Finish Lines & Milestones: Episode 123: Logan Turner - Miles for Nora

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Guest: Logan Turner @logant22

Show Notes:

Logan Turner⁠ is a beloved husband, dad, triathlete and ultramarathoner. His next finish line is at Prairie on Fire in Noblesville, Indiana on Saturday, September 6th and he's running his "⁠Miles for Nora⁠", his oldest daughter.

During this episode, sponsored by ⁠Previnex⁠ and ⁠Athlete Bouquets⁠, we talk about:

• What rucking is and how it’s all the rage (i.e. weighted vests)

• How he got into being so active after being burnt out as a kid when it came to sports 

• Gaining weight in college and then finding out how to get back in shape while still balancing a social life 

• How he met his wife, Bri, at the Jordan YMCA in Indianapolis 

• Finding endurance running only two years ago 

• Bringing his daughter, Nora, into the world and why she’s the reason he runs 

• Why they decided to have more children and now have a total of three girls

• Navigating Nora’s Dup15q syndrome

• Finding running with Nora and how that happened - running the Carmel Marathon and the Full MO Ultramarathon 

• Joining a men’s triathlon group and completing 3 half Ironman (70.3) races 

• His 50 miler this February and a funny story about Coke to go along with it

• The Prairie on Fire Ultramarathon and how Logan and Nora plan to tackle it again this year on September 6th 

• Stories of a few of his 24 tattoos (you can see pics if you watch the video!)

  Sponsor Details:

  - ⁠Previnex⁠ - Use code ALLY15 for 15% off your first order

  -⁠ Athlete Bouquets⁠ - Use code PODCAST for 10% off your order

  Links:

  - Support ⁠Miles for Nora⁠ to help fund Nora's therapies

  - ⁠Get your Miles for Nora t-shirt ⁠

  - ⁠Bri's Weighted Vest⁠

  This is a ⁠SandyBoy Productions⁠ podcast.

Episode Transcript

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Ally Brettnacher (2): Welcome to Finish Lines and Milestones, a podcast that celebrates the everyday runner. I'm your host, ally Brett Knocker, and if you run, you're a runner and every runner has a story. Join me every week as I share these stories and we cross finish lines and celebrate milestones together.

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This week my guest is Logan Turner. And I've been wanting to interview Logan for quite some time. We've met a couple times, out in the wild at various races. He was supposed to run the Carmel Marathon this year. When it got canceled, he did the Full mo, which is an ultra marathon here in Indianapolis, Indiana area, [00:03:00] and I got to cheer him and his daughter Nora on there.

But if you see, if you're watching this video, you can see I've got my miles for Nora shirt on. A big piece of what we talk about during this episode is how Logan and his wife, Bree, their daughter, Nora, was diagnosed with Dupe 15 Q syndrome. It's a super, super rare genetic syndrome that they didn't even catch until she was almost one.

And so that story is certainly. Super interesting and really crazy. And so ultimately, Logan ended up running because of Nora. It was something that he found they could enjoy together. So first of all, you gotta go support them. He's getting ready to run another. Ultra marathon in, gosh, just a week when this comes out, and he's raising money in order to help fund the therapies that they are able to do for Nora to give her the best quality of life possible.

So if you feel so inclined, head to the show notes. Go support him. There's [00:04:00] also shirts you can buy as a part of that support. And if you're going to be at Prairie on Fire on Saturday, September 6th, keep your eyes peeled for them. Let's all cheer them on and give him and his family as much help as we can to have him go far.

75 miles is his goal.

Ally Brettnacher (2): And he did a 50 miler this year. He's done half Iron Mans. Logan and his wife Brie. They're just so inspiring. We tell the story about how they met, which is hilarious and so great. So I really know that you are going to enjoy meeting my friend Logan Turner.

Ally Brettnacher: Welcome Logan Turner,

Logan Turner: Hi, there.,

Ally Brettnacher: fresh off a work call.

Just jump right into a podcast recording

Logan Turner: That's day in the life of, technology SaaS. You come from that space. I do You understand it that right. 30 minute calls are never 30 minutes. Um, very true. 60 minute calls are not 60 minutes and everything's back.

Back.

Ally Brettnacher: Yep.

Logan Turner: Trying to break that cycle.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Good luck with that.

Logan Turner: Yeah. Thank you.

Ally Brettnacher: I'm sure a lot of people are trying to do the same. Mm-hmm. So did you ruck over here today?

Logan Turner: I did not. [00:05:00] Okay. I, uh, came straight from daycare drop off.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay. So you're like, you drove a car here.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

Because

Ally Brettnacher: you live so close to the Carmel Library. You were telling me

Logan Turner: I live maybe a 10th of a mile from it. Okay. So it was literally across the street. That'd be

Ally Brettnacher: be really nice for me instead of, I don't live that far. It's like 10 minutes. so I say the ruck thing because when you and I grabbed coffee mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: You

Ally Brettnacher: wore your ruck and you walked, you rocked all the way. Like how many miles was that?

Logan Turner: Maybe two miles. Okay. Roughly. Maybe a little over.

Ally Brettnacher: God,

it feels so much further. So did you tell people what. Rucking is because I've heard the term, but I like had no idea until we first talked about it really.

Logan Turner: So I, I'll, I'll kind of tease at it a little bit. Okay. Because as

Ally Brettnacher: go deep later.

Logan Turner: Yeah. Yeah. So, so rucking is essentially walking with weight is probably the simplest way to put it. It's definitely trendy right now. I was gonna say, you can probably see a lot of people with roughing, my wife included. she has

the, the sand [00:06:00] vest I think is probably the best way to put it. That Okay.

You'll see a lot of people starting to walk with backpacks or these vests

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: I got a little bit more bougie into it with

Ally Brettnacher: a brand called

Logan Turner: goruck, uh, a couple years ago. And it, they're like purposely built for heavy backpacking. And I'm at this stage now in, in my life that if I'm going for a walk, I might as well just throw in some weight and turn a leisure.

Walk into a workout.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: Check the box, get an extra wind during the day,

Ally Brettnacher: how

many vests do you have? Do you just have the one then you can adjust the weight or do you have multiple?

Logan Turner: So I started originally with a chest plate carrier. Things like what you would see in CrossFit. Okay. Um,

it was the, it was the lowest barrier to entry.

Very cheap. At least for where the vest itself, not necessarily the weight. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: After a couple long rucks having the 15 pound weight on the front, 15 on the back Kind of hugs you a little bit too tight. so I decided to go to the formal rucking backpack. And with the [00:07:00] ruck pack that I have, I can go technically all the way up to 75 pounds.

Oh my. So they have like two different slots. My, so it can be, it, it's not a, a minimal effort to, uh, depending on how you look at it.

Ally Brettnacher: That's crazy. It is really trendy.

Logan Turner: It is, it is. I mean, it's a, it is a good workout. Like it's become one of my favorite, forms of exercise, especially this time of year.

Mm-hmm. You know, in the area that we live in. It's great walking areas. So why not, spend your time outside.

Ally Brettnacher: Why not

Logan Turner: put a Brock pack on and stack up some miles?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Well, we'll talk, we'll talk a little later about like the rocking that you've done 'cause you've done some miles.

Mm-hmm. Which again is for me, like, wow, that's incredible. 'cause there's a lot of people now Yeah. Just walking around their block wearing '

Logan Turner: em. Mm-hmm. Um,

Ally Brettnacher: what kind of a, before we move off though, what kind of vest does Bree wear for people listening who might want to like,

Logan Turner: into it? If you type in ruck or ruck pack on Amazon, it's probably the top choice that pops up.

Okay. I don't think it's a specific brand. it's built more, I do know [00:08:00] it's 20 pounds. Okay. Um, but I do know it's more built source focused around like comfort.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: That

makes sense. So some of these can be a little rugged. Yeah. that one's built for comfort. Okay. So that you can actually go for walks and be comfortable and not just absolutely crush

Ally Brettnacher: Right.

So I'll link that in the show notes. Okay. And for people who are, have seen all these

vests everywhere, they can finally jump on that trend. I don't own one yet, I probably should just because, but just to try it. My sister is really into it and says it's amazing.

Logan Turner: I love it. I, I'm a big advocate for it.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. So are you, where are you from originally, Logan?

Logan Turner: Um, about 10 miles east in Fishers. So I've moved very little from where I grew up.

Ally Brettnacher: You

and me both.

Logan Turner: I'm on one 16th in Cumberland. That's where I grew up.

Ally Brettnacher: Wow. do you have siblings?

Logan Turner: I have one younger sister. Younger sister, uh, five years younger who just moved down to Broad Ripple.

Okay. A couple weeks ago.

Ally Brettnacher: Nice.

So was she outta state before? No. No. Okay. So you guys are just, you

Logan Turner: she's, she was in debate on, she's kind of in that stage where she just got engaged. But [00:09:00] do we want to stay in Indiana? Do we want to Right. Move around? Do we wanna pick up and go to Colorado? Leave family, find a venture?

Mm-hmm. But they settled and brought bowl. They made the right, so they moved a little bit further than I did.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

To,

to the wild,

Logan Turner: about 20 minutes away from

Ally Brettnacher: I know. I did my time in Broadville and then I, then I'm back in Carmel.

Yep. Yep. Oh my gosh. And then where'd you go to undergrad?

Logan Turner: So I went to IU Bloomington.

Okay. Love it. Great place. Every place. Uh, I haven't been back in a while. That's not the easiest place for me to get to, but my time there was fantastic.

Ally Brettnacher: did you play sports growing up? Like, how did you get into being so active?

Logan Turner: So, I, I would say I was always the

Ally Brettnacher: utility player

Logan Turner: is I think, the way that I look at life.

But for athletics, it was, you played football, you played baseball. Growing up early, early days, you know, when basketball, you, you guard the person who has the same colored wristband as you, you know, you just get thrown into every single bit of youth sports. But I really focused in football and [00:10:00] baseball.

Okay. Growing up, that was kind of my sweet spot. I was always the kid who was, I, I don't know if, if you'll remember this, but others in the audience might. especially in youth football, there's a certain weight limit that you have to have before you can carry the football and where you cannot carry the football.

Like I was always athletic enough to carry the football, but if you hit a certain weight limit, there's a black bar that goes on your helmet that indicates like you're not a ball carrier. So I was like, that why they did it, and I don't know if they still do it, but that was very much a thing in, my youth sports career.

So I

Ally Brettnacher: Wait, you were too big or too small?

Logan Turner: too large too. And like you could be

Ally Brettnacher: worst thing I've

Logan Turner: heard. Like you could be like, I was a very athletic kid growing up.

IMG_2537: Yeah.

Logan Turner: Could play multiple positions, but because I hit a certain weight limit, like, sorry, if you intercept the football dead ball,

Ally Brettnacher: that cannot be

Logan Turner: real.

Yeah. Uh, uh, I hope it's not real because it, I don't think it sets the right message to kids anymore, but it was very much a real thing in my time in youth sports.

Ally Brettnacher: That

is interesting. I've never heard that in my life.

Logan Turner: Yeah. [00:11:00] Youth,

Ally Brettnacher: it's like nothing like shaming you into like, Hey, you're athletic, but you're too big to what

Logan Turner: Yeah. It makes zero sense,

zero sense. So

I, I did football growing up. Okay. baseball became, I would say my primary sport, especially when, travel sports became a thing, so, mm-hmm. Going into. Real travel where we played at the, not the formal little League World series that you're all familiar with on ES pn.

There's other tournaments, uh, especially down in Disney, uh, in Florida, Orlando, uh, that we participated in. So really cool to play against kids from Hawaii, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic. And I would say that was probably the,

Ally Brettnacher: the primary

Logan Turner: uh, or the, like, the threshold before I started just like getting burnt out of, of, of sports, right?

Because you're, you know, you're traveling every week, you're playing every weekend, you're practicing, and then you go right into the next sport mm-hmm. For

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: The next season.

And I pretty much stood that all the way up until high school. I played freshman football, freshman baseball, and then [00:12:00] after that season I was just like, I feel like I'm burnt out of sports.

And I didn't really love it anymore. Like, I enjoyed my time. But then you're, you know, when you get to high school, you kind of have like a brand new. Life in and of itself, especially here in Indianapolis. Carmel, I went to Hamilton Southeastern, so a very large school, and I just kind of fell outta love with sports at that time.

Like, I still enjoyed watching them, but going to practice. Yeah. Doing the summer, two a days, traveling right after practice, still keeping up with homework and social life. I was like, I just, I don't love it anymore. Mm-hmm. So I, I pulled out of

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Well, and as a dad now, like, yeah. And as a parent myself, it's like I'm thinking about, I always try to, I just never want my kids to feel forced or burnt out or, 'cause they're kids. Yeah.

Logan Turner: It became, it's

Ally Brettnacher: this culture that we have is, you know, it's like hopefully your kids are in all the sports, otherwise they're gonna be behind or whatever.

Which I think is not, not accurate,

but,

Logan Turner: Yeah. It's a, it's a tough thing. you could think of it as, [00:13:00] uh. Living through your kids.

