Finish Lines & Milestones: Episode 178: Wyatt Moss - If We’re Not Doing It, Nobody Is

Finish Lines & Milestones: Episode 178: Wyatt Moss - If We’re Not Doing It, Nobody Is

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Guest: Wyatt Moss @wyttmoss

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Wyatt Moss and I met briefly at the start line of the 2024 CNO Financial Indianapolis Monumental Marathon - the first time he ran 50 marathons in 50 states in the same year. He'd spent the night before on a friend's couch. This year, he's coming back to Indy for round two, and this time we're going to show him some true Hoosier hospitality.

During this episode, we talk about:

  • [5:00] How his challenges started long before running, including a first marathon and a full Ironman distance with no training
  • [11:00] 1,000 days of running a mile every day, and Relay for America from Santa Monica to DC
  • [19:00] Getting passed by a girl dressed as corn at Monumental, and why walking makes a marathon hurt more
  • [21:00] Eating Chipotle in all 50 states in 50 days, and the difference between a sponsored athlete and a sponsorship
  • [25:00] 100 colleges in 100 days
  • [27:00] Riding a penny-farthing across the country: no brakes, a broken wrist and a scar
  • [39:00] Whisper, his mentor Brian Davidson, and conversation card decks for students
  • [43:00] Planning the 50 states year in a Google Doc, and why "the work works on you more than you work on it"
  • [49:00] Seven marathons on seven continents in seven days, and the Seven Wonders challenge
  • [1:01:00] 85 million views during Relay for America 🇺🇸
  • [1:04:00] His athletic shorts company, with your race ribbons sewn in - this is still happening
  • [1:11:00] Round TWO of the 50 states, and his dream of running all 200 countries
  • [1:25:00] Making other people's dreams a reality, supporting charity runners, and releasing himself from the views
  • [1:42:00] Running the New York City Marathon with Olympian, Alexi Pappas, and why "you get more of what you highlight"
  • [1:49:00] His mantra, "If we're not doing it, nobody is," and his 100th marathon at Jackson Hole

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Wyatt Moss: You get more of what you highlight, right? I'm just showing people, in the midst of any of this, I'm just gonna look for the joy, I do wanna put out a video though, like, showing people all the pain, 'cause there's so much pain.

Ally Brettnacher: Welcome to Finish Lines and Milestones, a podcast for everyday runners. I am your host, Ally Brettnacher, also allytbrett_runs on Instagram. And if you run, you're a runner, and every runner has a story. Join me each week as I share these stories, and we celebrate finish lines and milestones together

And before we get into this week's episode, which I'm super excited about, I wanted to congratulate everybody who raced this last weekend. so we had the Chicago Marathon, which tons of people I know ran. my favorite story coming out of Chicago is about this guy named Ethan, who traveled and ran by himself, and his uncle posted something in the Chicago Marathon Facebook page about how he wanted people to cheer for his nephew, and people showed up. people made T-shirts, people made signs, people were screaming for [00:01:00] him. It was so cool. So I hope Ethan had the best day. He said at least 250 times he heard people saying his name, and that's why I love running so much. And then also, a couple other events, the Moab 240, which was out west and was canceled because of severe weather.

There was the IT 100 here in Indiana.

My friend Logan Turner, who has been on this show, ran across the state of Indiana with his daughter Nora. He is absolutely an incredible human being, and you should go see what he's doing as well and listen to his story.

There was the inaugural Big Bow 50K from our friend Chris Jones, Running Coach Chris, and Hustle in the Heartland from Joe Harden, who's also local here and has been on this podcast. So these guys are all nuts, and I am so inspired by everybody So, so much going on with all the fall races hitting the calendar, I'm so excited.

It gives me so much renewed energy heading into my own race season.

And now for this week's episode, Wyatt Moss. He is wyattmoss on Instagram without the A. He has over 160,000 followers, and it's because he's done all [00:02:00] this crazy stuff in running the last few years. Wyatt has run 50 marathons in 50 states in a year, and he's actually on his second round of doing that.

