found out and I realized, I was like, holy crap. Not know that. Yeah. We've been at it.

He's been at it probably a year and some change. Okay. And I joined last September. Last September. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. So all this time that you're working NCAA. Yeah. How does running weave into your day to day and like your lifestyle? Yeah. And where and when did you meet Neil? We met in college.

Okay. So we met funnily enough through little five. So our sorority always has our sophomores ride, so that way every person in the sorority has a chance to ride if they want, and to be on the team. Okay. And normally the juniors coach, the sophomores, but the girls the year ahead of us were. They were like, we're done with cycling.

We had a terrible experience. We are not going to help. And so Neil and his best friend were in the cycling [00:18:00] fraternity at DePauw. And so, you know, shockingly agreed to come coach sorority women in cycling. So I guess it's limited, I guess, right? They can be tasked with that terrible, terrible task. So yes, that's how we met and then started dating about almost a year later from that.

Oh, that's cool. That's so that is a great story. I like that. Yeah. But yeah, running I feel like has been such a constant in my life throughout all of those changes and really is something that. I found, I mean, I think as it is for many, it's like, it's so grounding in my day to day rhythms, like being outside, being with community and community with friends serves so many purposes.

Mm-hmm. Not just fitness and moving my body and doing something hard first thing in the morning is always something that I think I have found helpful in facing the day. It's like, no, we, we've eaten the frog. Like I know there's that Eat the frog fitness. Or whenever I used to go to that, I'm like, yes, I understand that.

This is why I like being out there. You know, my, my standard running time is usually sometimes starting around five [00:19:00] 30 or as many of the folks on the morning text thread. No, 5 32 because I am always two minutes late to that. You would think I know how far our meeting spot is from my house by this point, but I do not.

So well let they know. So it's just like they know. Right. Exactly. At five 30, we'll meet at 5 32. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's been something too that I've always found helpful. To have like the goal to chase. Whether that, and now the goals have changed over time, of course, but having the goal to be building towards in the fitness side of my life has always helped me in my personal and professional lives too.

I feel like I show up better as a wife, as a mom, as an employee, as a leader, if I have those kind of personal to me goals. Yeah. That I'm able to be fulfilling for running. Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree with that more. Yeah. It's, you know, it's like, do you, I don't run. Yeah. Oh, like nobody really would wanna be around.

No, no. I have to run. Yes. Agree. That's such a big part of Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Agreed. Really. [00:20:00] For sure. Everything works better. Yeah, it does. So, okay, so you talk about community and this is a good time to talk about PBT and team. Absolutely. Shorts. Yeah. Shout out team shorts. So for people who don't know PBT, will you tell people what that is?

Yeah. And then also how you ended up finding it. Yeah. So PBT is personal best training run by Matt Ebersol, and it's a training group here in Indie. He coaches athletes who are just beginning in their running journeys to athletes who are qualifying for the Olympic trials. Mm-hmm. And so it's really neat to see that many folks with differing levels of experiences all out there chasing goals together.

So I, my first marathon that I trained for, I mostly trained through indie runners and their Saturday runs. Okay. And how did you find out about Indie runners? Do you remember? I, through Julie, actually, my former roommate. Okay. Of course. So she had trained a lot with them. And so when I came back here after grad school and was like, okay, I think it's gonna be time to attempt a marathon, I joined Indie Runners and then through Indie runners got to know all about, you know, the many different [00:21:00] amazing running groups here locally.

I feel like we're so fortunate to have that and so started joining PBT to add in kind of Tuesday workouts in Broad Ripple to add in some speed work back when I had time pre-children going out to the Eagle Creek, um, Saturday runs. Mm-hmm. Um, and so that really, I feel like helped me. That was the first time I would say I took running seriously, sounds weird to say when you've run a marathon beforehand, but that was the like, oh, now I'm gonna go and try and run faster, faster and see how much I can push myself, not just from a distance perspective.

Mm-hmm. And so getting to work with Matt and the. Tee runners was really impactful then. Yeah. Well I feel like, okay, so you did track like in high school? Yeah. Yep. And then you're a collegiate athlete, so obviously that competitive spirit's there for sure. And so at what point, like with PBT or wherever, did you figure out that you're like, I am.

Like I could, I could go chase a Boston qualifier. I am pretty good at this. Like did you ever have that, [00:22:00] like an aha moment? Hmm. I don't know if there was specifically one, but I do think that it was as just getting used to the workouts and feeling like so much of running, which I love, is you're competing against yourself.

Thousand. And so yes, the times where it was like, oh, I've done this workout before, these steady states before or this, you know, speed work and now it's feeling different or harder, or I can push faster. Those were the times where it's like, okay, like we can start to actually chip away at. The time goal more so than before.

So yeah, I think it was mostly against myself, less the other folks. But certainly the ability to chase other people while you're training is like, I can't even imagine not. Yeah. Having, having that community, yeah. Folks who are solo runners most of the time I have so much respect for, 'cause I'm like, I need my people to get me out of bed.

I need them to hold me accountable. I need them to push me in workouts. Yeah. Otherwise, I, it is so much harder. You make a really good point. [00:23:00] I'm a solo runner like most of the time, probably 98% of the time I do Friday runs now. Yeah. Uh, with my friend Becky Riley and then my running coach and Rachel Senders and my friend Chrisy d have occasionally started joining those.

We've gotten Renee Seger out there once, my friend Max from Fishers. Anyway, that is like the only time I really would run with somebody else. And you know, I, that's part of the reason why having a coach for me is so helpful. Absolutely. Is because of what you've described. It's like, well, I need somebody to hold me accountable.

I mean, I'm gonna get it done, but it's nice to have somebody else kind of care Yeah. About that. Yes. Abs I could see how like, if you're on a track, people who are faster than you Oh yeah. And all that, like how that would really help too. Yeah. That would probably help me a ton. Frankly. Those were always my favorite PBT workouts.

Yeah. 'cause every, you know, if you're out doing steady states, such like people are all over the monan at different points. Mm-hmm. And like you'd cheer when you would pass people, but the track days were always my favorite because it's like everyone is amped up for everyone in one spot. [00:24:00] Yeah. And my volleyball self really comes out in those moments.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. What are some highlights from your volleyball days in college? Because, oh gosh, that's a whole thing in and of itself is like being a college athlete, having that experience position wise. Yeah. What were you I played back row, so I was an outside hitter in high school and then transitioned to mostly playing left back in high school.

Okay. Or in college. So yeah, I would say, I mean less college, but in high school, my team at Sina, we had a really special group of girls who were, we had seven of us that were all freshmen together that then went through Oh, that's cool. The four years. And so we all, I think alongside our coaches, Brian Hawkins and Steve Ward, really like that was one of the first times as an athlete, it was like, here's our goal.

We're gonna work our butts off for it for four years to try to make it to state. And so we had Muncy Burris in our regional who at the time they had won every class two a state [00:25:00] championships since. We had gone to class volleyball, which was, you know, many, many, many years Yeah. Prior to us being there.

And so we were lucky enough to win sectionals, I think three times my sophomore through senior year. So then we made it to regionals. And the first couple years it's like, we just got like wiped off the floor by, uh, Burris. And then we, my senior year, we made it and almost beat them. We lost 11 to 15.

That's, and it was so devastating. That's like a movie, right? You're like hoping together. You so think it will be there. And then it's like, and we sell just short. But like, that really lit me up to try to continue to pursue sports. Mm-hmm. And I think that was, you know, something that it was just such a foundational time for me as a person and for me as a competitor, that that made me believe that I could play collegiately.

And so that was when I was lucky enough to land at DePaul. And I think, and is that what ultimately what [00:26:00] landed you at DePauw was because you could play volleyball there? Yes. Yeah. So when I was looking at schools, I had looked at like, here's the schools that I would go to if I didn't play. Mm-hmm. Sports.