Yeah. So you wanna give them every single option that's available and push them to find what fits their mold. Mm-hmm. What they can excel in. And then you wanna just commit to it fully. Yeah. Totally Get it now. Yeah. As a parent. But then I look back and I was like, wow. Like trying to do that all year round is brutal.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It's like, and for parents it's

Logan Turner: a job, especially as a developing kid

Ally Brettnacher: Yes. Developing kid. You've got, did your mom and dad both work when you were growing up and so it's like, I don't know how parents do that.

I'm, you know, I'm kind of at the forefront of it now with kids that are eight and four, but yeah, just looking at friends with older kids that are, yeah. Traveling every weekend for sports and it's just all also crazy to me.

Logan Turner: Uh, my, my nephews are in, in travel baseball too, and, you know, tournaments are starting on Thursdays and Fridays and it's like, what are you talking about? Like. Yeah. My, my job's not seasonal. Like

Ally Brettnacher: don't

Logan Turner: I don't clock out in the summers, you know, I'm a teacher, so it is just very unforgiving.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah. Some teachers are gonna come at you

Logan Turner: that. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Because they're like, I work, I work [00:14:00] for this. We know teachers, we love you. okay. So, and then you went to iu. Mm-hmm.

IMG_2537: Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: Were you still kind of falling outta love of

Logan Turner: Yeah. When I went to college, I was not into sports. I obviously, I loved sports, I loved going to the tailgates.

I loved doing all the social aspects to it, but I was not active in club sports or anything like that. Like, I, I probably had a small hiatus where I probably let myself go a little bit, especially getting to college, you know, my first real freedom. Um, and I went to Ivy Tech my freshman year, so I went immediately to having an apartment across from Memorial Stadium next to, uh, I think it's called The Village at the time.

Okay. Party Central. Party Central at IU Bloomington. There you go. So I'm a freshman. All my friends are wanting to come to our house because. We're not in the dorms. Yeah. Or not, we're not in fraternities or anything like that. so it was a very easy to just let yourself go. And

Ally Brettnacher: so wait, Ivy Tech for freshman year, that was still in

Logan Turner: So I went to Ivy Tech Bloomington.

Ally Brettnacher: That Okay. That's

so interesting. I didn't, [00:15:00] that confused me.

Logan Turner: Okay. Yeah.

So they had, they have a small program where there's like a select few, kids that can enroll in Ivy Tech Bloomington, but stay in the dorms and if you don't hit that threshold, you can live off campus, go for a year, transfer into IU Bloomington.

Okay.

Ally Brettnacher: So that's what you did.

Logan Turner: So I basically did all my general ed at Ivy Tech my freshman year. Okay. And then just continued

Ally Brettnacher: but it was almost like the same as being,

Logan Turner: I was living on campus. Yeah. I was in the mix. I just drove to school versus walked for the first year, which really wasn't terrible.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Right.

Logan Turner: it was cheaper.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's so interesting. I had no idea that existed

Logan Turner: at

all. I actually think it's a cheat code now that I look back on it. Right.

Ally Brettnacher: It really sounds like it.

Like you did it. Right. So, okay. So at this point you talk about letting yourself go and I saw a picture Yeah. On your Instagram. I was like, that's Logan. No way. So, and then we talk about wearing, having a black line on your helmet when you're a kid. It sounds like [00:16:00] just like being fat shamed when you're younger.

Were you like a big kid from that point on or were you just like, talk about kind of what happened

Logan Turner: there?

Yeah. I would say I was always on the, on the heavier side of like just my frame in general.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: I'm six two now. I was always a taller kid growing up, but I was also more of like a, just those solid kids that you see growing up. Like they're not scrawny, they're never gonna be scrawny, but maybe they're not just jacked by 15.

Right. You know, you know, should they eat too much? Like they're gonna get fat versus stay jacked or just stay skinny forever.

Ally Brettnacher: Well, Especially

when you burn yourself out in

Logan Turner: Yeah. Yeah. And, and I was, I know when I played sports, I was linebacker, I was catcher first base, so I was always kind of that power role mm-hmm.

In youth sports. And when I kind of quit, I think it's fair to say I quit sports in high school. I did track and field just for the social aspect of it, but I was in shot put. Like, we're not running laps around the track, we're throwing heavy objects. Just having a good time. Yeah. Like that's, that's what track and field was [00:17:00] at that time for us.

but when I got to college, then it was, all right, well. I can drink, I can eat whatever I want. Like I'm not educated in nutrition at that point.

Ally Brettnacher: my gosh. Right.

Logan Turner: it was very easy to just go down a bad rabbit hole. And you know, I, I found myself at two 70, just like one day.

Ally Brettnacher: Damn.

Logan Turner: Which was a lot. Mm-hmm. And I was just like, oh my God. Like, how did this happen?

Yeah.

And at that point I was like, I gotta make some sort of change. But I don't really have a great foundational background in nutrition. This is probably when YouTube like really picked up in terms of the fitness influencer era. And I very much so remember watching YouTube at the. cafeteria in between classes and just like, oh, like, okay, I can go do some of these things, try a few things. And then I just found something that worked for me. Actually, meal prepping in college, um, for a short period of time, really helped. And then I [00:18:00] actually joined not only Cardinal Fitness, which if you went to IU Bloomington in this space, like Cardinal Fitness was the gym for off campus students.

Okay. and I ended up starting to work there. So I was at that gym all the time and found a friend group there, found myself spending all the time there. And then I was like, all right, well how do I, how do I try and lose weight without just completely dismissing my social life? Yeah. Because I'm in my prime drinking age.

If you think about it, you know, I'm probably putting

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: beer pong champ. Yeah. All these things. Like, I can't let that stuff go. I can't let my reputation down. But I somehow found the, the right balance where I could still have a strong social life, be active. And just over the course of, I think a year, year and a half, I think I got back down to like two 20 and Wow.

Before I graduated, I found myself like 1 97, which was the lowest I had gotten at that time. But it wasn't like the sustainable, end goal. Right. You know, I found a good [00:19:00] spot, I think accomplished what I needed to, and then it's like, how do I make this sustainable and find the right lifestyle for me?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Well, that's pretty impressive.

You did that while in

Logan Turner: I don't know how I did it

Ally Brettnacher: I mean,

that's really pretty amazing. Yeah. Although, like I've shared this story before, my whole running journey started in college to like, to stay skinny.

Mm-hmm. Which

was not the right, I mean, I was like punishing myself on the treadmill for a night of drinking instead of using it as a way to like take care of myself.

I was just like, yeah, it was not good. So I totally, I can see where you were and that stuff does sneak up on you too. You're just like, I'm in Vince, eat, drink whatever I want, and then all of a sudden you're like, whoa, okay. I can't really do

Logan Turner: that. Right.

Ally Brettnacher: But that's so impressive that you're like, I'm gonna make a change.

Did you confide in anybody else, like your parents or family did they ever say, Hey man, like you might wanna,

Logan Turner: don't know. So, so my dad was always very focused on fitness. Uh, okay. He was, he was the jack dad of my groups, um, [00:20:00] you know, very active and obviously very supporting in my, in my sports career.

But I think I was probably resistant to his advice growing up. Of course.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I mean, that's how I, I mean, I was the same.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: My

parents ever tried to gimme advice.

Logan Turner: Yeah. So

yeah, there was, there, there were friends, that I, I met at the gym who were there all the time and, Hey, what are you doing? Like, how are you doing this?

And they became somewhat mentors. it's pretty cool. His name's Devin. He actually is a full-time trainer now in his own business and thriving, created his own gym. so it was, it was cool to just meet, new, new people, find ways to, to think about fitness. You know, I got into true weightlifting, a little bit of power lifting and, you know, that kind of re-sparked this new health kick mm-hmm.

Um, that I was maybe craving when you depart a, a long sports journey and you kind of just figuring you're, when you're, you're figuring out life altogether when you're in

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: Trying. But then it's like, well, you know, I, I, I'm finding joy in these movements. Mm-hmm. Okay, now I'm seeing some [00:21:00] results.

Yeah. I wanna get, more of that. So I wanna be kind of addicted to it. So I was.

Ally Brettnacher: was

Logan Turner: I was there on my personal time. I was there for my professional time at, you know, a 20-year-old kid working at a gym's. Not a professional life, but for me it was

at the time. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, so I would go to school, I'd go to the gym party and repeat.

Yeah. That was just kind of my, my thing.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: How it works. I don't know.

It did.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Just, you're like, I don't know. But, um, made it

happen. Yeah.

And what were you studying?

Logan Turner: So, I went to school for kinesiology. Yeah. to begin,

Ally Brettnacher: I

had a friend who studied kinesiology

at iu. I,

Logan Turner: I, I obviously really found a passion for it.

Mm-hmm. Um, I won't go down the entire path, but, I found myself with a. Barrier to micro and macroeconomics. It was just a, a subject and class that I could just, I, it did not click for me. And I found a lot of, joy in the journalism school, I think now is they've retitled it to the school of media.

Okay. But doing things like this, like how do we story, tell, how

Ally Brettnacher: we [00:22:00] mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: mm-hmm. write, how do we create video and how do we do podcasts? And I picked up more and more classes. And then when the macro economics barrier changed, I, I flip flopped. So I actually went to school for journalism and advertising with a focus in kinesiology.

Ally Brettnacher: Wow.

Logan Turner: Not at all what I do today, but that's, that's what I was, was very

Ally Brettnacher: That's, I

mean, you know what I, I always say like, people who knew exactly what they wanted to do and like did it.

Blows my mind because I had zero idea. I was in the business school. They made me pick a major at some at one point, and I still didn't know what I wanted to

do. And that's

how I ended up doing the OR fellowship, which I think you're familiar with. And so then you just kind of get thrown into something and find out what you don't wanna do in a lot of ways.

okay. So then you graduate, you're healthy somewhat now,

Logan Turner: right?

I would say, I would say I was, I was a, a healthy person.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Okay. And then you moved back

Logan Turner: So I moved downtown Indianapolis. Okay. Out of college.

Ally Brettnacher: There you go. You see, you did live a little,

Logan Turner: yeah.

A little bit further. A little bit further. [00:23:00] I, I found my way, and this is where

Ally Brettnacher: I,

Logan Turner: loved downtown Indianapolis.

I was, very fond of

Ally Brettnacher: the

Logan Turner: the S-Y-M-C-A.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm.

Logan Turner: Yeah. Um, that I lived on Mass Ave right nearby the Wrath Gala. So that was a great opening spot, you know, going to the Colts Games. Going to Ralston's was a, a Sunday spot for me. And then that's when the Erse family y. Yeah. Was built kind of in that general area.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: And that's where I met Brie randomly enough. Okay. Was at the, at the

Ally Brettnacher: There it comes. Yep. So how did you meet her? Is she like, on the treadmill and you just walk up, you're like, is this one open?

Logan Turner: Can I, so I think there's a very funny story, and when she hears this she'll, she'll laugh, but I, I'll tell the, the true story.

Ally Brettnacher: Good. That's what

we like.

Logan Turner: So there's, there was always this joke that I look like Zach Aron. ,

Ally Brettnacher: I, you

know what's really funny is I was thinking that, yeah, that's really weird.

So that's funny. Okay.

Logan Turner: Continue. I, I, I, I'm old, I think I'm older than him, so he looks like me, depending on Right. Who and how you ask it, but Sure.

Uh, beyond the point. So there was, uh, [00:24:00] there was a, a couple days where, the Erse family y has a track at the top. Okay. So you would do your weightlifting and then I would go run and see what I can do. And my wife at now, at the time worked with. old friend of mine who was her work bestie, his name's Zach.

And I think one day, ironically, yeah, Zach Starr from the Indiana, and they, I think were on like the ellipticals or, you know, doing something post work. And Brie I think asked Zach like, oh, look, there's that kid who looks like Zach Efron. And as I'm like rounding the track, Zach's like Logan him, like I've known Zach since I was like two.

That's

and it just, it just happened to be kind of a running joke where, we didn't really get formally introduced at that time, but that's where we became somewhat acquainted with one another. Right. And

Ally Brettnacher: so

Logan Turner: funny.

Uh, yeah. And, and one of the other days, maybe following that, know Brie was doing I think stair sprints to go up to the track and down, and

Ally Brettnacher: Geez, [00:25:00] Brie.

Logan Turner: I was like, what is this girl doing? Like Yeah. She like, she's obviously. Has something she is, uh, trying to achieve. We're not just going through general motions on the machines or anything like that. Right. And, you know, I went up to her and like, Hey, like, what are you training for? And she was like, go away kid.

Like Bri's three years older than me and was just, you know, nobody wants to be head on at the gym. And fair enough. I went up to her, I went up to her, especially in the middle of STA sprints. Like that's probably not the

Ally Brettnacher: dude, I

can't breathe.

Logan Turner: Yeah. Yeah. Like, are you going up or down like mid midway through?

I probably broke her train of

Ally Brettnacher: That's so funny.

Logan Turner: you know, we, we exchanged names and then I, you know, led to, I'll see you in the sauna all of a sudden. And then it's like, all right, well go on our first date. And then I feel like ever since then we've pretty much talked every single day. Yeah. So, yeah, meeting randomly at the YMCA, being introduced by someone I've known since I was in diapers, who was her work best friend, how world's collide.

I don't know. That's,

Ally Brettnacher: that's pretty cool. So what, what did she, what did she do at the time?