Right after we recorded, he ran his 100th marathon, and that's within three years. He's done the seven marathons in seven continents in seven days challenge, which it's a crazy story how that all came together. You gotta hear that. He helped orchestrate a relay across America called Relay for America, where they divided the country into 250 segments and partnered up with a crew and a bunch of runners to go from Santa Monica, California, all the way to Washington, DC.

They got to DC on July 4th. It was so cool to see from afar. And good news to anybody who didn't get a chance to participate, they're gonna do it again. You can head to relayforamerica.org to support those efforts. And you might have seen him in Chicago if you ran the marathon.

He was dressed as a pickle with his friend, and they were handing out pickles with tongs, which was just so entertaining and I'm sure so appreciated. I would eat a pickle in the middle of [00:03:00] a marathon. But even before Wyatt was a runner, he did this crazy stuff. So he ate Chipotle in all 50 states in 50 days.

He visited 100 colleges in 100 days. he also broke his wrist riding a penny-farthing across the country. I didn't know what a penny-farthing is. I had to Google it. But you'll know it's that, big bike with, like, a huge wheel and a little wheel. It's wild stuff that Wyatt has done. And it's so inspiring, because behind the runner that you see often on Instagram, we talk a lot about Wyatt just as a person. He's so kind, so joyful, very faithful. He lives in Atlanta, and he shares this mantra with his mom, "If we're not doing it, nobody is." and his joy and energy and spirit is really infectious.

You're gonna love Wyatt. And guess what? you've probably heard me say this if you listen. He is coming back to Indianapolis, where I'm from, to run the Monumental Marathon for the second time, and this time I actually get to meet him and roll out the red carpet, So, if you are running Indy, stay tuned.

I'm sure he'll be around. He is, of course, [00:04:00] running a marathon on Sunday that weekend, too, so he won't be in town too long. All right, well, enjoy my conversation with Wyatt Moss

All right. Welcome to the Wyatt Moss. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.

Wyatt Moss: How's it going, Ally?

Ally Brettnacher: It's going great. I am so excited that you're gonna be back in Indy in a couple months.

Wyatt Moss: I know Round two

Ally Brettnacher: Round two. Okay, this is gonna be funny, but I had to look up the picture because I was like, I don't even know. We met so briefly.

There we are.

Wyatt Moss: Oh, let's go. Wow, and that's the- It's

Ally Brettnacher: really funny ...

Wyatt Moss: Side hoodie too. Yeah,

Ally Brettnacher: you were, you were just like, , yeah, I had no idea you were gonna be there. Yeah. I don't know if you were just, I don't know if you had shared in advance, but I missed it somehow, and I just saw you. And so we got a picture, and it was so funny 'cause you had said that you just, like, spent the night on a friend's couch the night before.

And I was like, "Why? We will give you the, we're gonna give you the red carpet treatment this time." So be prepared.

Wyatt Moss: My red carpet is on the ground- ... outside

Ally Brettnacher: of the finish

line. Stop it.

Just waiting for me. What I didn't [00:05:00] really realize until I started preparing for this, is that the challenge stuff that you've done didn't really start r- the r- with running.

You've done... You started- Oh, yeah ... with some other crazy challenges. So I wanna make sure people know about that. But before, I guess I wanna also give my audience a chance to meet you as, you know, as Wyatt, the person. So where are you from originally? Yeah. Where do you live right now? I have no idea, actually, so I'm just curious about that.

Wyatt Moss: So my name is Wyatt Moss from Atlanta, Georgia. I started, uh, running about three years ago when I started this challenge of doing a marathon in all 50 states. The idea behind it was that my mentor sent me a devotion that you need a dream for your life that's so big it would only be possible with God.

And so I was like, all right, well what's my God-sized dream? And of course, I'd run my first marathon at the start of 2023. It was the end of 2023, I was trying to figure out what I was gonna do for the next year. And like Ally had mentioned, I had done a couple challenges leading up to that that weren't necessarily physical.

They were [00:06:00] just, you know, my buddies and I, we went to all 50 states in 50 days right after I took a g- a gap year from college. And then when that worked out, we, uh, ended up, you know, somehow getting some type of, like, sponsorship from Chipotle, and so that encouraged me to keep going. So I ran this marathon in 2023, and then end of the year I got this devotion.