And then I had several that I had made visits to, to go play volleyball and then ultimately chose DePauw because I felt like the best mix for me in terms of strong academics and strong athletics. Mm-hmm. And so that was, yeah, my path out to Green Castle and yeah. Highlights, collegiately. I mean, I guess a, a low light that turned into a good highlight was, you know, our first tournament weekend, we had, I think

Kate Broshears: 17

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): on the roster.

And so in the format that we played, we played four matches on a weekend. Okay. Every other person played in a match over the course of four, four matches. And I played, not at all. So I was the only person on the team that didn't play. And so that is brutal. Right. It was really brutal. It was one of those like, okay, here we are in college, like we are no longer one of the [00:27:00] better people on the team.

And I just remember my coach coming up to me afterwards and being like, Hey, you know, keep working. You'll, you'll find your spot on the team. And you know, I did and ultimately ended up starting by the end of the year. And so I think that again, like that humility and just knowing you've gotta put in the work and keep showing up and really put the attitude first.

It's like, it is not about me, it's about the team. So if I can push my teammates to be better through how I show up, if I can be the best bench player there is and helping, you know, know where the block is, if I can help them understand the servers patterns mm-hmm. What, you know, whatever ways I can help.

And contribute that will help them. And ultimately, you know, as I keep working, then I can end up playing. So that really led to then starting all through college and being named the captain my senior year. And we had a, we had a fun time as a team and yeah, and we also played in the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference.

So I guess a fun fact is that De Paws not south. I was like, um, green Castle. So we traveled a lot more than most Division III [00:28:00] conferences did. So we got to go down to Mississippi, to Atlanta, to San Antonio. There were three schools in Texas and then Colorado College in Colorado Springs is the only division three school in the mountain time.

And so they were in our conference, so we got to go out and play in Colorado Springs my senior year, which was, that's cool. Again, just something that not many division three student athletes get a chance to do to have that level of travel that we did. But it was, you know, led to a lot of great team bonding and we got to play strong.

That is really cool. Now I'm picturing people on the other side like, oh my gosh, we have to go to Greencastle Indiana. I know. We were like, everyone else has to hate this. Everyone else is like, this sucks. And you're like, we get to, we get to go anywhere else. Totally. Yeah, totally. Obviously you and I both love Indiana.

Yes. So no shade. Absolutely. Right. Exactly. But I know how people outside of Indiana feel about it before they come here, before they come here. Agreed. Before. So if anybody's listening who's not local. Yes. Yes. Like, yeah, just come here and then you can come here and visit, talk about it if you want. Ask all the people, but people will surprise you.

[00:29:00] Agreed. Ask everybody who was here for the WNBA Allstar weekend. Right. 'cause that looked incredible. It really did look incredible. And I can't help, as you're describing, like being the best bench player. I can't help but think about the Pacers too and like how that all unfolded. Yes. And how we all like.

Prayed for that movie moment. I know. And it really still was, frankly, but Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Doesn't always end the way you want it to. Exactly. Yeah. Which is, you know, a good lesson. So we're going back and forth, which is good because that's a volleyball pun. We'll, we're just gonna go back and forth here, but I wanna go back to PBT because of Team Shorts.

'cause we didn't really dig into that. Yeah. So I'm trying to think, I know Trina Rabu has been on this show, but I'm trying to think of any other, who else was Team Shorts? Have you had Kelby? Yes. That's who, yes. Kelby. Yep. And so there's like this group within the group, and so from your point of view Yeah.

Tell us about, yeah. Team shorts and how you became part of that. Absolutely. Yeah. So Team Schwartz is a group of women who really started out by chasing Boston qualifiers. That was kind of how the group originally formed was a [00:30:00] group who had qual wanted to qualify for Boston. So they trained and raced together to achieve those BQs.

Mm-hmm. And then. Were able to qualify for Boston. So then they trained for the following years, Boston together. Okay. Oh, so, so then it Eileen core Yes, too. Okay. Yes. I can't forget you, Eileen. And so then it, then it just grew over time. Yeah. Uh, in terms of, you know, as other people would come to PBT or Indie runners and if they were, you know, if a woman chasing a Boston qualifier, that was oftentimes like how we kind of found each other.

And so as it evolved that we, we always joked, it's like, oh, our running friends became our real friends over time. Yeah.

Kate Broshears: Yeah.

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): Because now, you know, we're really focused on setting big goals and chasing those down and beating yesterday's best both life and in running. Right. And now that I've been a part of the group for about 10 years, you know, it's like I look back and we've had so many babies born.

We've had big new jobs, we've had devastating losses. We've had, you know, amazing prs that people have set. [00:31:00] We've had races where we. Did not reach our goals, and we're just brutal. And so it's been really just incredible to experience life with that group people over time, because been really, I mean, what a roller coaster, but they've made it so much better along the way.

Yeah. So amazing. Yeah. And to like, did you travel out to Boston together? Yeah. Have you? Okay. And how many times have you run Boston? Three. Okay. And let's go back to, because I can't, we can't skip talking about how you ended up qualifying. Yeah. Yes. So what was that journey like for you? Qualifying? Yeah.

So I ran my first marathon almost a decade ago, so fall of 2015. Okay. Also inspired by Julie, my roommate. She's getting lots of shout outs. She also now has her own running coaching business out of Bloomington. Oh, she does. So if anyone is looking, uh, she is a fantastic runner and an even better human being, but she.

At the time was living in Michigan, and so she had run the Detroit Marathon and thought that would be a really good [00:32:00] first marathon for me to tackle. So went up there with her and in that one the half mirrors the full for the first 13 miles. Yep. And so she, those are so tricky though. I know. But it's nice you to make pacing.

I was gonna say it is a blessing and a curse. Yeah. But, so she ran with me for the first 13 miles of the race. And that is a, an incredible race if folks haven't done it because you're running over the Ambassador Bridge into Canada. So cool. As the sunrise is happening and it's just beautiful and then you actually run back under ground through the tunnel, so you run a mile under the river.

Um, and so was lucky enough to qualify by the skin of my teeth there at Detroit. Quantify skin of your teeth. Um, like seconds. It wasn't, it was probably like two minutes by that point. Okay. Which in, especially in recent terms. Would never, not have ever even worked. Yeah. But so great. Uh, but it worked, it did for that time, so we are very grateful.

Yeah. Um, so yeah, I think it was like a 3 33 and some change. I think 3 35 [00:33:00] was my qualifier at the time and so that, that got me hooked. And then I, how I found Team Shorts, so to kind of tie that in is that I started coaching a grade school track team as an assistant coach through our church. And that's how I met Sarah Bustani, who was part of Team Shorts.

So she was the one that connected me in Ooh. Both with PBT and Team Shorts, so. Gotcha. Trina and I were actually talking this morning because the first PBT session I ever went to, Sarah wasn't able to be there and she was like, go find Trina. Trina will take care of you. And if that does not describe Trina Outer Bush, I don't know what, because I couldn't agree more about that Trina, that Trina takes care of everyone.

Yeah. It's just the best hearted human. Yes. And so that, that was how I found team shorts and then started to train for fall marathons, and then ultimately my first Boston. Yeah, with them. And what year was your first Boston? That would've been 2017. Okay. 2017. 2017. So how many people did you go? Tell us the whole story.

Yeah, so that race, there were I think three or [00:34:00] four of us who were running, but at that point we were all kind of. New to e newer to each other. Mm-hmm. More running friends than real friends. Hey, I know how that goes. Totally. Yes. And so it was, you know, we trained together a little, but really once we got out there, we all had our own families and other things that were going on.

Mm-hmm. So we saw each other a little bit at the expo or beforehand. And team shorts does big sendoff every year for the group who was going to Boston. Oh, that cool. So that's cool. I didn't know that. Yes, that I got the athlete bouquet several times for that group over time. Okay. That's sport. Thank you.