Logan Turner: So, so Brie went to Butler. Okay. She [00:26:00] played basketball for Butler. Oh, wow. yeah, she's a heck of an athlete. She played overseas in Denmark and then found out that pursuing a professional US based basketball career was not her ideal choice.

Mm-hmm. You know, being away from family, it's a pretty large commitment to, to try and tackle that. Right. so she came back to indie, went into the indie tech scene, tinderbox

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah. Tonga. Okay. Yeah. We talked

Logan Turner: about this. Aptis, I

Ally Brettnacher: I've probably met, I've probably met Brie. Have

Logan Turner: probably have in Indy Tech's.

Small. It is, I think everybody has worked with one another at some capacity of their time here. As long as you stay in the indie scene. Yep. and she has technically been with Conga now for, I think 10 years and Wow. she, yeah. Comes from professional basketball to tech. Powerhouse is what I'll call her.

Yeah. She's got her job. She powerhouse.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wow. That's so, uh, I love that. That's how you met. I thought. I did not know

that. Story. That's

really cool. And how long have you been married now?

Logan Turner: Oh God.

Ally Brettnacher: Come on, you gotta

Logan Turner: do

the math. Wait, I, I think it's [00:27:00] gonna be Eight years.

Eight years

Ally Brettnacher: Yep. Uh, Confidently.

Got it. so during this whole time mm-hmm. You know, you're running around the track at the Y like at what point did you find the endurance side?

Logan Turner: Probably two years ago.

So

Ally Brettnacher: not even, no.

Logan Turner: Then,

then it was probably like, how fast can I run a mile? Okay. not at all. Not at all. Do I wanna go for a run. Actually it was flip flop, like Brie was very much so in her running phase. Okay. And I was like, I'll ride my bike with you. I'm not running. Like, I'm not interested in

Ally Brettnacher: That's

pretty funny now to think

Logan Turner: about.

Yeah. Oh, it's complete opposite. Mm-hmm. But the way I think about it is, I think one of the reasons why I hated running, and I'm sure a lot of people hate running, is we go back to the youth sports world. Totally. Running is ingrained in your system as like a form of punishment. Exactly. Yeah. So I hate it.

I, I was the heavier kid. I was never good at running. I don't wanna run. I suck at running. I can't breathe. Yeah. Why would I want to go do that for fun? For

Ally Brettnacher: fun?

Logan Turner: Yeah. Right. So, you know, that, that kinda went into my adult life where [00:28:00] running is not for me. I'm very much a lifter. That's all I want to be. I I'll ride my bike with you.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: And up until about two and a half years ago, like you would never catch me out for a run.

Interesting.

Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: So what put you over the edge? When did you start running?

Logan Turner: I started running when I became a dad because I needed one, a easy form of exercise. I needed something that was for me and something that could kinda like clear the space.

That's a good processing exercise more than it is a physical

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: for me. It was,

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah.

Logan Turner: So

Ally Brettnacher: did that look like? where did you start running? Were you still downtown

Logan Turner: the time?

So we lived downtown through maybe the second year of COVID. So we were down there for a good four or five years.

we had Ren, who was my second daughter. Okay. She just turned four and we lived on the near East side, downtown small [00:29:00] three bedroom home. Perfect starter home for us. Like we loved the area, but Knew we needed to expand, obviously Nora's requirements, which we'll we'll talk about. Mm-hmm. Uh, I'm from Hamilton County and from this general area, and we knew that this is where we wanted to live.

Yeah. so I would say I really didn't start truly running until we moved to Carmel. Okay. Like, I maybe dabbled in some running. but I was, when we lived downtown, I was also more the bozo who's riding his single speed bike on the cultural trail or, or in the middle of the streets. Yeah. Not to be proud of that.

I didn't do that when I became a father. It was all pre father, but that was definitely more of my, my style. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: That's funny. Picturing you running,

Logan Turner: Bri hates it. Yeah. Now that we think back to it,

IMG_2537: back to it,

Ally Brettnacher: She's like, what were you doing, man?

That thought cool. So, so

you

came up to Carmel.

Now let's, let's go ahead and, and talk about Nora. '

Logan Turner: She's the main reason why I

Ally Brettnacher: she is like, she's, she's it, she is a big piece of this, this story. So, okay. So Nora just turned six. Yep. On July 31st.

Logan Turner: Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, I Did we [00:30:00] know

that? I

Logan Turner: think so. But when I saw your Instagram post, I was like, wait,

Ally Brettnacher: that's the same. I got confused when, 'cause I think you post, I can't remember if you post it like the day after whatever. I'm like doing the, you know, yesterday I'm like, what was yesterday? Really close to Sydney's birthday. And so they share a birthday. Sydney just turned eight. Okay.

Logan Turner: Okay.

Ally Brettnacher: So, and yeah, Sonora is six.

So, so you have Nora tell, tell us about becoming a dad and when you and Brie started just noticing things were different.

Logan Turner: Mm-hmm. So, let's see. Nora was born in 2019 and you know, if everybody does, does the math. We've been

Ally Brettnacher: married

Logan Turner: eight years. Nora's six. Like we knew we wanted to have a family.

Relatively quick. Yeah. we didn't know exactly what the end goal was for two kids, three kids, four kids. But we knew that we wanted to have a family fairly quick. so we had Nora. I still think, and this is probably just because I'm her dad, I still think she's like the prettiest baby I've ever seen.

Uh, and I'll, I'll vote for that. but we had noran, it rocked [00:31:00] our worlds, just like it does for every single parent when they first come home from the

Ally Brettnacher: hospital, Yeah.

Logan Turner: you're driving in the right lane, 20 under, you know, you're very paranoid the first night of sleep, making sure child's breathing. Mm-hmm. And, you know, that was a, a shift that we were excited about.

Uh, we always wanted to be parents. I always wanted to be a dad. Mm-hmm. Um, I didn't really know what it meant at the time, but I, you know, I looked forward to it. Yeah. And when

Ally Brettnacher: come straight home from the hospital? Like normal? Everything was like normal birth came home. Yeah.

Logan Turner: Yeah. Okay.

So, you know, we had a normal pregnancy and we came home.

Life looked a little bit different 'cause I think we were, we hadn't started COVID yet, so this is still pre COVID. Yeah. Um, so yeah, we came home, you know, we had paternity and maternity plans and just enjoyed our new form of life. Mm-hmm. You know, a lot of walking through Woodruff Place and, you know, over the course of the next few months, kids develop, kids grow, they start doing new things.

Mm-hmm. And, you know, we had some, some thoughts [00:32:00] of what we thought typical developing child, our children should be doing. You know, it wasn't doing those things, but it wasn't like something super alarming.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. 'cause people, every people will tell you, oh, kids are all

Logan Turner: Yeah. Everybody's on their own timeline.

Yeah. And we truly believe that. Right. So we, we really didn't think anything of

Ally Brettnacher: it. Yeah.

Logan Turner: And we didn't really have a reason to either. I mean, if you saw Nora at that time, even three months, four months, five months, six months, like she's maybe just a little bit delayed in. Had of control sitting up, crawling

Mm-hmm.

You know,

all fours position, things like that. and then COVID started to take place and Nora actually went into an in-home daycare system, kind of in the downtown area as Brie went back to work.

Okay. And, you know, I know everybody was impacted differently because of COVID. Mm-hmm. Um, for us in that exact moment, I would say it was actually somewhat of a blessing because when COVID came about, everybody returned home,

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.

right?

Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: So this was probably month nine of Nora's [00:33:00] life. it was maybe a Saturday or Sunday morning where we were just enjoying our front porch. It was a place we really loved, spending our time. And Nora's body collapsed a little bit. She was hitting my lap and more of like a head drop, not even like a full body collapse, but it was maybe a, a second or two.

Mm-hmm. And. it's kinda like, Bria, did you see that? Like, what was that? And she'd just snap right back, go, go about her day. And then it happened again. And

Ally Brettnacher: in that same

Logan Turner: yeah, it was maybe, maybe three or four minutes and it happened three times. And the last one we got a video of it. And

Ally Brettnacher: yeah,

Logan Turner: we were just like, what, what was that?

And you know, babies do weird things and you know, maybe, maybe it was a baby thing. Mm-hmm. But like, for some reason this just felt different. So obviously we, we send the video to our pediatrician. Okay, let's, let's have her come in. Let's, let's take a look. Let's maybe, let's see what these could be. And that wasn't really helpful.

Not necessarily to our pediatrician's fault, but like you can't really study anything that's on a video if you don't have like a tangible item to inspect. Yeah. So [00:34:00] we kind of just went back to, to normal life and then we found ourselves. Changing a diaper, for instance, we're on the, the changing table in a room.

Mm-hmm. And then her arms would come up and they just they'd extend for a few seconds and then they'd go back to normal. Maybe just another, another couple seconds over the course of a 10 minute, uh, spam,

Ally Brettnacher: get

Logan Turner: another video, send that to our pediatrician. She's like, okay, I, I think I might know what's taking place, but I think we need to go see other professionals.

And she referred us to a neurologist who essentially called us and said, we need to come in for an overnight study. Uh, we think these might be what's called infantile spasms, which is a very early form of seizures. So essentially those body movements, the head drops, the arm extending, were seizures. And she very well could have been having those significantly more than what we could tell.

Right. Because if you, if you turn your head, you can miss '

em. Yeah.

Um, there were times where in those same early days where her eyes would just [00:35:00] roll just so real quick like that. But she's seizing and, you know, we are brand new parents. There's a ton of rule books on our guideline books on like, here's how you can parent.

But there's nothing like really helpful as far as when things go wrong.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. When there's just like weird

Logan Turner: stuff. Right. So which

Ally Brettnacher: there is so much

weird stuff Yeah. That nobody

Logan Turner: about.

Right. We're all trying to figure it out. Yeah. Um, so we go into, our neurologist gets seen and they ask us to go in for our first overnight brain scan, which is a, an EEG, where there's probably anywhere from like 40 to 60 wires tied to Nora's head and plugged into a, a scanner or a wall essentially.

Ally Brettnacher: How

do they do it with her hair?

Logan Turner: thank goodness. Nora has not had to have her head shaved. Yeah, because that's

Ally Brettnacher: what

I thought. I'm like, oh

Logan Turner: my

gosh. That sounds like, yeah. Well that's a big fear of ours. Yeah. Um, but they're basically glued. and it just, it just tracks read through. It reads her brain activity.

Ally Brettnacher: Wow. That's wild.

Logan Turner: But what was really hard with this is because [00:36:00] it was COVID, I couldn't go there. So it was just Brie, oh, poor Brie and Nora. And we have a full set of emotions about what's happening. Mm-hmm. Brie's in the hospital with Nora trying to do normal life things, breastfeed care for a child, but then have plenty of providers come breathe down your neck about what's happening.

Whereas I'm, I remember very clearly I was sitting in my garage crying because I'm like, what's happening? I'm by myself. I can't be there for them.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. What

the hell are you supposed to do?

Logan Turner: Just sit there with my thoughts and hope everything goes well. But that's the worst. You know, I remember like we were FaceTiming and like we weren't talking.

But we would just sit there and FaceTime to mm-hmm. Somewhat try and make this feel normal.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. That's,

Logan Turner: so that was at Nora's nine months of life. Okay. So we come back from that. Obviously we capture real seizures. there's so many different types of seizures and, you know, I've been doing this for I little over five and a five years now mm-hmm.

Of Nora formally being diagnosed. and I still can't tell you all the [00:37:00] different types of seizures, but, after coming home from that, we had to go through all this genetic testing and, you know, there's, there's preliminary genetic testing on the early stages of pregnancy, but they don't, they don't study everything.

It's,

Ally Brettnacher: Right. There's so many

Logan Turner: Yeah. There's, there's maybe. I could be saying this wrong, but maybe 20 different abnormalities that they, they track Sure. Downstream being a one.

Mm-hmm.

And after a long study, we found out that Nora was technically diagnosed with something called Dupe 15 Q, which is the duplication of the 15th chromosome rare, rare genetic disorder. And it was kind of like a, a lottery draw and not necessarily the lottery you wanna win, right. It was a very small percentage of kids that have it. and that was obviously a hard news because we're still in a world where we don't get access to a lot of things because of c

Ally Brettnacher: We

Logan Turner: a very serious diagnosis in our hands.

And then I go back to the guidebook for

parenting.

Those all go in the trash because they're not relevant to [00:38:00] us. And there's no rule book for how to work with a, a medically complex child like Nora. So rocked our world

to

Ally Brettnacher: to mention

you're both working.

I mean, parents. It's just

like,

Logan Turner: Yeah.

I mean, coming home from just the hospital stay, I remember having a, and this is not at all a, a, a slam to my employer at the time or breeze, but like, we still have jobs to do and I've got Nora, you know, we're, we're co-parenting full-time jobs like many people did. Yeah. Throughout COVID. But for us, like, I, I truly think we try to not break eye contact with Nora, I would say for a solid two years.

Simply because seizures are not what you experience in the movies where like someone falls in their

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: Their, seizing and foam and like, that's not the type of Caesars that Nora had. Like, it was just that, that very stare, gaze that most people probably think is normal. Mm-hmm. Or like just a little odd.

Mm-hmm. But like, we had to count them because. How do you treat seizures through medication?