And then eventually I was just like, all right, well, how fast could I run a marathon in all 50 states? And of course, that was the 2024, um, into last year and this year, all the running, and of course, the number 100 coming up in four days.

Ally Brettnacher: I cannot believe it. I'm so... 100 marathons in three years. It's just-

Wyatt Moss: It's crazy

Ally Brettnacher: har- hard. And yeah, on all, in all the states, all the continents, no big deal. Um, so what, which marathon was your very first one? I don't know if I know the answer to that.

Wyatt Moss: So I started back in Atlanta at the Atlanta Marathon in 2023.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

Wyatt Moss: Very rough marathon for your first one, 'cause it's so hilly and very humid.

And- Okay ... my buddy and I, we did it with no training. [00:07:00] We literally-

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, I remember you talking about that. Oh my gosh ...

Wyatt Moss: it was about a month in advance, and we had been talking for about a year or a year and a half, just every day, every other day, just hopping on the call. You know, what are we supposed to do in our 20s?

How do we become, like, you know, ambition- ambitious men that are going out there and taking action and all these different things? We were like, "Well, what's something we could do every day?" Uh, we could just start training for something. And we were like, "All right, well let's just go sign up for this marathon," and then we ended up just not training.

And then, uh, we did a half-marathon about two weeks out. So hard. Oh my

Ally Brettnacher: gosh.

Wyatt Moss: And then the, the full, we were just, like, crawling across the finish line, but we did it. And that was, like, one of the first times where I kind of started thinking about, like, you know, what I'm, what I'm capable of. Like, "Holy cow, I did this."

Yeah. And then ended up doing a full Ironman with no training, just, like, the distance, not a registered one- Okay ... about a month later. And so, like-

Ally Brettnacher: What?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, it- I didn't

Ally Brettnacher: know that.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, yeah. Good. So Ironman with no training. That was-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. ... about

Wyatt Moss: two months later. It was in May [00:08:00] of 2023, so.

Ally Brettnacher: That is crazy.

Wyatt Moss: Yep.

Ally Brettnacher: Have you done another Ironman since then?

Wyatt Moss: No.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Will you? Will you do another Ironman?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah. I, I wanna train for an actual official Ironman.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. I guess that's true, 'cause you did the, you know, you did the thing, but not with all the fanfare, so. Exactly. Be really cool. Yeah, that's crazy. Were you an athlete when you were a kid?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, in high school I was a rower. There was a, a, a river that goes through Atlanta, the Chattahoochee River. Nice. And, uh, there was one rowing club there. I was trying out for the soccer team at this club, uh, you know, near where I grew up, and I didn't make it, even though I was, like, the fastest guy on the team.

I ended up not making the team, so I was like, "Okay, well, I need to do something." And like, I, it... I'll harp on that. I literally was the fastest guy and I got cut because I just had no ball-handling skills for soccer. It was, it was that bad. That's So then I was like, "Okay, well, I gotta just, you know, put my body to use somehow in some type of sport," and, you know, uh, I was about 30 minutes away, 40 minutes [00:09:00] away.

A friend had recommended it. Like, "Hey, you should just try rowing." And so then that built up my legs. I mean, four years of that, I almost got recruited to go, uh, row in college. So like-

Ally Brettnacher: Wow ...

Wyatt Moss: I think there, you know, part of it is, like, the no training, but I also had put in, like, years of training. So it's, it's, like, this mix where, you know, I think you have to have some type of base.

You can't just roll out of bed- Yeah ... with, you know, never, having never done anything athletic whatsoever. You can- But you sh- shouldn't expect it to be anything like- ... you know.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, you shouldn't expect it to be fun at all probably. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why didn't you run track? Did you ever run track?

Wyatt Moss: In middle school I was a, a cross country runner, and I was, like, one of the slower guys on the team.

Ally Brettnacher: That's funny. Okay.

Wyatt Moss: And my best friend, he was also, uh, on the cross country team. His name's Tyler. And it's so funny because all of our friends that were on the same team, they're no longer running, they're graduated college, they're, you know.