Um, and so we were able to meet up out there, but my, my whole family came, my mother-in-law, sister-in-law, my brother, my parents, my best friend flew out and surprised me in Boston. So it was a really incredible first time there. Where did she surprise you at dinner the night before? Oh yeah. That's fun. I was thinking like on the course, like, yeah, that would've been wild.

Am I hallucinating? How could I see you out of all of those people? Right. That too. Right.

Kate Broshears: That too. Right.[00:35:00]

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): So, yeah. And that day ended up being, I am a. Excessively sweaty human being. So heat running is like not my jam at all.

Kate Broshears: I, I don't

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): I, I don't wanna be there. So it was like 75 and sunny that day. And so I was so nervous about that.

And the Hills, I mean, training for Boston takes a certain set of finding the hills here in Indiana. Totally. Especially on the north side of town. And so I got the chance to ride on the bus out to Huffington with your dad, which was, we had known each other through our fellowship and then he was the current chair of the board at Ascend.

So knew that I was, yeah, so funny. I was the first timer and didn't know anyone else. And I remember him sending me a text me like, Hey, if you wanna ride out together, I was like, that would be amazing. And so having him there who has run Boston, who has run many marathons, whereas I was still very new in my marathon running experience, was so grounding and calmed me so much more than I, I would've just spent that whole time freaking out.

And instead it was like, okay, we can do this. He's probably asking you [00:36:00] about work the whole time. If I know my father. Only a little. Only a little. So we mostly talked running and Boston. So yeah, that's,

Kate Broshears: yeah, it's

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): it's on all the other things. Okay, so now I'm sitting on the bus of the board board member. From the company I work for.

Yes. And I'm answering questions. Hope you know it's real. It's in the morning. Right? Exactly. Yes. I'm stressing out about other things. Right. That need to be stressing about. Well, good, good distraction. Yeah, for sure. Yes. No, that's so great. I loved that so much. Yeah. Yeah. It was, I, he will always have like such a special place in my running story because of that generosity.

Yeah. Especially the, yeah, the first one. First one, yeah. And then how did your first Boston go? The race? Yeah. It was, it went surprisingly well for it being that hot. I did the, you know, ignoring the advice of the no new things on race day and took several of those like salt tablets. Yeah. Because I was like, this is gonna be brutally awful, but was able to like stay cool.

There were a couple places on the course that I vividly remember had the fire or had. Fire hydrants open. And those literally saved me. It [00:37:00] was like, stick your whole face in. It ran right through all of it. Did They just have the whole, the whole thing was just open. Oh, wow. And so it, like, I mean it's cold water, so you hit it and it's like, I still remember it like shocked me back to life and at mile like 19 and it was like, okay, we, we can make it the rest of the way.

Yeah. Um, so I did run a PR that day, which is still wild to me. It was like three 30 and some change. Okay. That's insane. Which was nuts. A couple of my friends ended up in the med tent because Yeah, that beat, it was unexpected. Especially when I think we had run in like full winter gear the week before here.

Right. So it's like you're going from training in 30, that's really hard to running in 75. Um. So it was, but I mean, Boston lives up to the billing, like the people crowds, the everyone wearing their jackets from the different years and just the excitement of a, I mean this a city the size of Boston, to have that feeling be so palpable everywhere you're going Yeah.

In that weekend, [00:38:00] it, it's pretty incredible. Yeah. It's, I am on the road to getting to Boston and it's like, man, should I go before I run? Right. Because people have been like, oh, hey. Like if I am my friend Ashley Haynes, like she qualified but didn't get the big enough buffer, which is ring, but she's like, Hey, if I go, if I go, would you come?

Yeah. And I'm like, well, I would love to go, yeah. And be in Boston for Boston. But then at the same time, like, I don't know, would it be more more motivating to be out there and see it and be like, I need to get here? Or is it like a surprise that you need to enjoy when you're running? I mean that's just like an open-ended question for anybody who wants to weigh in on that.

Yes, I'd be curious other people's takes. 'cause I've gone once if not twice, to cheer. Okay. And I loved it, but that's also after I ran it. Right. So I don't have the good answer as to whether that would ruin it. I don't think it would. I don't, I think it would not, I mean ruin it's people who love running and nerd out over running Uhhuh the whole weekend is just [00:39:00] running paradise.

Yeah. And so nerd paradise. So I think it would be hard to say it wouldn't, that it would ruin anything. I think you would just have the lay of the land better for when you're there trying to plan all the logistics when you're like, now I actually care about the race. Right. Um, you already know kind of what the rhythm of the weekend looks like, but it's a wild course to spectate too.

I can only imagine. I think spectating is harder than running. I really do kind of believe that, frankly, especially if there's kids involved. Yes. I don't know how anybody does that. No, I leave my kids expect Yeah. Yeah. Like, no, Carly Stewart and I have joked about that, where it's like, yes, it's harder to do that than it is to just be on your own.

Yes. And just responsible for yourself. Putting one foot in front of the other. Yeah. Like that feels really easy after you drag kids all over the place. Yes. That's very true. Yeah. For sure. And then, so you ran a PR at your first Boston. Yes. And so that got you back to Boston for requalified. Yeah, 2018 for the next year.

Yeah. Which is the DES year. Yes, the DES year. And there was a huge group from Team Shorts [00:40:00] that went out for that. I mean, it was probably 10 to 12 of us. That's awesome. That went and so at that point, like my family stayed home. It was just like the girls weekend trip. Mm-hmm. Um, plus Erin Spring Getti, who was our addition from PBT World.

And so yeah, we had such a great weekend out there and Oh my goodness, that weather was wild. Yeah. I, I really hate that for anybody who's like, that's their Boston. That's their Boston, yeah, it is. I mean, when we went to Athletes Village, just it looked like what I would imagine a disaster to look like.

Like just the level of all the discarded clothing because everyone brought a change of clothes because you got soaked as soon as you walked out there. And so we were changing shoes, changing clothes. All of us were, I think there were probably six or seven of us that were on the same bus to go out. Um, and so amid all of us trying to change into dry clothes, heavy emphasis on the air quotes.

[00:41:00] Air, yeah, air, air.

Kate Broshears: quotes.

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): We missed our wave start. And so we literally walked up and we're like, alright, well I guess we just start running now. And so that was a whole experience of trying to then weave through the wave start, or once everyone had already started. Yeah, we had to, yeah. Past the folks who were towards, like, where we wouldn't have been slated corral wise.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, and trying to get over the like panic, but luckily having all of us there I think helped. Yeah. Um, but yeah, we, I mean the wind, the rain, the sleet. There was at one point, I think it was probably mile 11 or so, where my forearms were just so frozen that I ended up running behind Nita Brooks.

She let me draft off her for a solid two to three miles, and I still maintained, she is pretty much the only reason I survived that race. Uh, but then we, as we got further on, we were asking [00:42:00] people who won and we heard, I remember hearing, oh, that's cool. That de won. And it was like, this is incredible. Of course, Des Race, oh my gosh, I like Goose.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that one was such a special race and just brutal from a conditions perspective. I mean, yeah. And so at the end, yeah. Did they have, what did they have? Did they have like chicken broth, like anything to like, bring you back to life right away? Or is it just like the ponchos and they're like, no luck, just the ponchos.

I, I mean, truly You stopped and it, I got so cold so fast, I can't even imagine because I, and you're just chattering. And so I was like, it makes me wanna like shake just thinking about that. Agreed. And so we were all shaking and I finished within a couple minutes of some of the women I had started with.

And, but we didn't finish together, so we all were making our way to go pick up our bags. Yeah. Right. And were, because in the utter chaos, because everyone is freezing, they weren't, there was no formal like, oh, give us your bib number and we'll hand you your bag. All the [00:43:00] runners were just back in there. Oh yeah.