Ally Brettnacher: How

do you know [00:39:00] what

Logan Turner: medication,

how do you know what medication works? We basically were counting how many times she would seize a day, a week, a month and report it. Okay. So it's

Ally Brettnacher: did you keep track? Did you literally like, have a

Logan Turner: of paper? We have a, we'd have a notes tab on our, on our phone. We'd have a, a shared tab and it was date, volume, duration

Oh my gosh. Type.

And we just saw the list grow and grow and grow and it's, it's trial and error for remediation of it. I can't tell you how many different medications we've been on. We're still going through that today, six years later.

Yeah. So it's just a, it's a very difficult thing to do for just watching your child suffer and not have any answers on how to help them.

Yeah. So

Ally Brettnacher: she is she.

so preventing

the seizures. Obviously you don't have seizures, but what does it, is it painful for her?

Is it something that if you can't treat it right, like if she goes through a seizure that lasts too long, it can cause more problems? What is,

Logan Turner: so I would, Nora's [00:40:00] nonverbal. So, you know, her being sick now, like she can't communicate these things to us. But no, I, I feel like I know her very, very well. now I can't answer it as to if they're painful, but based off of her reaction and her bounce back, I would say no.

I would don't even, I don't honestly ask if does she even aware that she's having

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Okay.

Logan Turner: because Nora is very resilient. but there's, but there's been times where I give, they're a little bit more serious and longer, like she needs to lay down, like she needs to rest.

Ally Brettnacher: freak. It probably freaks her out too

Logan Turner: it's, yeah, I mean, she gets extremely fatigued, immediately after, as you would probably suspect, like your brain's hyperactive and just crashes.

it's almost like a reboot system and

Ally Brettnacher: and

Logan Turner: you know, Nora would lay down, but then once that period. Is over, she'd be doing back to doing her. Mm-hmm. Normal everyday things. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: And the medication, is it like an oral medication, like a pill? Is it an injection? Uh,

Logan Turner: it's, it's a combination. like most kids medication's very difficult to Right.

To give.

And that's why I'm like, even [00:41:00] Tylenol,

it gets spit out. yeah. So, so we, we've been on a number of medications that are oral, liquid based, but I, I kid you not, there's one that I had to sign a waiver that she could go blind because of the seizure medication. And you know, those are some of the decisions I had to make at 26, at the 27 at the time because I had known when we were, when I was 26.

Wow. so as a 26, 20 7-year-old, I'm making decisions on is this medication worth the potential impact of her going blind in her peripherals? And thankfully like that never happened. And, you know, we've trialed that medication, it didn't work and we moved on from

Ally Brettnacher: it. Yeah.

Logan Turner: That's been Nora's history with just seizure control.

Mm-hmm. And,

you know, not to to talk too long about medication,

Ally Brettnacher: but like

Logan Turner: the medical industry doesn't really care about preference for kids like Nora. I had to sprinkle pills. I, I had to break pills open and sprinkle them in her mouth and hope that she will take them. And,

Ally Brettnacher: ugh.

Logan Turner: sometimes society will say, oh, well, why don't you just put it on [00:42:00] applesauce and feed it to her?

Do you really don't think I did, haven't tried that or thought through that. Like, I mean, kids will spit out anything that does not

Ally Brettnacher: taste Totally.

Logan Turner: I, but I'm the, I'm also in, in the responsible hands of.

Ally Brettnacher: of

Logan Turner: 80% of this medication's not gonna do the trick. She needs a hundred percent of it. It's like I need to have control to make sure she gets all of it.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: if that's me somewhat prying open her mouth and making sure the sprinkles get in. Like that's what I have to do.

Ally Brettnacher: I've, I mean, I have held down my child, my husband and I have like, sat on top of our kid to get, I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do

as

a parent. Yeah. Yeah. So there is, yeah. I mean, it's like, I can only imagine.

Logan Turner: Yeah. So we've been, we've been down that journey for six years and it's something I hope we can one day be c free, but that's not a reality right now.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. So, okay. And then Ren is four.

Yep. So

at what point did you re you're like, well, we're still gonna have our family, we're still gonna,

you

probably asked the doctors like, is this gonna happen to our next kid? Like, what's the chance of that? What would that

conversation

Logan Turner: like? So we knew that, coming outta marriage, we wanted to have a [00:43:00] family. Mm-hmm. Um.

Having Nora was, was very difficult. still is in, in its own way, but we knew that there was still more to life than what we're living right now.

Logan Turner: Yeah. And we knew that we, we wanted to also give Nora more resources inside our family.

Yeah, that's true.

So, you know, we did our genetic testing. We knew that we were not carriers of Dupe 15 Q but you know, there could be some scenarios that maybe, like, you just never

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Right. What a,

you

Logan Turner: know what, what's really tough is, you know, I remember being in the ultrasound room and like, oh, well, you know, it's a 99% chance that this isn't gonna happen.

I was like, well, we've already hit the 1%. Uh, yeah. Or

Ally Brettnacher: like

less

than so,

Logan Turner: so like that doesn't that, that actually doesn't help me at all. I'd rather you say nothing. Yeah. it, you know, ha, getting to to have Ren was tough mentally just praying that Yeah. What we believed to be Okay. Is truly okay. And I think it was until. The amniocentesis that I think, I can't remember, 16, 17 weeks into the [00:44:00] process were just kind of on edge, like, what's gonna happen? Yeah. And, and thankfully her, her genetic report came back, typical as we expected.

Mm-hmm.

And that's like the first time that we could breathe and like, okay,

Ally Brettnacher: well

Logan Turner: we have a healthy, I hate that word, healthy 'cause norm's healthy, but we have a typical developing child.

Yeah. And Ren was one of the best things that could happen to us because we saw what a typical developing child looked like from day one to should just turn four and starts pre-K.

Mm-hmm.

And it's just been amazing to have kind of two different forms of parenting. Yeah. You know, with Nora where we don't get to share the same things that most parents have.

Our journey's way different. Mm-hmm. But for rent, it's also like, well now we can go to the park.

Ally Brettnacher: park.

Logan Turner: We can go to soccer, we can open presents on Christmas with excitement, right? Mm-hmm. and that led to Dylan, our, our third kiddo who just turned one. So all three girls. And it's just like, right? [00:45:00] Yes. Our household's very full.

Our, our attention span is, you know, very allocated to our family. We went from 2 1 1 defense to man to man, and now we're back in zone.

But it's the best thing ever because Dylan just turned one. She's walking, she's socializing, she's playing with Ren Re's, playing with her.

IMG_2537: And

Ally Brettnacher: Nora's

Logan Turner: independent. Like Nora likes her space, but Dylan is very interested in Nora right now.

And I don't know if it's an energy thing, like Ren is very energetic, very social, very happy, but maybe a little bit too much for Nora. So they kind of butt heads a little bit. But Dylan with maybe just her demeanor right now, just very curious and soft and gentle, loves going up to Nora

Ally Brettnacher: and just

Logan Turner: patting her on the back and, you know, maybe trying to poke her eye or something.

But she, she's very sweet and, and Nora appreciates, Dylan and, and as a parent,

Ally Brettnacher: like

Logan Turner: you always want your kids to interact with one another, right? We didn't know what that would look like with Ren, with Dylan, all of them together. But it's [00:46:00] nice that we, we have the, the right balance that we were craving for.

Mm-hmm. And again, you know, as I get older, it's nice to see them grow together. Yeah. And I also think about. Life way down the path.

Mm-hmm.

Where okay, Nora's got other resources to support her. 'cause we don't know what that would look like. Right. Totally. Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: Totally.

Well, I mean, it's very normal for the middle child to bother

Logan Turner: older one too, right?

Yeah. Because yeah,

Ally Brettnacher: that's a

reality. I just picture, I have a 4-year-old too, and I just picture that dynamic with no Nora you know, putting her in the shoes of my oldest and they just, I mean, they play and love each other, but they drive each other

nuts.

Logan Turner: So it's nice to have as the star

Ally Brettnacher: quote

unquote, normal like dynamic. Yeah.

and it's, yeah, what a blessing for Nora to have siblings that will care for her. And not only that, but can help other kids understand

Logan Turner: Mm-hmm. That's a really important piece,

Ally Brettnacher: that not everybody's the

same. Yeah. why, and you and I kind of met through Ainsley's Angels, the organization that I have run with before, where I'm pushing somebody who has [00:47:00] some kind of disability.

And it just made me realize this is so important for my kids to see and understand because. They don't see that every

day. So that's pretty cool that Nora has these sisters that are gonna

grow up.

And

knowing her and loving her and being able to help other people understand what that's like. Like

Logan Turner: Like as you know,

probably

closer to three is when the questions just start firing all the time. Yeah. And you know, nor had just started walking not even a year ago. She's nonverbal looks way different when a 3-year-old is trying to interact with her sister and Rens walking and running throughout the house and Nora's crawling.

Yeah. Rens asking all these questions, trying to play, but Nora's not responding. So it's been interesting, but also I've enjoyed it. Like, of Ren just being naturally curious. Yeah. And I'm not trying to force Ren to. Configure her development to Nora. So letting her just generally ask like, why does Nora not do these [00:48:00] things right?

But like being very real and trying to, trying to put it in a three-year-old's, vocabulary

Ally Brettnacher: Gosh, that's so

Logan Turner: hard

to explain. But, you know, you, you mentioned a really good point though, that it's important for her to know

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Logan Turner: but, you know, you, you mentioned a really good point though, that it's important for her to know

one, who her sister is, but not based off of what she can't do. And I think that will help maybe other [00:49:00] people kind of understand that too.

Ally Brettnacher: That's really

powerful.

Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

And we'll do it again with Dylan. Yeah. You know, here in the next two years.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

But Nora,

I love that you said Nora started walking because they told, didn't the doctors tell you that she probably would never

Logan Turner: walk?

Yeah. So let's see. We get home from the overnight study. We get the genetic report, formal diagnosis.

Okay. What's next? we were introduced to just a couple different therapists. Through First Steps, which is a, a program here that's available to kids. Started with pt, speech, occupational therapy. So like we, we flooded the gates with what Nora has access to, because at least with first steps, like there's a, I think a three year cap.

Uh, once you turn three, you kind of graduate out of it. Mm. and we needed some early intervention just, just to see what we need to be working on as parents, because caring for her just looks different now. And we were introduced to a physical therapist named Maggie, who was wonderful [00:50:00] for Nora, you know, really came to, they all came to our house, which is great, and worked with Nora in her setting.

And,

Ally Brettnacher: you know,

Logan Turner: those were tough things to do because Nora's being challenged in ways that she just, her body doesn't know how and her brain doesn't know how to respond. And throughout the diagnosis process, a lot of the providers are like, well, we don't really know what that looks like because there's such a wide spectrum

Ally Brettnacher: where.

Logan Turner: Kids could be functional, not, maybe not functional in society on their own, but they could be fully dependent. And that was a tough pill to swallow of, like, what's that look like? Because nor is turning one, not doing things that one year olds look like. We still are looking at childcare, like that's a completely different dynamic of getting someone to care for your child when you have to go to work, you want a date night.

Like those, those are just complicated. And then you add in seizures and people are a little scared of that. And they rightfully so. Right? Rightfully so. Like I don't blame them for

that. [00:51:00] Yeah.

but yeah, they were, they were basically told us like, we don't know if she'll ever talk. We don't know if she'll ever walk.

And truthfully, I don't know what her quality of life will be like. She may be six, but her brain might be one. It may always be one. Mm-hmm. It goes back to the rule book that those don't exist. You just, you take it day by day. Yeah. Yeah. And you, you do what you can. Mm-hmm.

but the reason I, I, I mentioned to Maggie, uh, specifically is she had kids of her own.

So like, she was, she was our therapist for I think the first year of Nora's life, our life post-diagnosis day. Mm-hmm. And like, she was a, just a huge advocate for us. And here's like the things that we should be on the lookout for. Here's other services that are available, here's what you guys can do for play.

Mm-hmm. 'cause again, like we're parents, we wanna play with her kids. Yeah. How do I play with Nora? She's not interested in all the toys that everybody else is.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: so she was a huge help for us both in what we can do for Nora, but also kind of helped set it right expectations for. How to think about life.

Mm-hmm. [00:52:00] Um, with an Nora and she's actually become a very close friend of ours and like still sees Nora today. And, she, she was a blessing for us Yeah. And helped us get, access to things we weren't aware of, like Medicaid and Medicare and state resources. And what does that allow us to, to do with care

Ally Brettnacher: for Nora?

I

mean, that's a

whole thing. it's a wide, thing. I

Logan Turner: like I'm still trying to grasp it.

Ally Brettnacher: I

mean, I can't even imagine how hard that is.

Yeah.

To navigate, not to mention money, like all the

money stuff

and insurance. And we could have a whole podcast just

Logan Turner: on that.

Yeah. I could, I I

Ally Brettnacher: we could

have a whole podcast, like ever like a hundred episodes. Yeah.

Logan Turner: Just

on that. I could talk forever on it because I'm still trying to figure it out. Yeah. It's that unclear.

Ally Brettnacher: Well,

yeah.

Logan Turner: what change And it's

Ally Brettnacher: changes

Logan Turner: and

Ally Brettnacher: you're like, great, I

thought I understood this. Now they changed it. Right. Yeah. I mean, just insane.