But then Tyler and I, [00:10:00] we're both running marathons, like, all the time. He's got 20 marathons under his belt. I'm coming up on a hundred. He's- He was the friend that I took on the first marathon in, in Atlanta back in 2023. Man. Wow. And then the Ironman and the guy I was calling, you know, just to... an hour every day just like, "What are supposed to be doing with our lives?"

Yeah. So I think that, you know, Tyler's been instrumental in my life. And yeah, I think having someone that you can go through all these physical challenges with just to kind of, you know, when you're, when you're a beginner and you're running slow or when it's w- we're doing this running streak, right? And so when it's day 400, but it's 11:00 PM it's like I don't wanna do this.

Like, well, he did it today, so am I gonna lose to Tyler? No, I'm gonna go run.

Ally Brettnacher: No, I'm gonna do it. Yeah. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So.

Ally Brettnacher: Wow. Do you still have that streak going?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: You still run every day? Yeah. I didn't... Oh, wow. Okay, so how many years has that been? All three... Did you start it when you started training for the marathon or?

Wyatt Moss: So October 9th, 2023-

Ally Brettnacher: Okay ...

Wyatt Moss: was when it started because-

Ally Brettnacher: Wow ...

Wyatt Moss: this was, [00:11:00] this is something that no one knows about. I think I've only mentioned it, like, once, but- I was so busy over the summer, and we can get into this, like, all the things that happened since the 50 states leading up to the Relay for America that we just did this summer.

But I was so busy that I didn't really get to post a video, but July 4th was my day 1,000 of running a mile every day. So I had the- That's

Ally Brettnacher: so exciting ... huge

Wyatt Moss: celebration. 'Cause, you know, for anyone who wasn't following along, we did this relay from San Francisco to DC. Yeah. Another buddy of mine that I met during the marathon journey, his name's Joe Nail, absolute stud, and the two of us, we just sat down and we were like, "Okay, well, we gotta do something for the 250th.

Like, this is, it's crazy that no one is doing anything with running leading up to this massive holiday." So then we just decided, like, "All right. Well, we're gonna run across the country."

Ally Brettnacher: I have two of my previous podcast guests who actually carried the flag. Yeah. Oh- Actually, I don't think Trina ever carried the flag, but my friends Mary Pittman and Trina Roudebush both did a leg in Indiana.[00:12:00]

Wyatt Moss: That's

Ally Brettnacher: awesome. So, yeah. So I've heard a little bit. I interviewed them after, 'cause I had to hear all about that experience from the participants' side. Yeah. But I'm so excited I get to talk to one of the guys who actually planned it all.

Wyatt Moss: Well, that's the crazy part. You know, the only reason it happened is 'cause everyone was showing up and carrying the flag forward.

It wasn't like Joe and I were the ones that made this thing happen. Like- Yeah ... we, we did that initial input, and of course it wouldn't have happened if we didn't, like, take that initiative. But at the same time, every single day there was a new set of runners that would drive in. We had people driving 14 hours from Texas, or we had- Yeah

people fly in across the country from Florida to the start line in San Francisco. And so all just to carry the flag nonstop across the US over 20 days, so 24 hours straight. And that was the other thing is that, on day three, you know, we had started running out of runners as we were leaving San Francisco, but on day three when we were in Nevada and first entering in, it's desert.

There's... It's literally the loneliest highway in the United States. There's no one out there. Yeah. And [00:13:00] so props to our crew for just putting down miles every single day. I was out there filming the videos, editing, and posting, and so I couldn't go out there and run miles.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. And so,

Wyatt Moss: you know, everyone on our crew, we had 15 people that were making this thing happen from safety, logistics, to, uh, you know, operations on the, like, the website development and stuff like that.

So putting down miles every single day. Like, we had some people on our team that were putting down 20 miles day after day. But

Ally Brettnacher: that's

Wyatt Moss: the thing. We're all runners. We absolutely loved it. And being out there in the country, like, it was just... It felt like we were exploring, like, a whole new, you know, world.

Ally Brettnacher: R- it, it is interesting to think about that.

Well, and for somebody like you who's actually been to every state, I actually have been to every state, but I've not run in every state. Um, but, you know, you just have no idea what's really out there.