Pulling their, their bags out. And so there was a nightmare. Oh my gosh. I mean, logistically as a operations person, I'm like, I can't, oh, that hurts me so bad. Yeah. But there was someone who was like, I need, I, I like need to sit down. I need to sit down.

Kate Broshears: and.

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): I turned to help them to be like, Hey, like let's get you medical.

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Kate Broshears: oh.

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): Of course, it's like the Indiana people who are like, oh, we'll assist you here. Right? We're here to help paramedic. And so somehow we all ended up convening in the gear tent afterwards, trying to like help each other peel off all of our soaking wet freezing clothes to put on somewhat warmish clothes.

Right. Where it's like those have been sitting outside in a bag. So Yes. There they're dry. Yes, exactly. For now. For now. And then you relayed your poncho over that Oh yeah. To help. Oh wow. They did have like actual like thicker ponchos that year than just the like standard thin one. That's good. I was thinking about the only time I've ever done gear check Yeah.

Was in North Dakota. And I guess they did it differently that year because people, I was like, what the hell is this? This race has been around. Like what are we doing here? And it wasn't really to do with [00:45:00] weather at all. It was just like they start inside the Superdome. Oh wow. And they finish in there. And that's where you go get your stuff.

It was the same thing, like people were having such a hard time finding people's bags. Oh God, that runners were waiting for so long that I eventually ended up back there searching for my own bag. Oh my gosh. I almost left. Yeah. Without it like, I just don't need it. Have those Lululemon pants. Right. Which really, I was like, I don't, so I ended up finding it, but it was Yeah. Horrible. And as at that time, I was part of Beyond Monumentals board and so I'm thinking, yeah. Like I'm like, this can, how does this happen? Yes. Agreed. Yeah. I also don't usually do gear check except for I think that race. Right. Because it's like, you're like, well, I really don't have a choice. Nope.

Probably. Exactly. This is, I wanna survive. This is my option. Yeah, yeah. After that. Oh yeah. Okay. And so then what was Boston number three? What year? So fall of 21. So the COVID Boston or the Fall? Fall, Boston. Boston. Yeah. So not the one when COVID shut everything down and they did it virtually, but the next year, the weird one year, the weird [00:46:00] one.

The weird one. That was in September. Yes. September or October, I can't remember, but it was the time that I, it's my PR race that I think was in the fall of

18, I think at monumental. And I then got pregnant the following fall. So I was like, I'm never going to get to use this bq. Like it's just gonna be there and that's fine.

But then, because it was the like special circumstance Boston, where they were like, and now you're qualifier from, I don't even know how long ago can count. And so I was able to register and oh my gosh, people listening to this who are like going for Boston are like, okay, you got in with a two minute buffer.

I know. And you magically, you know, get pregnant and still get to go, which, yeah. You know what? Frankly, I've got a lot of so amazing for you. I love that for you so much because yeah, you're like, well, I'm so happy that I'm pregnant and growing my family.

Kate Broshears: but

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): Dang. Like that's also a really big piece of me. Yeah.

And that sucks to leave behind. Yes. Then you didn't have to. Right. But you also had to become a parent during [00:47:00] like the weirdest time on the face of the earth. It was the weirdest time on the face of the earth. Yes. Because I don't love talking about COVID, you know? Yeah. It's like this weird time everybody had, but, but when you, I just, I remember thinking about people who were becoming parents at that time and how hard that would be because it's already really hard Yeah.

To become a parent and then you like strip away all the help and resources you could have. Yeah. So, I mean, tell us a little bit about that experience. Yeah. I know it sucks to probably think about still to this day. Yeah. 'cause that's pretty traumatic going through that. It was a lot. Yeah. Our oldest was born six weeks after the world shut down.

So the team shorts, baby shower that they threw me was on the Saturday before the two weeks to flatten the curve. So we have a picture of us doing social distancing, like. Halfway as a joke because that's what everyone was still kind of in the mindset of like, okay, we'll see you in two weeks. Like whatever, here we are.

Yeah. Right. Oh, see you in two weeks and Right. [00:48:00] LOL. And so then to go from, you know, preparing for a normal birth, as you would think to then, and as someone who has been fortunate enough to not go to the hospital regularly, otherwise Right. To then go all the time. 'cause you're in weekly. Yeah, weekly sessions.

That's a whole nother thing. Whole different thing than just giving birth. Totally. Like you had to go into hospitals Yes. Every week. Yes. And then they were worried about Jasper's size and it was like, oh, and now you get to come back for the non-stress tests and all the other things. So it was also a very strange time to have that interaction with the healthcare system.

So increased at the time. I mean, and community health did an amazing job. They get lots of credit.

Kate Broshears: but

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): Mentally, it was a lot of, like, I just remember coming back and that was at the time we thought COVID was on everything. So that, you know, you come back and it's like, okay, I like sat on a towel in the car. Oh my God.

So then I could wash that and then I'm gonna come and change my clothes so that I'm not carrying COVID into the house. That's so horrible. Four times you're so pregnant. Yes. Yes. [00:49:00] And it didn't really help that at the time, you know, I hadn't been running because of my pregnancy and some pain associated with that.

Oh, great. And so it was like, I'm walking everywhere all the time to stay sane. I am not seeing my friends as much as I am because I'm not running. I'm listening to all of the podcasts, like the New York Times, the Daily, where they're like, oh, and now partners can't come into the, into the birthing room.

And so all these moms are giving birth by themselves and it's like. I almost forgot about that. This is a, this is just a lot to process. Why did you listen to that, Kate? Right. Why did I do that? Terrible. But I do think it was a really, I feel like this is gonna sound somewhat corny, but like I leaned on all of the training from running and sports to be like, what can I control?

I cannot control any of this. Like none of it. I can't control when my baby comes. I can't control the hospital policies. I can't control what COVID is doing. Like I have to just be okay with that [00:50:00] and do what I can do. And that really got me through that phase. That could have been like just astronomically stressful.

It was, it felt more like it was a normal, stressful experience. But then yeah, going into labor and going into the hospital where, you know, everybody has your masks on, you have to, you know, be in labor while breathing through a mask. Yeah. And they let us. Not wear masks all the time at varying points too, which was also, yeah, helpful if healthcare providers weren't in the room.

And then to your point on the back end of it, it's like we have such an incredible village that, you know, would be there all the time. Yeah. But we were, I mean, my parents are in their mid seventies and so when we were coming home from the hospital, we were also like, everybody we like, we have to wait because there were, we spent three days in a hospital, so like Right.

We're not gonna see you. We're bringing COVID to you. Yeah. We are not even, you know, potentially worried about ourselves. Totally. Yes. But even then, having a small, like if he was small, yes. You really don't wanna mess with [00:51:00] that. Exactly. So that was a lot. And, but I mean, truly, I think people showed up in just such incredible ways, like the support from.

Many, many friends, team, shorts, chief among them, like the meal drop offs as mm-hmm. It was, Jasper was born in May, so like we could actually sit outside and like talk, which saved me a lot. That's a blessing. Yeah. Um, we found there were several other first time moms in our neighborhood that we all saw out walking, and so we kind of made our own little, like stroller, gang of new moms who were coming into parenthood in our neighborhood during such a wild time.

Wow. Megan Carrico from the Indianapolis Airport. I, her son was born a week after mine. We would go on stroll. So it's like we found our own group of people who were in similar situations to just go through that together. Yeah. And so I felt really fortunate to have even amid such hard environments mm-hmm.

To have that community really throughout [00:52:00] all of that. Yeah. Early parent. Well that started from Julie. Thanks Julie. Yes, exactly. Big shout out, Julie, but Okay.