Yeah.

So

this might be a good time to segue into obviously, what you're doing to help raise funds to continue to [00:53:00] allow

Nora to

have the best quality of life.

Mm-hmm. Go to these therapies because yeah, that's stuff's not covered by your typical insurance.

And,

and I just love what you're doing to raise awareness. And so you are currently what A month out from as we record this Prairie on Fire, which is a backyard ultra marathon.

so I'll definitely like link to all that. We wanna support you there. But what I wanna know is how did the running with Nora start? Yeah. Like when did you figure out that that's something you could do together and kind of tell that story. Yeah.

Logan Turner: So we moved up to Carmel. Main reason why is when it's a beautiful area. But it's also very resource heavy for kids like Nora. And it's very accepting, uh, at least in like the school district, like they have a solid program. Whereas when we live downtown I cannot trust IPS to, you know, hopefully have good care for Nora.

Mm-hmm.

now things have changed since then, but to get into the love of running that looks [00:54:00] way different than it did when I was saying I hated running because it was a form of punishment. there's a lot of heavy thoughts with our day to day and space is just sometimes the best way to go about working through that.

And

Ally Brettnacher: you're

Logan Turner: you're not gonna get that space when you're squatting or bench pressing or deadlifting and, and doing formal weight training. So I was like, you know what? Let's, let's go for a walk. And then a walk became a run. And at that point in time, Nora grew a little bit older and, you know, started crawling at age two, so.

Had head control, maybe not full body control, but I was also like,

Ally Brettnacher: well,

Logan Turner: let's just get a running stroller and see what happens. And that was probably the kickstart to my journey now, where we did the caramel 5K maybe three years ago.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

Logan Turner: And, excuse me, let me say the 10 K. I wanted to challenge myself the 10 K, and I took [00:55:00] Nora, Brie took Ren.

I actually trained for, it was hard. Like I, I still broke down like maybe four miles into

Ally Brettnacher: I

Logan Turner: And I was like, all right, well, you know, we've got something here. Like motion is a stimulus input for Nora. So it brings a calming sense to her. Mm-hmm. And like when sometimes our anxiety builds up, you know, I'm, I'm seeking some form of stimulation or I can't communicate.

Sometimes it's going for a walk. Kind of help. Calm the calm the waters a little bit. So, you know, she's getting a mutual benefit from it. I'm gaining from something of it. Why don't we do more of it?

And then

it was, you know, we, we just picked up a, a cheap free running stroller at that time. But as Aurora continued to grow older, we're like, all right, well this is, this is gonna be a little bit different 'cause she's not walking.

So she is fully dependent on me carrying her right now. And my wife Brie bought, the white stroller for my birthday and for those who have seen me run with this, it's, I, I joke about it, but it's kind of real. [00:56:00] It, it, it looks like a pack and play on a wheels I get

Ally Brettnacher: Does. Massive. Yeah,

it's huge. What is does is w an acronym?

Logan Turner: no, I think it's the brand. The brand W the W Stroller. Um, but it's also a, a bike stroller too, so there's a little bit more functionality behind it.

Ally Brettnacher: Maybe it's 'cause of walking and biking w

Logan Turner: WIC that we might have just solved the code.

Ally Brettnacher: Hmm.

Logan Turner: The good.

Branding. Yeah.

Yeah,

yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

IMG_2537: Yeah.

Logan Turner: But that was a probably one of the best things I've ever been gifted.

And the Carmel Marathon was a month away from that. So my birthday's at the beginning of March, Carmel marathon's in April, typically. And I, I had been running more and more with Nora over the course of that whole year. Mm-hmm. But that's, it wasn't anything serious. It was all just recreational. Yeah. At that point.

And I may have done a spontaneous half marathon, but nothing with Nora. Yeah. And with the Carmel marathon being so centrally located to our house, like I could walk to the starting line, the courses around our house, and it's very [00:57:00] accessible for spectators. I was like, let's go do it. So I, uh, I registered, but I also asked the race director to give Nora a slot.

Mm-hmm. So I could actually give her a bib, get her name called Yeah. Get her a medal. Yeah. And. We grinded through it. It was hard, you

Ally Brettnacher: know?

What

year was this then?

Logan Turner: 23.

This was two years ago. Okay. so yeah, 2023 and, you know, we had a blast doing

Ally Brettnacher: it.

Logan Turner: I think what's unique about my running experience with Nora is I'm not necessarily just caring about myself, but I'm also caretaking throughout it because, I'm not a fast runner.

I'm not running sub four hour marathons. You know, I think our first marathon together was like five hours and five hours for nor to be in that stroller is a lot. Yeah. So how do I think about diapers? How do I think about food? How do I think about water? But then also how do I take care of myself? So it's a, there's a science behind it that, you know, over the course of the last two years, I think we've really nailed it and has [00:58:00] allowed us to do the things we have.

But what's really special about that first coma marathon is when we were coming up the hill to the finish line, the race director, and I don't know if he calls everybody his name. Because that's a lot of people, but he called out Nora's name and my name and for, for the people who were still there because it's five and a half hours later.

Yeah. were cheering and, and clapping and you know, we had family there and it became like eventually, our race, like our focal race every single year. Yeah. And that

Ally Brettnacher: was a,

Logan Turner: a dopamine hit that I would ever wanted to let go of. I was like, okay, well I've got something here. Like I'm not great at it now, but what if I spent more time doing it and then I just do it with Nora.

Mm-hmm. And I get her the opportunity to experience sports in her own unique

Ally Brettnacher: own way. Yeah.

Logan Turner: And it's a while to where it's led us since that caramel marathon.

It

is. And myself included,

Ally Brettnacher: right. Yeah. Yeah.

Logan Turner: Well

Ally Brettnacher: Well then of course, this year, wait, so, okay, 23. Did you do it in 24?

Logan Turner: That's, excuse [00:59:00] me. The 2023 is when I did the 10 K. 24 is when,

Ally Brettnacher: oh, sorry.

Okay.

Okay. Okay. And then, yeah. And then

WW This year.

Logan Turner: I was very, very bummed that the storms came through that morning because this was redemption. Like, okay, we're gonna do this again. Like that. It is a, a family event

Ally Brettnacher: now.

Yeah. Yeah. Ugh.

Logan Turner: but to go back to, uh, the year prior, we're pregnant for Dylan at the time. Oh yeah. And the full MO comes and I was like, well, it's only five miles more. And you know, I get the title of a ultra marathon runner. How cool would that be able to say, Nora is run an ultra marathon too?

Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. So for people who don't know mm-hmm. The full MO is a 50 K ultra marathon down the Monan trail, which is a paved rail trail.

Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: So I was like, let's do it. And again, it's, it's going down my neighborhood, it's going down the trails I run every single day. Like, if something goes wrong, I'll just turn left and walk home.

Right.

But we sure enough, we, we got there. I, I remember so clearly because again, to the science of it, [01:00:00] I drove to the start line, got the white stroller out and started running. Like, I, we didn't have any prep. We didn't have any warmup. It was get this stroller out, put Nora in and go, because it's gonna be a long day.

Yeah.

And we got to about the palladium area, so about halfway a little over. Okay. And that's when I saw Brie and Ren, spectating making signs for us and cheering us on. And I'm at the point of my run, I'm like, huh,

Ally Brettnacher: I

Logan Turner: I don't know how I'm gonna keep doing this. Like, Nora's getting fussy, like my body's hurting.

I'm a little bit dehydrated,

but

Bri's. Seven and a half months

Ally Brettnacher: pregnant.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

I'm not gonna continue running another 20 miles and leave my seven month pregnant wife with my, at the time, 2-year-old and 4-year-old. Like that's not a good decision. Yeah. But I decided, okay, we're gonna push through this and we're gonna find a way to make it happen and we're gonna, we're gonna do this.

And sure enough, we did. And it was very cool to cross that [01:01:00] milestone of, okay, I myself am a ultra marathon runner, however you wanna look at the elevation and challenge of the course, but 31 miles is 31 miles, whatever, right? Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: There's no

asterisk

Logan Turner: No. But then I was like, you know what? I also just pushed my kid for 31 miles.

Like, I don't know anybody who's done that, that I'm aware of. So I was like, okay, well, like we're putting ourselves in the category of our own and even more so I was like, all right,

Ally Brettnacher: well

Logan Turner: if that's gonna allow me to do more races, it's gonna let me bond more with Nora through activity and sports. Like, why would I not wanna just keep finding ways to do this?

Yeah. Yeah. And that like really heightened my addiction to, to endurance sports. Yeah. to where it is today. Like, I've only been doing this for two years, but the last two years has been pretty wild.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh yeah. I would

Logan Turner: say. Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: Well, and you've done 70.3, you've done couple of Ironman

Logan Turner: too.

So I joined, a men's group that was focused on, triathlons at the [01:02:00] time because I wanted to do the sprint try in Eagle Creek.

I just wanted to get into something else, like, okay, I've enjoyed running, like. What else is out there? And at the time of when I joined, there was four other guys who were gonna be racing in, uh, Ironman 70.3 in Muncie. Okay, well, 10 weeks is probably a little bit of stretch for nobody who doesn't, probably doesn't even have a bike yet for that type of race.

Like, I'm not gonna ride a single speed.

but

I was up for work and I was like, let's, let's do something cool and let's test what you can do. And you know, sure enough, three or two and a half years later, I've done three of them and it's been, uh, a joy to connect with people, uh, like my coach Ryan of tribal training.

Uh, we've got 50 people throughout the US that we, you know, all find these races, uh, century to join together and, and take down. So we've done three, I've done personally three of the half Ironmans, maybe a full Ironman in, in time, but it's a, it's a very disruptful, event on a young family. We did [01:03:00] a 50 mile run in Elephant Mountain in Arizona this past February.

Geez. Yeah. Which is fun. I've got a, a hilarious story that I can, can share with you there. but then also here locally, just a couple buddies. Let's, let's go rock. And we'd done a a hundred K and a 50 K ruck through Eagle Creek, which

Ally Brettnacher: just

on your

Logan Turner: own,

Ally Brettnacher: like I

Logan Turner: like Yeah. Un yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: yeah. Like, not org like not an organized

Logan Turner: had like eight guys start the a hundred k.

That is, and I think we had four finish and it was

Ally Brettnacher: just,

Logan Turner: we're gonna start at 4:00 AM and we're gonna go and until we finish, and I think we did in like 23 hours.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It sounds like you could create something there too, if

Logan Turner: you

wanted. Yeah.

And

I think that's also why, you know, I've enjoyed Rucking because I, I feel like there's a huge durability gain,

to like late race breakdown.

Yeah. But it's also a low effort, like a low intense effort in the

moment.

Ally Brettnacher: So, 'cause when you're rucking

Logan Turner: you

Ally Brettnacher: don't jog at

Logan Turner: all.

Probably. I, I don't, I, I, I call it my power walk. Like I'm trying to clip 14 minute

[01:04:00] miles walking. You're walking

with a

purpose. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But like when I go to the 50 mile, like I would say the rucking is a huge reason I was able to successfully finish that, you know?

Yeah. Here in Carmel we have maybe a hundred foot elevation at everywhere you

Ally Brettnacher: look. Right.

Logan Turner: And then I go to Arizona. This race has 7,000 feet of elevation gain.

Oh my gosh. Just wrecked.

Ally Brettnacher: That's insane. Yeah. That's a lot. 50 miles.

Mm-hmm.

Okay. So just back up for a second. Where, how did you find tribal training?

Like what?

And joined just like the internet.

Logan Turner: There's a, a couple guys here locally that I did the r with who Okay. Are affiliated with tribal training. So I found Ryan through Twitter, but Okay. kind of indirectly through also a few locals here. Huh.

Ally Brettnacher: And

just

Logan Turner: out of a wind was like, I'll. Weirdly commit to a men's group through Twitter and hope I don't lose out on my

Ally Brettnacher: money.

I hope nobody murders me either. I'm just kidding.

Logan Turner: was like, yeah, that this could be the stupidest idea, but it turned out to be, an entry point [01:05:00] to a new joy of Yeah. What I'm capable of

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

So the 50 miler this, this year,

Logan Turner: February,

uh, I guess this

Ally Brettnacher: February, or

the year. It

Logan Turner: past February. Okay. Yeah, it was this past February.

I know, believe it or not, it's crazy at lose sense of

Ally Brettnacher: like, Wait,

what? H what, what, what year is it? What day is it? No idea. I feel you. So do they typically then have like an event or two throughout the year that they're like, Hey, come do this if you can?

Logan Turner: Yeah. So we do a couple different team races. Chattanooga, half Ironman.

Okay. Yeah. Was the, the Half Ironman team race? I think they did. They're, they're going to do Ironman, California this year. Okay. We do a, a long endurance event, which was the 50 miler. Okay. But then the full MO and the Prairie on Fire, are also team events. Like we're very close with tj.

That's

awesome. Um, so like the Prairie on Fire.

Yeah. One of our teams is, I think one of the six that were mentioned like Fishers Geist.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. Um,

Logan Turner: obviously MTC, but tribal training will also have like team representation

Ally Brettnacher: that's really cool. Yeah. Okay. Do they have like a home base?

Logan Turner: I would say our coach is [01:06:00] based in Denver. Okay. Longmont formally, but we we're so scattered.