Wyatt Moss: Oh, the US- You

Ally Brettnacher: know? ...

Wyatt Moss: is incredible.

Ally Brettnacher: It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Everyone, everyone in the US travels to Europe because they think- Right

it's better. There are some really beautiful places in Europe, so I think you definitely should. But I was on the plane the [00:14:00] other day with a guy from, uh, Austria, and he flew- Yeah ... to the United States. He said, "Yeah, all of us, we take our vacations in the US because there's too many people in Europe, and there's no vast-

tracts of land." When you go out to Montana, you go out to Utah- Interesting ... Arizona, all these places, you can drive for hours, and then there's no one. And we always see that on road trips, like, especially in Kansas, where like you're driving- Right ... for hours and you don't see anyone.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It's

Wyatt Moss: always, like, a bore, like, "Oh, man, I have to drive through Kansas for eight hours."

But someone who's used to having people every 10 minutes-

Ally Brettnacher: That's a good point. Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: it, it's a whole different perspective. So I-

Ally Brettnacher: Right ... I

Wyatt Moss: think it's, we, we really have some great stuff here in the US that people don't really

Ally Brettnacher: appreciate. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I think about just, yeah, the trains.

You have... You're not driving a car really in Europe ever either, so you're, yeah, you're always around people. Yeah. Yeah. It is interesting. So I encourage people to explore the US, for sure, because I was so lucky I got to do that mostly as a kid. My parents took us around in an RV to all, like, most of the states, and it was so, [00:15:00] it was so cool just to be able...

I mean, yeah, I have no idea. So I hope to do that with my... I have little kids, so I hope to take them around too someday.

Wyatt Moss: And I saw that you have 70 half-marathons under your belt. That's crazy.

Ally Brettnacher: I do, Wyatt. And you know what? Don't mean to brag to somebody who has 100 marathons. No, just so funny because- ... I kind of forget how cool that is.

Wyatt Moss: It is

Ally Brettnacher: awesome. A lot of... You know? It's crazy. Well, I talk to crazy people like you, and I'm like, "Well, yeah, I've run, like, nine marathons," which... And then, you know, I have to remind myself, not, normal people do not run marathons.

Wyatt Moss: Or halves. Yeah. Normal people run. Yeah. You know, running is only a thing in the past, like, I, what was it, like, 2010 when half-marathons and marathons started kind of really first hitting the scene.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And then after that it was, like, 2016, and then again now, 2024, '

Ally Brettnacher: 25. So- It's crazy. Yeah. And I think- So-

Wyatt Moss: It's, uh, yeah Such a, such a weird world we live in that, like, now it's 100 is standard.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay, it's like, "Oh, [00:16:00] that's not impressive. Oh, you've never run an ultra?" Like, I mean, and I have now. Yeah. I did a 50K, but even when I did that, I was like, "I don't feel like an ultra runner."

It, it's, it's so weird to admit that, and people are like- Yeah ... "You stop that right now. You can't say that." But it's, you know, you see these ultra runners running hundreds of miles through the desert, and you're like, "Well, that's-" Yeah ... "a real ultra runner." But anyway, yeah. I did my 50th half-marathon in North Dakota as my 50th state.

Wyatt Moss: Oh, okay. So it was... You've done the 50 states for half-marathons.

Ally Brettnacher: Well, I haven't. It... So it was my 50th- Oh, okay ... state visited.

Wyatt Moss: Okay, cool.

Ally Brettnacher: So I, I have at, like, c- maybe a dozen or so states I've run in. Yeah. I, I might get to all of them at one point for running, but no, I've just been in every state, and so I thought it'd be cool to get- Yeah

my 50th state. And, um, North Dakota has a club that they give you a T-shirt, and it says, like, Last State Club. It's so funny. They have- They just embrace the fact that nobody comes there.

Wyatt Moss: They have so many clubs, too. When I was up there last year on the hitchhiking, we, my buddy and I, we hitchhiked through there, [00:17:00] and well, there's a club called We'll Run for Craft Beer, and they're just...