Kate Broshears: Yeah,

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): was trying to think about this. So you could Neil be there when Yes. Yes, he could. Thankfully, because that, that is, I can't believe that that happened where people had, when women had to be alone.

I know, but ironically, I've had that experience because I was with Sloan, she was born, she's my second, she's now four. She's born in April of 21. And so it was still Yeah. A time where there were no visitors. Yeah. And I had to wear a mask, which was really annoying. 'cause you're like, come on. Like at that point you were kind of like, please yeah, we're so close.

Like Yeah, yeah. Right here. Long story short, I ended up having to be put under to get birth. And so when you were put under, your spouse is not allowed, your partner's not allowed in the room because he's only there for moral support. Yes. And so once that's not required. Needed. Yeah. So that was weird. Oh my gosh.

But I don't really remember it. Right. But Zach does. He is just sitting out there. They hand him a [00:53:00] baby. It's such a weird it. Yeah. The whole becoming a parent and giving birth thing is. Wild. It is such a wide variety of experiences that Totally agreed. Are all pretty insane. They are. There's never one that's like, it was so great.

Everything went that went totally normal. Yeah. Lies was so easy and normal and yeah, I mean, yeah, insane. And so then you got to run Boston. So then how long would that have been? How old was Jasper when you ran your third Boston? She was a year and almost a half. That's amazing. Yeah, I think I did about the same.

'cause Sydney, I was trying to do the math ish, like I did New York in the fall of 2018 and she was born in the summer of 2017. And so yeah, it felt like a reasonable time to come, come back to the marathon. Yeah, agreed. But looking back, you're still like, wow, that's pretty impressive, you know? Agreed. It felt like a long time, but in reality you look at it now and you're like, oh, that's still pretty early.

Yes, totally agreed. So do you remember how long you waited postpartum until you were [00:54:00] able to, and did your pain that you had during pregnancy go away with birth? It took. So with both kids, I had some pretty bad pelvic floor pain starting at like, I did not listen to my body well with Jasper, so I ran through it for far too long.

Oh yeah. Well, so I probably ran until like six months at that point. And then with Finn I stopped earlier because I was smarter. So probably at like five months, maybe early five months. Yeah. So yeah, I waited with Jasper till maybe like eight weeks or so. Okay. Maybe less. Yeah. I mean, um, and I, but then with Finn I was probably closer to eight weeks, but I also had found a pelvic floor physical therapist who mm-hmm.

Works with women who are fit and who want to work out and be high-achieving in those ways. Yes. Yeah. She's a former division one athlete herself and a mom. Wow. And so, I don't know about your experience with the healthcare system, but so often when you're like, oh, I'd like to run, if you say run and pregnancy.

Oh, it's like, what are, just stop, don't [00:55:00] do anything. And it's like. That's not super helpful for us too. I'm going to, so like tell me what, so help me. Yeah. Like yes. Yeah. I had a great ob, she was also a runner and a pelo toner and so I remember like, she was like, yeah, yes. You do what you, your body? Yes. Lets you do.

Agreed. Yeah. My OB was one of the few who similarly. Mm-hmm. I chose her 'cause she was a runner many years ago. Yeah. And it's like, yes, you will help me do this. Right. When I remember actually with Sibi, we were going on a ski trip and I remember asking if it would be okay if I skied and she was like, absolutely not.

You cannot ski. And I was like, that seems a little aggressive. So I skied and I was fine and my mom's like, I skied with you. 'cause they were out in Denver when I was born. I skied with you when I was like really pregnant. So, you know, like, well it might turned out okay. Yeah, no lasting scars. Right. So the weird Boston, September, October.

Yes. And it was a limited field too, right? Like it was a lot smaller. Yeah. I do think it was smaller. And yeah, they did have [00:56:00] some COVID protocols in place, which is so weird. I think we wore masks on the bus, if I'm recalling correctly. Yeah. And they had like somewhat social distance, like packet pickups and all of that.

Yeah. Yeah. It's wild to think about, isn't it? It is. It is. Yeah. And to look at how much has, like both, how we're still feeling the echoes of COVID in so many ways. Totally. Across everything. Yeah. And also in other ways how like life is just back to normal, right? Yeah. Like I loved how, you know, when you were sick, wear a mask.

That's kind of great. Yeah. Like people should do that. Yeah. That seems, or if you're sick, stay home also. Right. Stay home. It's kind of that part of it. Like let's keep that, yeah. Can we pick and choose some of those things? Right? Yeah. Some of that stuff you're like, now if you're wearing a mask out about like literally nobody's gonna even think twice about it.

So you know, if you're sick, yeah. Stay at home or just wear a mask, please do that, please. So, okay, so you become, become a mom and you train for the marathon. And then Neil, all this while is also a very talented cyclist, as you've mentioned. Yeah. And so what was coming back to running and like having an active partner?

Like how did [00:57:00] you tag team on training after that? Yeah. Yes. I feel like we, we were very used to operating in the like, oh, we can just both exercise whenever we want and for however long we went. And then it turns out I know it's like what? When you have a child, that is not the way it goes. Yeah. And I was never a great stroller runner, I think because.

Of my pelvic floor pain and trying to come back, like being more imbalanced while pushing mm-hmm. Was like not a thing that I really delved into. So it really was like, we have to trade off. Really? Yeah. Meaningfully. It was helpful, especially early on because he works for the state and at the time they were home, so he got to be home a lot more during my maternity leave.

Oh, there you go. And so when, especially when I was coming back to running, it was like, oh, he could take his lunch and hang out with Jasper while I went out for 30 minutes. Right. To do my one minute on, one minute off run walk. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think as we got into the training, we're really [00:58:00] fortunate to have such a great.

Support system of family. Yeah. And so my parents still live in Irvington and they love to take the kids on Friday night from school and then we'll watch them until till like midday on Saturday. Yes. Yeah. That's so nice. And so that's been a great, I mean, even if that's, you know, half of the weekend, that's still such an incredible resource to use.

We use the YA lot, um, for the child watch at the Jordan Y and then we also have babysitters that we get at least for the long, long runs and rides on Saturdays. Right. So that's kind of the premium time for both of us in terms when people are doing those things. And then I basically work out in the morning.

I have the morning slot. He's got the afternoon slot Yeah. For riding because it's a lot. That's when all the group rides happen. And so, you know, I'll wake up at four 50, go out for my miles, get back, he's got the kids partially ready. We, you know, I shower really quick. Help them. Yeah. Get them out the door.

And then when he, when they come home in [00:59:00] the evening, then I'm there making dinner, hanging out with them while he goes on his ride. That's his thing. Yeah. So it's worked pretty well for us so far. I mean, obviously hiccups, you know, got kids who aren't sleeping, that obviously impacts the morning more than the evening.

Yeah. You know, any activities and things like that. But Jasper starts kindergarten here in a month and so it's like, I see the activities and other things starting to pick up. It's like, okay, we're gonna have to changing significantly change. Mm-hmm. The, the rhythm. But it's been a good rhythm for the first five years.

Yeah, that's great. But it is, I mean, it takes a lot of commitment from both partners and I, I feel really fortunate that I have a partner that values as much as I do. Yeah. And so being able to trade off, I mean, it's certainly, you know. It'll be interesting being in marathon training right now, we really haven't had to have the like, okay, well I know you wanna exercise, I also need to exercise, but I'm training for a race right now, and how do I say that without being totally mean?

Um, [01:00:00] yeah. This is more important. Uh, we need to prioritize just a little bit more. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. It's, it's hard. It is so hard. Yeah. Yeah. Communication changes a lot. Mm-hmm. Over time. Mm-hmm. It does. And so, so that Boston postpartum Yep. How did that feel? I remember being a lot more, like, it was just very emotional.