Ally Brettnacher: that it's just like,

it's

just is everywhere. Yeah.

So, okay.

Tell me the funny story about

the 50 miler.

Logan Turner: So my goal for this race was to finish, right? Like, I don't know how to properly train for a 50 mile with 7,000 foot of elevation and I don't wanna be the last person. 'cause our original goal was to try and run this as a team.

Like we wanna have everybody start and everybody finish together. And for someone like myself who. A year and a half into endurance sports at the time.

oh my

gosh. With people who've been doing this for years and years and

years. Yeah.

I was like, I don't wanna be the caboose. Yeah. Crawling and, and maybe failing at that.

Sure. but sure enough we got

Ally Brettnacher: there.

Logan Turner: You know, I could tell you the full story, but where it gets really funny is that mile 40, just gassed at this point. Like, I've taken in so much fuel that I feel like I

Ally Brettnacher: could just

Logan Turner: vomit at any moment. But I've also been trained to like, Hey, maybe that's not a good idea because I can just be so [01:07:00] dehydrated and Right.

You know, I'm at my, at that time, I'm by myself. You know, it, the sun just sat, so I'm kind of in the middle of the mountains by myself. 40 miles in a little bit delusional.

Mm-hmm.

And one of, my buddies comes up behind me and he's one of the pacers and he was pacing an athlete who was behind me at the time because I chose to just keep going through the aid stations.

Like I, I, I had so much feel on me. I didn't really want to stop. Yeah. Because I was kind of flirting with some time cutoffs, but I was like, I just need to keep moving. Yeah. I'll, I'll see you guys when I see you. So they, they were running and, you know, ran past me and I yelled his name. I was like, Zach, I, I need you with me.

Like, I'm really struggling right now. In the, in the guys who are pacing are, are going at it pretty strong. Yeah. And we walked for maybe three more miles, maybe. Got to the mile 45. And I'm, I'm in such a bad place of just like, I wanna get out type of thing. Like, and this is where the mind starts playing tricks on you because I remember [01:08:00] there was, there's like little mountain signs that are like pointing this direction and that direction.

And it was like parking lot. This direction. I was like, that sounds really nice right now. Like, just take me to the parking lot. Just, Hey, I'll take a DF 45 miles. That's, that's a great effort. Yeah. But that was the aid station five miles back. So I would literally have to pass my team to go back to it. And they're like, that's not an option.

So we keep walking, I'm getting slower and slower. And then my, coaches, they were called the sweepers or the grim reapers where they were like, we're gonna pick up all the team who's still running and make sure we're pushing forward. And my coach will laugh at me at the moment, but I, like, I was in such a bad place.

And he comes up to me, I was like, please don't try and fix this. Like, I just, like, I'm just ready. Like I, my mind was already playing tricks on just like, just accept that this is it. And he's

Ally Brettnacher: like,

Logan Turner: you realize this 45 miles is in the middle of nowhere. Like, you're gonna have to walk somewhere to

Ally Brettnacher: get

Logan Turner: picked up to get

Ally Brettnacher: You might as well

Logan Turner: finish. Right.

But I felt so bad and I sat down. And [01:09:00] like a random blonde chair that was by a water jug. And the second I sit down, like both my legs cramp, so I'm like, like I'm dancing in the chair. And he gave us these like beautiful hats with the flaps. Oh yeah. Like the sun hats. So I was like, I, I don't want to get this dirty.

So I handed it to him. He's like, what are you doing? And you know, I, I was cramping, so I, I do a bone head move. I just take a salt pill, break it open and pour it in my mouth. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm nauseous already, and I just start yaking everywhere. Like, I, I don't feel like I've ever yacked like that before.

And then I felt better. I felt really good. And Zach, who was the guy who helped pace me for the few miles, offered me some coke. And this was the first time I really ever interacted with Coke and running. So I, I took a few steps. I was like, oh, like my stomach feels better. Like, I feel like I can actually be a human again.

And we knew that we had five miles to go and, and maybe like an hour. Yeah, maybe an hour and 15 left. But like, it [01:10:00] was a very slim chance that we were gonna finish. Um, and sure enough, I, I stood

Ally Brettnacher: up

Logan Turner: and we just kept walking and then we power walked. And the reason why it's funny is I, I had my friend Zach carry the two liter, the last five miles of the

Ally Brettnacher: race

Logan Turner: because that's all I could take.

Ally Brettnacher: You're like, I am not gonna be without

Logan Turner: coke.

No. He carried it like a football and it was like a, a, a true champion.

Ally Brettnacher: did it spray

every time

Logan Turner: opened

it?

It did, but at that point I'm already gross enough. Who cares? Yeah. Like I've got

do

not care.

Body fluids probably all over me at

Ally Brettnacher: Oh yeah. Yeah. Um,

Logan Turner: but we finished it with like a minute left. That's amazing. It was a great story of redemption, of hey, just sometimes Coke's all you

Ally Brettnacher: need

And

IMG_2537: I, it. tell you,

Ally Brettnacher: there is nothing like a regular Coke

Logan Turner: I recently bought a small six pack and it's sitting in my fridge and I finally broke one open.

'cause

I'm, I was obviously going through my history of life. Like I don't drink calories. Like I

Ally Brettnacher: don't Totally, I mean, what a waste.

Logan Turner: Yeah. But then I was like, I just had a nice run. It's hot

Ally Brettnacher: and humid.

Logan Turner: Gimme that 12 ounce of coke.[01:11:00]

Yeah,

Ally Brettnacher: I have. So there's, Tracy Hunter has been on this podcast previously and she's kind of like known for her post long

Logan Turner: run

Coke. Yeah. And

Ally Brettnacher: so she's the one who influenced me into like, trying it and, 'cause I'm not an ultra marathoner where I've had one somewhere out on a course, but gosh,

there's, I mean,

I'll go through a drive through somewhere and get a big ass Coke and it just hits

Logan Turner: real

nice. Yeah. So I've

been I've been

trying to,

I've been trying to train, 'cause obviously we're doing the, the prayer and fire next. Yes. so actually lemme share a little bit of history prior to that. Yeah. Um, 'cause obviously the, the ultra space here in India is small. Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: There's no big formal events outside of what TJ's created with the full mo Yep. Being kind of a, I would say an entry level to the ultra space. Yeah. But it's just a beautiful run. so we ran that, Nora and I ran that again this past year and we knocked off almost 45 minutes, from last year. Wow. but was, what was really special about that is Nora started walking [01:12:00] in November of 24 and I was like, you know what, we've, we've got an opportunity here where I want Nora to walk a finish line now.

So she's not only running the events, but she's gonna start walking. So let's have her walk the finish line. And we did the Indie Mini right before the full mo and that, that was like the first race that obviously we ran it together. Yeah. We were at ans ans Los Angels. I wasn't sure if that was gonna be an option because it's, it's a major race.

There's a ton

Ally Brettnacher: of

people. So

many, but that's a lot

Logan Turner: of

simulation. Yeah.

And it, yeah. Not for, for, for me and especially for Nora. Yeah. but sure enough, about 50 yards out, I, I got her out, we walked it

Ally Brettnacher: and

Logan Turner: I was by myself, so I got like a, a nice POV type of footage. Oh

IMG_2537: Oh God. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh

Logan Turner: yeah.

Um, but that was the kind of the, the mark set in stone of like every single race moving forward.

Ally Brettnacher: Like

Logan Turner: if, if the terrain does not allow nor to be there, fine. But if it does, like she's gonna be there and we're gonna walk the course. Yeah. And that's what led to [01:13:00] us committing back to the full bow. 'cause I wasn't planning on doing it, but after the Indian May, I was like, I have to do it. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: And my dad

Logan Turner: rode his bike with us the entire way.

Made sure we had everything we need so that we had a successful

race.

And by the time we got to the finish line, got nor out. Let her walk. And you know, John got tons of great photos of us. Oh. Uh, TJ was super supportive of, that. He even put Logan and Nora on our bib, which is really, really

special.

That's cool. Yeah. I

love that. so like they've been very supportive of our journey as

well. Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. And

Logan Turner: that's what's leading towards the Prairie On Fire. So I ran it with an Ora last year, but very similar to the full mo, very

Ally Brettnacher: pregnant

Logan Turner: Rens playing on the playground, still learning how to be potty trained.

So you can probably imagine some accidents that that happened there.

And

the style of race is way different. and for those who may not know it, it, the, a Backyard Ultra is a 4.167 mile loop. They call

Ally Brettnacher: it a

yard.

IMG_2537: And[01:14:00]

Logan Turner: You

run your yard, whatever time you have left, you rest and recover. And then it's every hour on the hour until the last man finishes.

And because this was a team race, I wanted to go just for the community aspect of tribal training. Like these are my friends that I don't really get to see in person unless we're at a race like this. So Nora and I are gonna go run it. And this is a, a different type of course. It's not a track, it's not a paved, sidewalk.

Like

Ally Brettnacher: the Monon.

Logan Turner: There's

some gravel grass,

Ally Brettnacher: dirt

Logan Turner: sidewalk.

it's not really the most friendly race for

Ally Brettnacher: a,

a stroller,

Logan Turner: but again, I've kind of embraced like, Hey, this is who we are and this is kind of my style. Yeah. And I like to try and do things that aren't

Ally Brettnacher: very

common,

Logan Turner: but I knew I wasn't really gonna compete.

Like it was just, let's go have there and have some fun. And one of the goals that I had last year, not that this is meaningful to anybody, I was like, I

Ally Brettnacher: wanna

win a lap.

Logan Turner: I just

wanna win a lap because there's a hundred phenomenal runners here that are probably gonna go a hundred miles. But Nora finished

first,

so that was [01:15:00] pretty cool just to give her that moment.

Yeah. And we did four laps and called it a day. Like we were just there to have fun. We put 17 miles

Ally Brettnacher: together I mean, also for anybody who's like, just yeah. Do the math. Yeah. That's still 16 miles more than

most people have

run in their whole

Logan Turner: life. So

what was different about that

Ally Brettnacher: race though,

is

Logan Turner: everybody else who comes in at 45 minutes has 15 minutes to replenish themselves.

Yeah. Whereas me, I had a massive blanket. I get Nora out, here's some toys, here's some food, here's some water. What do we need back in the stroller? What do I need? Load her back up. Go diaper change. Like all

those things.

I was like, I had to run as fast as I can just to try and give Nora some space

to some space.

Oh

my gosh.

Ally Brettnacher: gosh.

Logan Turner: before the next sleep.

Ally Brettnacher: right.

So

' cause Yeah. 'cause Brie's watching,

Logan Turner: she's

got, yeah, she's got her hands full. Like that's, that's, again, it's not the right time to make that ask. Like I'm very, very

Ally Brettnacher: aware of that.

Right. A hundred

Logan Turner: percent.

So

we're gonna run it back this year. And you [01:16:00] mentioned the therapies of Nora, like what does she need on an ongoing basis to continue to evolve and, and grow and develop?

so I mentioned that a lot of these services are capped when they age, past the age of three. Um, and at that point it's, it's very much insurance driven. Like do these services accept in insurance?

Mm-hmm.

What's the logistics of it? A lot of them are inpatient, so you would actually have to go to the

Ally Brettnacher: facility

Logan Turner: nor is an A, b, A on, have a full-time job.

Brie has a full-time job. We've got other kids. Sometimes those things just

Ally Brettnacher: don't

work.

Yeah. And

Logan Turner: they're not necessarily effective if you go for an hour a week. Right? Like, this is something that we need proactive work. And we were introduced to a couple different clinics throughout the US that are specific for pediatric therapies, and they're called intensive therapies because they're exactly what they sound

Ally Brettnacher: mm-hmm. intense.

Yeah.

Logan Turner: the one we go to that we've really, really enjoyed is, uh, [01:17:00] is a center called Climb Down in Spring

Ally Brettnacher: Hill,

Tennessee.

Logan Turner: And you would typically go two or three weeks at a time for two to three hours a day. So one week or one hour a week versus potentially 15 hours a week is much different. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. So it, it's great for Nora. It's very hard both for her and I. Mm-hmm. Or Brie.

Nor hadn't always wanted to participate. Like she didn't always want to walk or stand. So in the early years, like there was a lot of resistance to do the work. Mm-hmm. Because she didn't know how to stand, she didn't know how to move her body.

Yeah. but this past year, we went for two weeks at the start of the year, three weeks at the start of the year. And nor just crushed it. Like she's, she's walking, she's motivated, so how do we like, enable her to do more? Mm-hmm. And we're scheduled to go back in September, the first two weeks

Ally Brettnacher: of September.

Logan Turner: What

happens? The first weekend

Ally Brettnacher: of September,

Logan Turner: the Prairie on Fire. I was like, I don't know how this is [01:18:00] logistically gonna work for spending a week in Nashville, drive up Friday, run as long as I physically can Saturday, then drive back to Nashville on Sunday and spend another week in Tennessee. But again, my style is just.

I may not be the best runner, but I'm always down for a challenge and I'll show up and I'll, I'll throw down and have fun. Mm-hmm. And that's what we're gonna do. And these therapies

are

a hundred percent outta pocket. Like there's no insurance typically considered for them unless something has recently changed and maybe some of the other more commercial,

Ally Brettnacher: centers.