They were all out. The day we were there, it was their 10-year anniversary or something like that, and so yeah, they have a f- a founder. His name's Froda, and he's just the most energetic guy, just amazing. But I, that's the cool part. I feel that all of these cities around the US, running is now becoming really popular because it's just a thing that we do now.

But I feel like for North Dakota or for Kansas or for some of the, the places where there's not as many people, it's not as populated, I feel like communities, like run clubs, have been a thing for such a long time just to be the glue to hold the community together. Right.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So you don't, you'll have, like, your third-year anniversary in San Diego for a lot of these run clubs.

But then up in North Dakota- Yeah ... it's, like, 10 or 15 years. Like, they've been going- Yeah ... since college or whatever, so.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Yeah. It's, it's crazy. And Fargo's such a cute little city. Where'd you run in... And you just ran in South Dakota and North Dakota? Yeah. Or is your race just South Dakota-

Wyatt Moss: It was

Ally Brettnacher: both

[00:18:00] this last weekend? It was both. It was- Okay ...

Wyatt Moss: Saturday Bismarck, Sunday Sioux Falls.

Ally Brettnacher: Sioux Falls, okay. Yeah, cool. And you had been, you had run there before, obviously, since you've done all the 50 states, but I think I heard that South Dakota, the first time you did it, was really horrible.

Wyatt Moss: Well, it wasn't really hor- it was just the, the, the only one where t- it was a technicality

Ally Brettnacher: That's right.

Okay, so it was the technicality where you, it like, they canceled it 'cause it was too hot, right? Yes. Or something like that? Okay, that's right. So it was the technicality where you're like, "Well, shoot."

Wyatt Moss: So technically, technically my 50 states was, you know, S- S- Sunday, like two days ago when I ran Sioux Falls the full distance.

Technically, that's when-

Ally Brettnacher: If we're gonna get out the rule book on why, why it-

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna pull out the tape measure just to make sure, like-

Ally Brettnacher: Oh my gosh ... that's the- Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: That's funny. So you, and you wore all denim. I, I could talk to you for like two hours just about costumes.

Wyatt Moss: That's my favorite But

Ally Brettnacher: I mean, because I, I'll never forget, I have a [00:19:00] memory, and I was gonna try to pitch this idea to you to dress as corn for Monumental because Monumental one year I was, like, running fast for me and I was...

You know, and then I got passed- Yeah ... by a girl dressed as corn, and I was just like, "Ugh."

Wyatt Moss: Those videos are always the best, where it's, when I trained for 16 weeks just to get passed by a tree. That's one of those like-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ... Yeah. Right. So good. I love it. Ha- have you gotten passed by other people in costume that you remember?

Wyatt Moss: 100%. I mean, most of the time when I'm running these marathons, I'm really strong for the first 13, and then it gets to mile 15 and I start getting sweaty in the jeans or, you know, the ribs, and I'm, my f- stomach is full, and I'm like, "Okay." And then I start walking a little bit and then boom, I'm just gone.

So one of the things that I've learned from running all these marathons is that you just cannot stop. Like, if I ever see anyone walking, it, it's- Yeah ... it's so tough because, like, this past weekend I walked a ton and I wish someone was there for me just calling me out on it.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Being like- If I ever-

"Come on, let's go" ... see anyone walking, I'm like, "

Wyatt Moss: Hey, we got, you gotta keep going." Like, I promise you it's gonna hurt, but [00:20:00] it's also gonna hurt so much more if you just walk it.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Right. Like, '

Wyatt Moss: cause it, you know, if you give your- if you give yourself just a little bit of leeway, you're just gonna take it for everything, you know?

Exactly. "Oh, I'll walk for 10 seconds," but then it turns into a mile.

Ally Brettnacher: Right.

Wyatt Moss: But instead if you're like, "Okay, well, I just need to hold on for another 10 seconds," well, then you can just go run another mile and then you're back in it. Like, your body's like, "Oh, okay. We're good to go."

Ally Brettnacher: Yes. Yes. It's

Wyatt Moss: kind of a positive or a negative feedback loop.