Yes. For me personally, after my first marathon, like, I can still do pursue it. Yes. Agreed. I feel like that was kind of the, yeah. The proving race where it's like, okay, like we can still do this as parents, we can make this happen. My body can still do this after. Mm-hmm. You know, having to go without running for a while.

Yeah. And I think, you know, being. Unable to run for a lot of my pregnancies and postpartum. I feel like it really, I had to lean into the, having different goals for exercise at different times. Mm-hmm. And so it became, you know, movement is the goal. And so I went on a lot of walks. I did [01:01:00] more strength training.

You know, I went on, or I was riding, uh, on a Peloton like class at the Y before. Mm-hmm. COVID shut everything down. Um, and so trying to take that similar like approach into marathon training where it's like, okay, I've gotta listen to my body more. My goals will be different. Right now it's like about covering the distance.

Time for me was kind of like secondary. Mm-hmm. In terms of like, we're just making sure I can still do this and Yep. Get it done. I think that was, it was a really special race. And there was another couple friends who were also, you know, it was either their first marathon back after pregnancy or, you know, first back in a long time.

So it was a fun. Experience to get to share that with friends out there and we run Boston again. We'll see. I feel like I keep getting older and somehow my BQ time keeps staying the same or going down, so that's not helpful. I couldn't agree more. No,

Kate Broshears: Yeah,

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): because how old are you? 37. 37? Yes. I'm [01:02:00] 39 and so I did the math wrong and didn't think about how this fall Oh yeah.

Would be the time for me to try. Yeah. And so I ran my marathon PR last year. Yeah. And so, you know, for the sake of not burning myself out Yeah. Like this year I was like, okay, well before I go for it at 40. And so I didn't realize the whole, like it's not the 2020 window, six Boston. It's 2027 Boston we're thinking about now.

Yeah. Qualifying for this fall and so that confused the hell out of me. I know. And I didn't realize that. So anyway, so this fall is like covering the distance. Yes. Pushing somebody. Yes. That's what I'm doing. But then I'm continuing to work on my speed alongside that. Like I'm like Coach Rachel, train me.

Like I'm still going for more speed so that I can just keep up that level of fitness in hopes that I can just keep going for it. But it does feel like a, well it is a beating target. Yes. Yeah. It doesn't just feel like it is, it literally is pass. Yeah. So yes. Hopefully one day that'll be, that'll be the goal.

We'll see how this fall [01:03:00] goes running Chicago. I got in on the lottery. That's awesome. Last or when? I had a couple months of feeling really good running last fall, I put my name in the hat, right. And now I'm like, oh, I wish my body felt the way it did back then, because right now it does not. But we will make it happen.

Yeah. Yeah. You will. Have you done Chicago before? I have not. Oh, it'll be here for Chicago. Yeah. I got into Chicago a couple years ago and then like a week after I got the notification, a family member had their wedding scheduled for that date. So it was like, okay, it's not meant to be. Yep. Not meant to be.

We'll do that at different times was a little rough. It was. It was. They were like, don't you know that? That's a rough Right.

Kate Broshears: Right.

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): A big one. And no one else can pick up my packet for me. Yeah. Yeah. Only me. So yeah, man, it's a great race, as you already know. I am very excited. Yeah. And plus you'll probably get to go with people who have like done it a million times.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of, yeah, to your point, so many people have done it. I feel like getting a sense of the logistics and what it all. How it all works mm-hmm. Will be easier beforehand. Yeah. As opposed to going in cold. Yeah. Well it's [01:04:00] pretty, it's, I mean, compared to Boston. Yes. Right. Yeah.

Be a little easier than that. So at least that's, you have that under your belt. Yes. I wanna talk a little bit about traditions that you have with team shorts too briefly. 'cause I love that, like the runs that you've dressed up for, the runs you do around holiday stuff. Like, could you take us through a few of those?

Yeah. Because I think those are so fun. Yeah. We, we truly have embraced traditions, uh, across so many things. So one at baby showers we do a diaper beer bottle chugging relay, so yeah. Yep. We have lots of pictures of us. We put on the adult diaper, you have to check the bottle of beer, you run a distance, come back and then trade off with the person.

Oh, that's funny. Yeah. So we've done that. You know, the first one was at Butler on their track, so there was, you know, some youth baseball occurring. Next source, Lord. So I'm sure those people were like, what are these? Wild people doing right here. And then we've done the Boston Sun Doc. Love that. For folks who are headed up to the [01:05:00] race, we do what we call short giving.

So we do a pitch in before Thanksgiving where everybody comes together. That's usually our time where we're talking about goals for the next year. That's cool. Big accomplishments for the current year. And then we do Schwartz Smith, where we've got like the Elster gift exchange. I'm trying to think of some others.

I mean, we, we love a good party, so anytime we can make an excuse to get together to do that, and we've done, we used to do the Irvington Halloween Festival run. Okay. I would say leading up to that. I think post COVID got a little trickier, but yeah, we've, we've had some pretty awesome costumes for that, including dressing up, like Noah Joti, who is an Irvington, grew up on the east side and that was the year after he had gone viral at the Olympic trials for the 10 k when he has the long hair and the mustache and like a Brighton.

Okay. I like who is that? Am I supposed to know that? He did, was, became a professional runner, but ran at DePauw, so as a division three. Oh, okay. Student athlete, you know, didn't [01:06:00] win any major championships there, but like really came into running fast and very, very well in his, you know, twenties and early thirties.

Oh, that's cool. And so he was actually my brother's roommate at DePauw, so I've known him forever. And so we, we decided to dress up like Noah where everybody had our fake mustaches, long hair and the neon outfit that he did. And so then he was at the race because he has run that race for a long time. So we were like, oh, we have to get a picture with Noah.

And so we made it into Runner's World actually because of that. You did. That is such a fun fact. I love that. Do you have that framed? 'cause I would, I don't actually, but I'm sure someone does. Yeah, somebody has to. That is, I mean, that is unbelievable. Yeah. Someday I'll be in Runner's world and who knows for what, but I would take that any day.

Yes. So I, I love that. Also, I wanted to talk about the a hundred K relay that you did. 'cause I didn't know Yeah. That you had done that. And then also just kind of. In that same vein, like what other [01:07:00] races have you done that were missing? Oh, good question. Yeah. The a hundred K relay. So I am not a trail runner by, by practice.

I've probably run on trails 10 times or less. At most of those have been racist, so, okay. Yes. So I think Eileen Poor, who you mentioned earlier, and then Chris Wright and Jenny Blake have all done a lot more of the trail running. Before. And so Eileen was going for, I think, I can't remember if she did the 50 k or the 50 mile down there, but we knew she would be there.

And then some of us, Chris really led the charge of like, we should get a relay together to go down there and run also. And so yeah, we, we went down. It was so, oh no, another hot one for you. Oh, why are they all hot? So it, but it was so fun just to like, be around the trail community and mm-hmm. Get a chance to, I'd be like, the relay is probably where I'm best situated.

I don't think I, I didn't even know that existed, frankly. Yeah. Chris had run, I think, uh, dances with dirt in Michigan. And so when she saw that it was, they also [01:08:00] had one down near Nashville. It was like, oh, we should go check this out and make a weekend of it. And so, yeah, we, we had a good time. How many miles would that, like how many people were on the relay team?

There were five of us, I think. So we probably both ran, or we all ran like maybe 13 ish. Okay. 10 to 13, maybe 15. So it was, I was gonna say it wasn't. A ton, which helped a lot for, for all of us. Well, it's still like challenging enough, right? It was, but not like in where. Yes. Yeah. Like Eileen doing it solo. I know.

Yeah. I know. I have so much respect for all the, the trail ultra runners. Same at one point. They're, I think they're gonna get me to like, try it.

I dunno when that's gonna be, but I, I love that. I've been dragged out to Eagle Creek now and yeah. It's like, oh, okay. I kind of see why you like this. I totally kind of get it.