Logan Turner: So

we've been sharing our story on Instagram and social media and you know, people are always asking like, how can we support you guys? Right. And sometimes that's hard as a parent to answer because there may not

necessarily

be something like obviously your your time, attention and love

is always,

we would love that,

but

mm-hmm. it's not like

there's a big long list of toys that Nora wants or events she wants to go to. Yeah. So it's kind of hard to, to say like, how you can support. And [01:19:00] then I was like, well, you

Ally Brettnacher: know what,

Logan Turner: like I did a bourbon raffle

for Nora.

At the very beginning of this, because I had a nasty habit with collecting bourbon through COVID.

I, I saw,

Ally Brettnacher: COVID.

I, I saw, I saw that.

Logan Turner: Well, at that point I was like, rule in, in downtown any was like the only thing open.

I

mean, I

don't

yeah. It was my

only piece of society that I

Ally Brettnacher: had access to.

Logan Turner: but I turned that bourbon collection into 25,000 for her. So it's just like, alright. That's incredible. That was cool.

Yeah.

But

Ally Brettnacher: now

we

run,

Logan Turner: so how do we maybe create some form of a fundraiser to fundraise through running for next year's therapies? Mm-hmm. Like, why

not?

Yeah. See what happens. Yep. And that's what allowed me to really make a big commitment to the Prayer on fire this year, is to see what I'm capable of doing with Nora in the mix.

So I'm still trying to come up with my race day strategy. Yep. But Nora will be running with me, not every lap. But maybe like every three lapses, you know, early on what my [01:20:00] strategy

Ally Brettnacher: might be. Yeah.

Logan Turner: But a lot of my training is centered around running with Nora. Like very rarely will you see me, maybe because the last two, three weeks has been dangerous if I were to take her out.

But most times Yeah, you will, you will only see me running with Nora. Yeah. and 'cause I just prefer it. Mm-hmm. I feel like I'm a better runner pushing her stroller. Yeah. Why that is, I don't know.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I, it's hard. Yeah. So so hard.

Logan Turner: Yeah. Pushing somebody

else. It is. And,

and

you

know,

NORRA iss 42 pounds.

I've got all my stuff, so I'm, I'm probably pushing 50, 60 pounds. Right. Not carrying

that

weight, but

yeah. That, that,

it's not nothing that makes

you fatigue a little bit

Ally Brettnacher: faster

Uh, for sure. It's like wearing ave.

I mean,

I, I have not worn a vest, but I would equate it to that.

Like,

because when I'm not pushing, obviously it feels so different. Right? So like in the Indie mini doing Ainsley's Angels, you trade off with

whoever. Well,

now, like you experience already, you're push, you're

Logan Turner: doing

it all.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. And it's a different. Yeah. Going out and I pushed Sydney for 11 miles and you saw that you're like, it's gonna be an [01:21:00] adventure. And

that it was. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's

and it's like you can't, you're not in control.

Yeah. Really. So you gotta attend to the needs of your kid too. Mm-hmm.

And

thankfully Sydney was happy Yeah.

Listening to music. But like, yeah. mean

Logan Turner: it always kind of goes

back to

like toy rotation as kids.

Like sometimes you should stop buying toys and just take a few away and then bring it back

Ally Brettnacher: I know God. Which I should do I should do

Logan Turner: that.

But like,

that's part of my race day strategy. Yeah. When I have Nora, it's

like, okay, like,

what do I need? But also, how do I entertain Nora to withstand being in the stroller Yeah. Up to five hours.

Yeah. Without just having

Ally Brettnacher: meltdown. Yeah.

Can

she watch

Logan Turner: stuff?

Does

she watch

stuff? Um, so I, I use that as like a last. Scenario. Yeah. cause if I start with it, obviously the attention can just be over. Right? Totally. So I, I try and I try and go as long as I can without music. Yep. Just by toys

and snacks.

Okay.

Then I break out like just music that I would wanna listen to, that she will listen to. Okay. And then we bring out the iPad. Yep. And that's kinda like the, the phases, the [01:22:00] final, the final straw.

Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: How, I was just thinking like your race day strategy, I'm already like, okay, well I wanna come spectate, I wanna bring my girls.

Can we like be in your tribal training

tent and like

help in

Logan Turner: way?

Like

I'm, I could definitely use some, some crew.

Right?

some

crew. And motivation is, is always

welcomed. So

think about that. Okay.

Ally Brettnacher: and how, you know, not just me, but maybe other people listening to this who now have heard your story and they're gonna be there spectating or supporting,

like how

that

could look.

I know it's hard sometimes it's like, well I don't know. I don't even know

what my strategy

is, so how am I gonna tell you how to help my

Logan Turner: Yeah. I'm still still preparing it, but honestly, for these style of races, like vibes are, are everything. Yeah. Really in any race, like when you find yourself starting to hurt, as long as you have like high energy, like you'll be able to keep carrying on it, but then also like an extra set of hands here and there go a long way.

Yeah. but yeah, the races in Noblesville, it's September 6th, there's a park in the middle of it, so there's a huge playground for kids. That's like, it, it [01:23:00] couldn't be a better family event. Yeah. Truthfully,

Ally Brettnacher: I'm

kind of, I'm

Logan Turner: fomo.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: A

lot.

You know, tj you could, you could

sneak in there. I know

TJ

Ally Brettnacher: let me.

I

know he

would. That's the

danger.

Yeah.

But, yeah, another woman who I interviewed for this podcast,

Katie

Barrett, will

be there.

So I'm hoping to get both of

these episodes

out

before So that

people can support both of you and everyone else who's running because it's such a cool idea. Like the idea that you're putting yourself to the test physically and mentally, just to see how far you

can go.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

In a perfect world, I, I would love. To get to 75 miles, which is 18 hours. Like so many things have to go right for that to happen. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: does

Nora sleep in the white

Logan Turner: stroller?

She can. Okay.

because of the setting of this, you know, I'm gonna have an rv Uh Okay. Over there. That's smart. So I'm gonna rent that.

So, you know, my dad will help outside of Brie. I'm trying to ask for like,

Ally Brettnacher: other

family

members. I I totally get it. 'cause she's like, okay,

Logan Turner: well

I have

the

two others,

I know I'm planning on coming in at like 48

minutes.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: 12 minutes for me to like, maybe do the things I have to do, like [01:24:00] maybe help with medication, like get her situated.

But, Hey dad, I need you to take her to the RV and get some rest and mm-hmm. Play and eat. Do your thing. Yeah. And then come back with me in two or three hours. Right.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Let's skip a few yards. Get let her rest

and then

Logan Turner: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: outside of that,

it's, I.

I don't know other people's strategy, but like, I don't want to be refueling at the rest period. Like my goal is to fuel predominantly during the run itself. Okay. So I do a lot of rucking, I do a lot of power walking. Mm-hmm. I've kind of learned what different cadences I need to be at to come in

Ally Brettnacher: at

Logan Turner: time

so that I can kind of like read the room on like, how's my body feeling right now?

And what do I need to do this next loop to maybe get it back on track for two loops from now. Yeah. Do I need to walk a little bit more, walk a little faster or run a little bit slower? But that's, that's the, the fun of this race

is you,

you run one loop at a time

Ally Brettnacher: and that's,

Go one more.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: And

then TJ likes to say, don't quit in the [01:25:00] chair. That was his thing. It's like, just get your ass up. Yeah. And yeah, if you wanna quit while you're out running Okay. Like your body, but don't

Logan Turner: sit

down and

give

up. Yeah.

Which I

think

is good advice. So this will be the third year that I've been affiliated with the race. Like, I, I, I. Spectated

Ally Brettnacher: the

Logan Turner: year,

somewhat ran last year, but then came back in the evening.

So I was able to see like,

oh, that's

fun, cam reach a hundred miles and like, see all these people. Like really put out some strong efforts. Mm-hmm. So now I'm like, you know what? I don't have to go to Arizona to run

Ally Brettnacher: 50

Logan Turner: Like

there's no race that's closer to my hometown. That gives me the opportunity to do that.

Yeah. So let's, let's see what we can do and raise some money along

Ally Brettnacher: the way,

Oh my gosh.

IMG_2537: selling merch

Logan Turner: there. That's kind of one of my goals is just have some cool run gear. Uh, a available or have a GoFundMe to just

Yeah.

Raise the funds

that you just raise funds to, to support Nora and letting her become a better walker.

Ally Brettnacher: Give people a sense of how much, like how much money do you [01:26:00] spend

on that, like climb for two weeks? Yeah. What does that look like for you?

Logan Turner: So, considering travel cost, cost,

Ally Brettnacher: cost of

Logan Turner: therapy,

cost of the

Ally Brettnacher: Airbnb.

Logan Turner: Food. I mean, it's, it's probably

Ally Brettnacher: every bit

Logan Turner: of

a

12 to 15,000 for a three

Ally Brettnacher: week

Logan Turner: period of

time.

And our goal is to try and do that

Ally Brettnacher: twice

a year.

Logan Turner: Right.

I

mean,

just for, for

quality

of life.

Just to learn how to walk and have better stability and awareness of your body. And it's, it's a hard thing for parents like us to, to justify

the spend. Mm-hmm.

But then when you think about it as it's your child,

like it's

her life.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Of course we're gonna spend it. Yeah. But that's why, you know, we still hustle in our professional careers mm-hmm. To be high achievers

and Yep.

Raise a family and do the things

Ally Brettnacher: we

want

to do,

but

Logan Turner: also give Nora the resources and access to resources that she deserves

Ally Brettnacher: and, needs.

Logan Turner: needs. Yeah.

Absolutely. And not being afraid to, to ask for help should those who [01:27:00] wanna help. Yep. I think that's

Ally Brettnacher: been a, a big

Logan Turner: I. don't know, ego is the right word. It's like, oh, we don't need help. Like, we've got this. But it's also like when people ask about how to help, like asking for money is

Ally Brettnacher: always right. Hey, just, yeah, sure. You could just gimme $20. Thank

Logan Turner: you. Yeah. Like.

yeah. And that's where it's just like, you know what, like don't be ashamed of just saying if somebody wants to offer some support through the way

of money,

like

accept it and

be

okay

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

And frankly, that's probably how a lot of people prefer. Yeah. Like, you know, they might not have the time or something else to give and so if it's money

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, and I totally get the ego thing like you, you wanna provide for your family. Right. That's so normal. Right. But the scenario you're in

mm-hmm.

Is

Logan Turner: different.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

So, yeah. So I'm linking to that so people support this cause. and then I have two more topics I wanna ask you about. First I wanna ask you about, does Ren get jealous of Nora and the white stroller?

Surprisingly, no.

Logan Turner: Really? Um,

there are times that she wants to come

with.

Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: But

Logan Turner: think it's [01:28:00] because of her age of witnessing. Nora and I starting to run, it's become a no and daddy

Ally Brettnacher: thing,

Right.

It's just

Logan Turner: normal.

It is like, oh, daddy's going for a run. Okay. Is Nora going? Mm-hmm. Like, it's just become associated like

that. Yeah.

Now, there's definitely times where I think this is just the competitive nature of mom or dad. Like sometimes like, well, well I wanna go with that. Can I, can I hop in with Nora?

And Right. Sometimes I'm like, Nora's gonna be the deciding factor of that. Like, sure, you can come in, but if Nora says, no, I'm not interested in you, in my space, then you gotta go back in the, the other double stroller.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

That's, I asked that partially because in my training to

Logan Turner: Bush mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: I, my girls will fight over who gets to go with me because I don't have, I put them in, the Freedom Chair, which is one of Ainsley's Angel's chairs that they've let me borrow for training, and they can both sit in it. Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: But

they just

wanna

kill

each other. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: So it's

like, I can only

Imagine

when you're zipping two of your girls in that stroller, like

Logan Turner: how

that

would go.

or

Ally Brettnacher: even with just two kids, I mean, regardless. Yeah. And then the other thing that we haven't talked about is

Logan Turner: your

[01:29:00] tattoos.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh,

yeah. So

I wanna touch on that, and then we have to get to the end,

end of

the podcast questions, but I don't,

now I'm

Logan Turner: like

looking at

you Yeah, I,

Ally Brettnacher: and you

Logan Turner: can

cover '

em

all.

Yeah. I, I can send you pictures of the ones we're, we're talking

through. Yeah. Okay.

Because I've got, I've got a lot

Ally Brettnacher: of '

em.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. So what, I mean, we probably don't have time

to maybe

tell the stories of all of them. Do you know how many you

Logan Turner: have? I think I've got

Ally Brettnacher: 24. 24.

Logan Turner: 24? I

think

Ally Brettnacher: so,

Okay. And

do you have a specific artist that you go to for all

of them?

Logan Turner: No.

Nope.

That's interesting. Mainly because I, I've somewhat self-designed all of them at some capacity and, handed them a very rough. Drawing of here's what I want. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Like, I'm not

Logan Turner: interested in communicating an idea to you and letting you come up with it and put it on me. Like, right. These are all of

my

visions for the meaning

Ally Brettnacher: mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Logan Turner: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Wow.

That's

Ally Brettnacher: interesting.

So you, are

Logan Turner: artsy?