You either- Yeah,

Ally Brettnacher: I think that's great advice.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I, I mean, and, and no shade to people who do, like, r- I mean, walk-run. I've always been curious about that strategy, but for me, I'm the same way. Yeah. Like, if my body stops moving- It's

Wyatt Moss: messed up ...

Ally Brettnacher: it is, it is gonna take so much more energy for me to get going again than it would've just to, like, slow down, just fuel or whatever my body needs, and then keep going.

Wyatt Moss: So one of the things we had mentioned at the start of the call was just all the challenges that happened kind of behind the scenes-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: before the 50 marathons kind of took off back in

Ally Brettnacher: 2024. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So I'll just go through some of those, 'cause this is also something that, you know, most people [00:21:00] have no idea about.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. I wanna talk to you about things people don't know, 'cause there's a, all these awesome podcasts you've been on to talk specifically about all these running challenges. I had to Google what the bike was called. I know. Penny Farthing? Penny Farthing. I didn't even... I had no idea that was the name of that bike.

No idea. So,

Wyatt Moss: I, so the first one... 'Cause I, I, I had seen this thing from Jesse Itzler, uh, called the Misogi, where you, like, you take on, like, a year-defining event. Yeah. But before that, I was kinda just doing one thing every year. I was like, "All right, what's gonna be my thing this year?" So it was cool now I have that term that he's kinda talked about in his- Right

in his speeches and stuff. But, so back in, like, 20- 2020, I graduated high school, went off to college, and then took a gap year just because it was during COVID. Wasn't the best year for me. So then 2021, that summer I had just had the idea. I was like, "All right. I'm gonna get my friends together, the three of us, we're gonna try to fundraise or do whatever we can just to go to all 50 states in 50 days."

That was the start of everything. What a crazy thing. You know, I had no idea that we'd [00:22:00] able to, we'd be able to pull that off, that, you know, we, we got a sponsor from this gas station called Racetrak that's local to like

Ally Brettnacher: South- That's so cool.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah. Yeah. Like, and it was a decent amount of money too. Like You know, for someone who had never really done anything, we just put the idea out there, and they just liked the idea so much.

Yeah. And all these, all these challenges, I'll get into it, how they, they kind of all build to, like, the same point of, like, you need a god-sized dream.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. But,

Wyatt Moss: you know, with that, we put out a video, and we're like, "All right. Could we get sponsored?" And I was like, "All right, God, whatever you want from my life, just..."

We asked that if this is your will, that you'd open the door. And then, of course, that sponsorship comes in, and then, you know, we built some tables and have enough to go do the 50 states. We get back, we ate Chipotle in all 50 states 'cause we were like, "Might as well." Chipotle sponsors us.

Ally Brettnacher: Why did you, why did you pick Chipotle?

I mean, I like Chipotle.

Wyatt Moss: I looked it up. They were in 46 states. They were really big in 2021 or 2020 for, like, sponsoring creators. Okay. The whole David Dobrik era, you know.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

Wyatt Moss: There was a big [00:23:00] YouTuber. His name St- you know David Dobrik? Have you

Ally Brettnacher: ever- I don't. I... Well, maybe if I saw his face. I'm bad sometimes with names.

Wyatt Moss: But he, he was giving away these, like, free Chipotle for a year- Okay ... like, cards and stuff. Yeah. And so I was like, "Oh, man," like, okay, if there was any company, they'd be the one. And so then, you know, we, we were able to get that sponsorship. Then, a- and that's the other thing. People always say, like, "Are you sponsored?"

I don't think people really know what it means to be sponsored. There's- Yeah ...

Ally Brettnacher: there's

Wyatt Moss: some- Such a good point ... like, like, some professional runners are sponsored athletes, where they run with Adidas, Nike, ASICS, whoever, and they run- Mm-hmm ... every single race, they're going for speed, and then the whole year, they get a certain amount of money to kind of live on just to go run these races.

That would be, like, a sponsored athlete. Sponsorships are way different, where, like, you can win a sponsorship but not be a sponsored creator from that company. Yeah. And most brands, that's what they're doing nowadays, where it's just you, you partner with them for one sponsorship but not for, like, a s- a sponsored series.

Right. BPM [00:24:00] is doing the whole thing where they're having sponsored creators, and so that's a different story.