I do. Yeah. I love hiking, so I get it. Yeah. There you go. Well, and I think as roadrunners, like we are with, you know, being good to watch and having your times and your planning and your training. Totally. And it's like, it's a good, it's a good experience to like, you know, [01:09:00] ultra runners look at us like, okay, calm down.

Why are you so rigid? Yeah. And I'm like, I could use some of that. Yes. In my life. Just across the board, frankly. Yeah, same. Yeah, same. Yeah. So I wanna talk about, before we do the end of the podcast Yeah. Questions. I wanna talk about your hair. I put it on the list because we, I just. I am literally obsessed with your hair.

Thank you. I love it. So at what age did you start seeing gray hair? Probably when I was 20 or so. 20. Yeah. So my grandma was totally white by the time she was 30, so I always knew it was coming for me. Oh my gosh. And she's 30. That's wild. And wild. Yes, yes. And so I think, you know, my mom really, she had dyed her hair when I was younger, but then, you know, kind of let go of that probably when I was in college.

And so seeing her model, but like just letting her hair go gray naturally, I know. It really was like, okay, like I could do that. And then I think for me it's like [01:10:00] I really, I have no beauty routine to speak of. I would be a terrible like beauty influencer and am a terrible target market for any of them.

So I'm like, I don't own any makeup. I don't, I, I have no skincare, anything. And so, okay. Not even mascara. I think I pescara, I own it. It's in my like travel bag I put on twice in my life. Correct. I put it on at weddings maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, you know, for me it was also just like, I don't, I don't have any routines to get into to be like, yes, now I'm gonna go dye my hair.

Hair. And so I think it's just like, no, this is just like who I am and how my hair is gonna evolve and we're just gonna embrace that. And so, yeah, now it's definitely over the last few years obviously become much more gray. But I do also love it. Um, beautiful. Thank you. And I'm so glad you asked. It's that gray, it's like silver.

Yeah. It's, it's gorgeous. It's got a lot more of like mixed color. Yes. I'm obsessed. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. And I'm so glad you said something about it too. 'cause I feel like really for the longest time, [01:11:00] no one ever commented on it. Because I think it was like, I don't know if I was just young enough that like people, people were like, oh, she just hate it.

Yes. I can't talk to her about it. My God. Because it's an offender. My, exactly. Yeah. She'll be offended if I say something. And I feel like in the last like year or so, it's really become like, people have been mentioning it more and I'm like, yes, I love this. 'cause it's like, we shouldn't be afraid to, it's, it's literally, and b, it's right who we are and how we can Yeah.

Show up authentically in that way, so, right. I feel like that's one way that I've tried to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Mostly unintentionally, but Right. You're like, well, I, you know, this is just what it is. But I, I just love it so much and I, I've had, I have another friend, my, a running friend, actually, Kim Bowers, who lives in Philadelphia, and she is the same.

And I don't remember when she started, but I remember just being like, always just loving it and thinking, gosh, when I start, I, I have grays. They're like silver. Yeah. And I just look, I'm like, okay, if my hair's like that or whatever it is, I just wanna embrace it. Yeah. And thank God too, like COVID [01:12:00] helped because people had to stop dyeing their hair and then they're kind of just like letting it go.

Yeah. And my mother-in-law, my mom, my therapist. Yeah. Like, you know, there's a lot of women in my life who have embraced it. Yeah. I also feel like a hypocrite though, 'cause I get Botox, so it's like this balance of Yeah. I feel like you kind of choose which pieces, you know what? Yeah, you do. You, you like that's what I, I mean, you do whatever you want.

Totally. Um, but I do think the gray hair piece is like one that it's like I almost can't, I, I'm almost like really excited for it because aging is such a blessing. It is. And I think as young professionals, kind of back to how we started this conversation, yes. Part of me is like, I'm ready to be taken seriously.

Yeah. Yes. So do I need to have gray hair for you to take me seriously? But I literally think like, you know, in all the work that you've done and Yeah. You know, that, that had to be helpful in a way. Yeah. Like, as silly as that sounds. Yeah, it does. Yeah. I feel like it gives you more gravitas. Some, youre like, well, look at me.

I'm, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That sounds so [01:13:00] silly, but sadly, like some of that stuff Yeah. Just is how it is. Yes. So, but we are also talking about how you donated your hair before. Yes. Yeah. I've donated it probably three or four times maybe over the course of my life. And so That's so cool. Yeah. I feel like I've done the grow it out and then chop it off.

Yep. And donate several times and yeah. I, I, we'll see if I do it this time or if it's a little further down the road. Yeah. I feel like I am enjoying the longer hair this time, which is not always the case. Normally I'm like, I'm ready. Take that off. Yeah. But right now it's been good. Which organization do you typically donate to?

I think it's evolved over the years. I don't remember who my hairstylist is. The one who like has does it all the connection. Okay. So I don't know which one was the most recent. Okay. And who did you just donate to? So I did hair we share. Okay. Which is, I've done, I did theirs once before. What's cool with them is that they have a ponytail tracking system.

So cool. Cool. So if you make a donation of $150 to the organization, then they [01:14:00] will track your ponytail and they'll send you a picture of the wig they make. And so it took, I think a year after I donated last time to get a picture, but it was really cool. It was my hair and two other women's hair and it was like, here you go.

Like it was really cool. That's incredible to be like, oh. And when they can, they will even send you a picture. Like if it's with the person who ultimately got it. Oh, that's amazing. You know, that would be so cool to just really all full circle. But when I first donated my hair it was, it was probably during the time I was in the OR fellowship or just after I did Pantene prov like beautiful lengths.

Yes. That was, that might have been, yeah. I think 'cause I donated similarly college or like shortly thereafter. Mm-hmm. Or, and I feel like that might've been the same. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they were one of their movers and, I dunno. Yeah. But now I've done hair, we share and it was, my hair grows very fast. Yeah.

But I was in the, like with running especially that's when I was trying to get irritated with it. 'cause rushing out my tingly ass hair Yes. Was becoming like a full-time job. And I, I was just kind of ready [01:15:00] to, to not have to do that. Yeah. And I was joking about how I actually put a curling iron in my hair.

So I can relate a lot to the whole beauty routine. Like you're, you're more extreme than I am. I do put on some makeup sometimes and I, you know, I try to do some of the stuff that I'm supposed quote unquote supposed to do or be influenced to do. It's like, but yeah.

Yeah.

It's so hard to have time for that, especially as a parent.

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I have 20 minutes to get ready. Cool. That's not part of it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna use that for Yeah. Like showering. Yes, exactly. Cleaning my body. Yes. Bare minimum.

Kate Broshears: Bare

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): minimum. And we, we didn't ignore Finn, but we didn't talk as much about your youngest Finn who's now two, correct?

Yep, he is. And so you, have you since done a marathon since Finn has been born? I have not. This will be the first one. Chicago will be the first, those two kids. Okay. Yep. Yeah. That's another big milestone. Yes. I remember when I did that. Yes. Because yeah, one is tricky enough, but then when you add the second, it's like, oh, you know, we are leaving someone in two to one [01:16:00] coverage anytime you're leaving to run.

So it is definitely a different different ball game. Yeah. Um, so yeah. Well, he's like the sweetest little baby. And by baby, I mean. Two and a half year old. Yeah. Um, they're all, I mean, I'm like, I call my kids baby and my totally, like, I am not a baby. Like, I mean, like you're, well listen, you're gonna always be my baby.

Yes. Let me explain this to you. Right. Just embrace that now. Yeah. So I'm not calling you a baby. Yes. You're so silly. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I'm excited to cheer you on in Chicago. Thank you. That'll be, that'll be fun. I would love to spectate that race at some point. I've gone for my dad. Oh yeah. And spectated for my dad before a guy I had on this podcast, he organizes the first aid station in Chicago.