Do

you

like

Yeah, I

Ally Brettnacher: like

Logan Turner: to draw. I like to tinker

Ally Brettnacher: and

create.

yeah. That's

Logan Turner: fun.

Yeah.

Okay. I enjoy it.

Ally Brettnacher: So 24. What's your most recent tattoo?

Logan Turner: The most recent one? Let's [01:30:00] see.

So I

have, the most recent one I think I have is

from

oh, Brie and i's anniversary last year.

Okay. So Brie got the word prescriptive written on her forearm. And I, I'm more of a, a visionary, type of guy. So I created my own design for like what perspective looks like to

Ally Brettnacher: me.

Um, yeah,

Logan Turner: yeah,

You can probably see it, but for me it's this one right

here.

Oh.

So this is the tree

of life. Okay.

And this is my view on what perspective from a visual cue would look like.

Yeah. Um, I'll, I'll share a picture for

those who

Ally Brettnacher: can't

see,

who aren't watching the, for the three people that watch

Logan Turner: the

video,

they'll

see

it.

Yeah. If not, you can

go to my, if not,

you

can see it. I'm

just, we'll, we'll find a way to, to, to share

Ally Brettnacher: it

out. But

yeah, well

look at

Logan Turner: all

those. Yeah.

I've, I've got so many

and they're

all,

they're all very meaningful and they'll tell a, uh, uh, their own story.

Ally Brettnacher: Um, is

the bridge from

Logan Turner: Perry is there,

So this is [01:31:00] the tribal training

Ally Brettnacher: axe.

okay.

Logan Turner: That's

cool. Um,

this is the bridge from Chattanooga. could

Ally Brettnacher: look

like

a Okay.

Logan Turner: Okay. That's

why.

Okay.

Um, but those are kinda like some

of

my,

my athletic goals and accomplishments. Obviously I got this big one on my thigh that's.

A mountain in Arizona with a elephant school for Elephant Mountain. That's cool. But some of the, the favorite ones of mine, uh, I have the peons of St. Lucia on

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, before, that's

where where I went.

Logan Turner: I

honeymoon there. Yep. That's where we went. There you go. Um, so we did, Bri and I did the climb to the, the top at the

Ally Brettnacher: peons, Oh,

Logan Turner: which was, which, like a very grueling event.

Those

Ally Brettnacher: are

straight

up. brutal.

Logan Turner: That doesn't

sound

fun.

No, they're, they're, they're, yeah, they're, they're brutal. But this is probably like one of my favorite stories, because Bria and I climbed those mountains and like we understand like what hardship

looks

like. Yes.

but more in particular.

And those who, who find my, my Instagram will probably see this actually if they go to the GoFundMe, that's one of the pictures

I

use. Mm-hmm. where I have Nora and myself [01:32:00] a picture of us during an EEG stay when we were actually going for 48 hours that time.

And

in that moment, like no, have really struggled to sleep.

Obviously, I think everybody struggles to sleep in a hospital bed, let alone when you've got wires attached

to you.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Logan Turner: And

I found myself holding her. She was probably 30 pounds at the time, holding her for hours on end just so she could sleep. And the, the meaning behind it is like the hills and valleys of life.

You know, you enjoy the moments when you're at the top, know that there's likely a valley coming, but work through that, you'll find yourself at the mountaintop again. But very clearly in that picture, if you look behind me, there's a picture

of a

mountaintop in the hospital room. And I, I remembered like really struggling in that moment.

Be like, this is hard. Like I can't get Nora down. Like I am tired

myself.

I'm holding a. 30 pound child trying to let her

sleep.

And I've put her down, she doesn't sleep, so I just [01:33:00] grinded

through it. Yeah.

But I kept looking at that, picture, for whatever reason, it just kind of like ingrained me like, all right, this, this is not

Ally Brettnacher: gonna

Logan Turner: forever.

Like just keep pushing through, keep holding on. And that's kind of what that tattoo represents is the fact like both Bria and I have done that together and like, we can do this together. Yeah. So that's one of my favorite, that's a tattoos that I

Ally Brettnacher: have.

And what

was your first

tattoo?

Logan Turner: I won't share that one.

It's not, that's not anything specked. It was one in

Ally Brettnacher: Well now, now everybody's

Logan Turner: like,

Ooh. Was it

on your

butt cheek and no, it's, uh, Mexico, or,

I don't know. I'm

just

not a story like that. No, it's a, it's a picture of a 22, uh, on my back. It's

more of

a

inverted 22. So like if you look at it, you're like, it won't immediately stand out to you.

Okay. But if you look, it's one of those things, like you look closer and closer, it'll stand out and be like, it'll understand it. But that was when I got. Early

Ally Brettnacher: in

college.

Yeah.

Logan Turner: Played a role in my, it's time there. It's on my back.

I

never see it. Um, but my first tattoo was actually probably the, you, you won't be able to [01:34:00] see it here, but it's kind of on my elbow area where, it's a fire tower in Brown County, Indiana where Bria and I got

Ally Brettnacher: engaged.

Yeah. That's cool.

Logan Turner: cool. Yeah. That's

cool. That's probably one of my bigger

Ally Brettnacher: ones too.

I

really like that You have tattoos that

Logan Turner: represent things

about

Ally Brettnacher: your significant

other Yeah, because I literally have

Logan Turner: husband's name mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: and

his

Logan Turner: on my arm,

Ally Brettnacher: and I didn't think about it at the time. Yeah.

Like, I was just

Logan Turner: of

course

I, you

know.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. And then I was kind of like,

Logan Turner: oh

Ally Brettnacher: yeah,

I guess like if we ever weren't married anymore, that would be, but I just tell him

Logan Turner: you

can't

leave me. Yeah.

I've got

too bad.

I've got sunflowers for

Ally Brettnacher: all

the

girls. Yep.

Logan Turner: these are probably two other cool meaning one meaningful ones. Um, the first one I'm looking at here is a barong.

IMG_2537: Okay.

Logan Turner: I

dunno what that

means.

So it's a, it's an Indonesian God. Okay. I actually got that in Bali. That's cool.

Ally Brettnacher: cool. By

one

Logan Turner: the

foundational creators of tattooing in Bali.

Ally Brettnacher: But

it

Logan Turner: the,

I wrote notes on this, so I, I try and communicate it properly to the culture

Ally Brettnacher: because

it,

you

know,

Logan Turner: [01:35:00] it's a

meaningful thing.

Yeah. But it's, it, it, it's the courage and the face of adversity and the kind of, the protection from negativity is kind of some of the, the core meanings that I find in it.

That's cool.

Um, and the fact I got it in Bali is awesome. Yeah. Um, not a very often do you have the chance to go across the world

Ally Brettnacher: and

Logan Turner: tattooed by.

Ally Brettnacher: Some

which also,

I didn't know that was a thing. That's a very big thing in Thailand. I have a tattoo that's in Thai,

it's my

name.

Mm-hmm.

Um, now you can

use

the

Logan Turner: Google

app

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

To see

Logan Turner: that name,

which is

kind of

Ally Brettnacher: Sweet.

Um, that's a party

trick of

Logan Turner: mine now.

Ally Brettnacher: Um, but I didn't realize that I

didn't

get it

there, but,

but that,

Logan Turner: that's a

very

traditional thing

Ally Brettnacher: to do

Yeah.

In Southeast

Logan Turner: Asia

is

tattoos. Yeah.

So I, I, I really enjoyed

that experience. Yeah. That's cool. Um, I, I wanted to get it non-mechanical, so like where they actually do like the

tapping.

Yeah.

My

friends

did that.

Uh, this design though, is that way too

Ally Brettnacher: complex.

Yeah.

Right.

Logan Turner: and then the, the other two that I'll, I'll share is I have, uh, kind of a, a created view of [01:36:00] Vienna. Austria.

Mm-hmm.

I've never been there. But it's more centered around the Billy Joel

song. I was gonna say, it has

to be. It has to

be. Yeah.

and for those who don't really know, the meaning of that is like, don't be so quick to rush through life and be very open and grounded with the experience that you have in today's world.

Mm-hmm. So kind of knowing our life is like, it's so easy for us to try and like, what does life look like five years from now? What does life look like 10 years from now?

Ally Brettnacher: What

does it

look like

Logan Turner: when

we're gone? Yeah. Right. But it's also kind of a, a grounding mechanism for me to just like, what we'll be, we'll be and Yeah.

Truly live like in the moment. Enjoy

Ally Brettnacher: today's life.

Yeah. So good.

Logan Turner: So yeah. I have a lot of deep stories with

Ally Brettnacher: my

tattoos. Yeah.

Logan Turner: Yeah. But like, that's my form

Ally Brettnacher: of

expression. Yeah.

It's really

cool.

I

love it. Yeah.

Logan Turner: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: okay, so I'm gonna ask you the end of the podcast questions. So

the first question is, what is your favorite running mantra and or song?

Logan Turner: Okay.

go back to the tattoos. I have the [01:37:00] words always show up, written on my forearm. it's a mantra I take with me really in any aspect of life.

You know, it, it

Ally Brettnacher: takes

effort to

Logan Turner: be a good father, a good husband, a good athlete, a good friend, coworker,

colleague, uh,

Ally Brettnacher: profess,

Logan Turner: like

yeah.

just show up and be open to change and persevere through any of the conflict that you're met with. And as long as you do that, like more times than not, you'll be successful in what you're

Ally Brettnacher: attempting

to

do.

Logan Turner: That's

a

good one.

Ally Brettnacher: Now,

is there a song that you'll play that gets Nora

Logan Turner: excited

Ally Brettnacher: at all?

Logan Turner: Yeah, there's a two hour Elmo compilation on YouTube that, uh,

Ally Brettnacher: well I won't be

Logan Turner: won't be adding

that

to the

playlist

Ally Brettnacher: of

the

Logan Turner: Podcast about, uh, about a

Ally Brettnacher: you

Logan Turner: thousand

times now.

That

is

funny. Um, I could probably sing every single one of those,

Ally Brettnacher: you

probably, could

Logan Turner: need to hear that.

I'll tell you a song that stood out to me. Okay. that came across my playlist randomly a couple weeks ago. It's, uh, Lemon or Lemonade. One of the two by Pharrell

Ally Brettnacher: and

Okay.

Okay. I was

Logan Turner: [01:38:00] say, I was like, trying

to remember who that's on. It's one, it's one of, I, it's one

Ally Brettnacher: of

the

two.

Okay.

Logan Turner: But it was like all of a sudden like the beat came on. I was like, oh, like my feet are moving a little faster. There you go. I'm a little bit more upbeat and Yeah. I think

Ally Brettnacher: it's

lemon.

Logan Turner: Okay.

Ally Brettnacher: If not,

I'll just

use the

lemp part

where

you

said

Logan Turner: lemonade.

Yeah.

Be

like

we

one, the, the, I

don't know, like I don't listen to the song often, but I just remember that moment

where it's like,

oh,

okay.

Like if I need a little pep in my step, maybe

put that

on and

Yeah. There you go. That my, I I'll go

a

little faster.

Ally Brettnacher: And

then I love being able to ask this ne next question a

little differently for you.

cause what is your next finish line? Or inch stone, not milestone. I love how you say that because

for

you, I mean

Logan Turner: yeah,

you're, mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: it all kind of ties

Logan Turner: together.

Ally Brettnacher: Hmm.

Logan Turner: The next inch stone

for

me,

I would like to say the prayer on fire is gonna be a performance I'll be very proud

Ally Brettnacher: of.

Logan Turner: so I'm, I'm gonna stick with that. Yeah. Oh, it's so soon. I'm very intentional with

Ally Brettnacher: my

training

for

it.

Logan Turner: Not only does it [01:39:00] have a greater impact for like my style of running with Nora mm-hmm. But it'll also be, I think, a race that I can

Ally Brettnacher: prove

to myself

that

Logan Turner: I'm

an athlete again and I can do a lot of hard things that a lot of people aren't considering doing or mm-hmm.

Or ever want

Ally Brettnacher: to

do.

Yeah.

And then

are you signed up

Logan Turner: anything in the

fall

beyond

that?

Not right now. the Indie Monumentals, I feel like a race we've, I've have always done in the last couple of years. Mm-hmm. Uh, we're not formally signed up for

Ally Brettnacher: it.

Logan Turner: but I would say the prayer on fire is kinda like my last core race of the year.

Right. And then

Ally Brettnacher: it

kind

of

Logan Turner: reevaluate what I want my true off season to look like. Yeah. Even though off season would be very short. 'cause I think the next 50 milers

in

February, oh my gosh.

Ally Brettnacher: If

I

sign up

for Excellent.

Are you, is

Logan Turner: the

same one

or would

it

be different Uh, we'll

do a,

I think we'll do a different one.

Okay. Um,

Ally Brettnacher: we

just

Logan Turner: the

race.

Event, uh, over, honestly, like the last week. Wow. So I'm actually not even sure exactly which

one it is.

Ally Brettnacher: cool. Well, I can't wait to cheer you on in September

and

beyond.

Yeah.

Logan Turner: Thank you. Thank

you so much

for doing

[01:40:00] this.

Of course. Thanks for having

Ally Brettnacher: me.

Absolutely.

And thank you to everybody who has listened and

Logan Turner: happy running.

Ally Brettnacher: That's

right.

Logan Turner: Boom.

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