Oh wow. And so he is like, if you're ever interested and you wanna come volunteer, just hit me up. And I'm like, that would be so fun. That would be fun. It's really hard. I, yeah, I believe it really hard. I mean, I only did it at our kids' race for monumental and it's like there's barely any people compared to a broke nature.

Yes. Yes. I was gonna say, I did it at [01:17:00] the mini one year. I just wanted that. Okay. So, you know, so that smart, the like water handing, but it's like, I can only imagine. I got the pressure. The marathon major, and especially one where people, I mean, that is such a flat course and so fast that people pros and otherwise all of us normal people are Yeah.

Everyone's there to go. Don't mess it up. Yes. I wonder if they train pe. They probably have like a training program. There has be somewhat more. Yeah. Anyway. Agreed. So, okay. I'm gonna ask you the end of the podcast questions now. Yes. I also wanna like cheat and make sure I didn't miss anything. Okay. I need to ask you about that.

I'm trying to too. Yeah. You'll know when I ask you to do it. Oh gosh. Okay. But first, don't you dare, let me forget that. Okay. Your favorite running mantra and or song? Yeah, running mantra. I actually added it to my, I don't know if you have a road id. Oh, I don't, but I probably should, but so they, because I don't have allergies, there's an extra line at the bottom.

Okay. [01:18:00] So I put it on there. Thanks to some friends, inspiration. But you can And you will. Yep. That's a good one. It's especially it like you can get it to the rhythm of your feet and it's just a good reminder of like, you can persevere through the hard mm-hmm. Chase down the goal. Yeah. Whatever that goal is.

Moment. Yeah. That's a really good one. And then do you listen to music when you run? Not usually. I've become more of a, like, audio book podcast listener. I would say same actually. Yeah. More so as I became a walker in my, uh, pregnancy life. Yeah. And postpartum. And so that was when I was listening and I was like, oh, now that when I go out for my solo runs, I'll usually put on, uh, some of those.

But if I ever have like a solo speed workout or really need to just like. Focus in on really anything. Mm-hmm. Or pre-race, when I need to get hyped up, I always listen to the two thousands hiphop station. Gimme, gimme one, gimme one on Pandora. Oh gosh. I mean, anything from 50 cent, I feel like he's on there.

Every other song, I think many Men is on the finish lines in [01:19:00] milestones, podcasts, playlist, thanks to Lara Overton. She, yeah. Yes, yes. So yeah, that I feel like is just, it's the music that I grew up playing sports to. So it's like all the warmups, all the team mm-hmm. Mixes and whatnot. It's like, yeah, this is what I need.

Listen to when I need to. Apparently there's, when is it in August at RU off here locally. There is Nelly Jaw rule. Um, ch I was like, how is this not in my feed? Like if there's anything that should be in my, we the target algorithm, like that's it. People, I would agree. Right. So watch us both get that ad when we walk out of here.

You'll actually, thanks. Well, my friend, I talked, my friend about it this week and that's how I found out about it. I'm like, how did I not know about this? Hello. Right. Great. How do we not know? One person going, maybe we should go. Yeah, right. Here we go. Let's, let's get a group of runners to go to that.

Absolutely. That'd be super special. Okay. And the next finish line we know is Chicago. Yeah. Milestone you're sending Yeah. Kid Jasper to kindergarten. Jasper. So where will he go to school? He'll be at Christ the King. Okay. Here. Yeah. So is that your [01:20:00] church? Is that, what kind Is that Catholic? It is Catholic.

Okay. Yeah, I should know that as Catholic. But yeah, so yeah, we are actually parishioners at a neighboring parish, but we, they had too long of a wait list for kindergartens. I, I don't know much about that world we're, I was unprepared. Yeah. Honestly. But we were parishioners at Christ King. We lived in Broad because it's right there.

So we're super familiar with it and it's a great community. So. It's gonna be wild. So weird to think about having a 5-year-old, and this feels like very real school-ish. It's a very next level of parenthood. Yes. You'll find, I mean, right as every season is totally, you're like, oh, now I have an elementary school kid, and then that's a whole new world.

Of all the things that you're like. What? Yes. Right. Developmentally, their friends. The education side. Yeah. Yeah. How much you see them, how much you get their, like input from their teachers, all of that. Yeah. It's so much fun though. I mean, yeah. That'll be great. So that's so exciting. All the things. Will you do any other, leading up to Chicago, I guess, are there any other races you'll do?

You do Indiana Women's question. I was thinking about it. I need to see if we're gonna be in [01:21:00] town that weekend. Same. I'm in the same boat, I swear for that one. If I'm gonna register, it's always like two days before. Yeah. And then I pay, you know, five times more than I would. I love paying full price. I love paying full price for things.

This is perfect. Yeah. So, yeah, potentially that I don't know. Yeah. 'cause then you wouldn't do the indie half the same weekend or wouldn't in half. Yeah. Really close to Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. I probably should though. 'cause I, I tend to not race a lot. General, like I, I'm not someone who does a lot of races mm-hmm.

For whatever reason. And so I think Interesting. It'd be good just to like get used to the race day. Right. Rhythm again, since it's basically just a company like you're, well you already have company when you run. Totally. But it's just like the race environment's. Nice. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Yeah. And the mini, when I saw you, I.

The mini did not go well for me, so I'm like, oh yeah, I need, I did see you another race that is not that miserable. So that I think that I can actually cover twice that distance. Yeah, I know. Sucks. You always have like training runs that do that to you too. And it's like, that's so mean because I know that I can can't, I know, I, [01:22:00] I know I'll get there, but it just sucks to have those moments where you're like, I don't know how the hell I'm gonna do this.

Exactly. Yep. But that's why you have that on your watch. Yes, exactly. You can, you'll, okay. And now for the audience who has watched, which is like three people, I swear. I love it. They make me do video. They, the world says you have to do video for podcast now. Yes. And then nobody watches it, so it's cool.

There you go. But you can lick your elbow and so you're just gonna have, you're gonna have to do it. I can't. Alright. You realize that when you said that I did. You're gonna have to, yes. All right. Lemme stretch and then I may attempt. Okay.

Kate Broshears: Yeah,

Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): That's pretty. Okay, so now this gonna, yeah. There, I, I don't even think I could put my elbow Yeah.

Anywhere that close to my face. You can put your to like, that is insane. When did you and how did you discover, I think it was in high school when someone was like, you can't like, like people can't like elbows, right? Yeah. And of course every person is like, well yeah, I gotta try. Yeah. And then it was like, wait a second, but I can, so I was like, I don't, I don't know.

So when I was an in an intern at the [01:23:00] NCAA, they introduced all the interns at an all staff meeting. No. And they had us all stand up and ask us to like share a random fact. Oh no. So that's what I shared. That's amazing. And then of course had to do it literally, I came back two years later after grad school and someone walked by me in the hallway and was like, you are the one that can lick your elbow.

And I was like, yes. apparently, I mean, I've never seen somebody do that. Now that's gonna be in my algorithm as well. So thank thank you to that. Yes. You're welcome. Welcome. But thanks for doing this. This is so much fun. So fun. Yeah. This was wonderful to get to catch up with you and just talk all things.

Work and momming and running and how all of those three things come together for us. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks to everybody who has listened and maybe just seen Kate Liquor Elbow and, uh, happy running. Yes. Yay. Have a good one. That's so crazy. If you enjoyed this episode of Finish Lines in Milestones from Sandy Boy Productions, please [01:24:00] share it means a lot and it's really great way to get the word out because people obviously trust the word of their friends.

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Finish Lines & Milestones_ Episode 120_ Kate Broshears (TO IMPORT): runs, trying to do a lot more over there, so enjoy that. All right. See you next week.