Ally Brettnacher: That's so cool. I'm... I... It's good to see stuff like that happening, 'cause it's so hard as a creator, which we could talk about that a lot, too, but I wanna keep on the challenges topic for a minute.

Wyatt Moss: So after the Chipotle thing, you know, we won this... It was an endorsement. That's what they called it. We won this endorsement, and it was like, okay, well, cool, you know, what, what should we do next? And my buddies, they were trying to build a, a band at that point, and so then they kind of just went all in on doing that.

And so then I was like, okay, well, I gotta go do something in 2022. So it got towards, uh, the start of the year, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna go to 100 colleges in 100 days. I'm gonna try... I had this idea for an app. It was gonna connect college students. I was like, okay, this will be my way to go out and, you know, put the idea out there, get feedback, all those different types of things.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Did I have the money? No. Did I have the sponsorship? No. I literally actually, I called up a, a friend of ours, like, a family friend, and I was like, "Hey, is there any chance you could spot me the money?" So that I could go do this, and I'll pay you back when I get back with these [00:25:00] tables. And I'm so grateful.

Like, we sat down and figured it out, and they were like, "Yes, you know, this makes sense. Like, go, go do it, and when you come back..." And it wasn't a, a ton of money, but it was just, like, a, a couple thousand dollars worth. It was enough to get me going on that whole college series. What it ended up turning into was just me doing a road trip around the US, 'cause it was so hard to put out videos on a consistent basis.

It was so hard to go up and talk with people. Like, I was just basically door-knocking, you know, just frat houses and, uh, all these people. I would stop them in the street as they're walking- Yeah ... to class. I'm like, "Hey, can we talk about this idea that I have?" And a lot of people, they were really kind.

They're like, "Yeah, sure." And so anyways, that, w- with all things, it was just continuing to build. It was like, okay, well, at least I'm strengthening that, that gut feeling of, you know, I can go approach a stranger and just have a full conversation now. Back then, it was really difficult. Yeah. Or I can go take on this crazy idea without, you know, having every detail nailed down [00:26:00] Now, but like back then, you know, it was really scary just to take on any idea whatsoever.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah. How, for the 50 states just visiting in 50 days, how many, how much of that is flying versus driving? Oh, we both- Like, how does that shake out? Or you drove it all?

Wyatt Moss: We drove it all. Yeah. Then we- Oh ... flew to Alaska when we were in Seattle. Okay. We flew to Hawaii when we got back to Atlanta. And-

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

Wow ...

Wyatt Moss: and we were literally, we were in Hawaii for about 36 hours. So it wasn't like this like, "Oh, we just did this whole thing. Like we get to just, you know- ... put our feet up and like- Yeah ... vacation." It's like no, we're in, we're out.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Boom. But s- so then built some tables, paid it off. It's now 2023. I'm trying to figure out, okay, what am I gonna do this year, right? 2021 was the Chipotle, 2022 was the colleges. 2023, I had, there was a, a guy named Ryan Trahan, really big YouTuber, which I still would, you know, I think we'd be great friends.

I'd love to meet this guy in person. He, he did this series called the Penny Series, the [00:27:00] Penny Challenge, where it just, everything involving a penny. He did a couple of them year over year. Um, but one of them was going across the US using just one penny. So he started in San Francis- or in California with just a penny, and then he was, traded it up for a pen, and then did all these things just to get across the US.

And when he got to North Carolina at the end of it, you know, another big YouTuber, he delivered a, a penny, like a massive penny to this other YouTuber. That's funny. Right. Yeah. So, I, I, I saw that and I was like, okay, well, I could do a, a spin on the Penny series. And this was a year later, so I was like, okay, you know, I don't know if he's gonna do another Penny series, but I'll do my own and then maybe it'll coincide.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And so I started and, you know, of course the day I start, he also does another Penny series, so the whole, you know, tre- trending thing of like a penny-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: goes pretty well. But mine was going across the US on a penny farthing, which is like a penny, it's a bike with massive wheel-

Ally Brettnacher: Okay, now I see. Okay

Wyatt Moss: small wheel in the back. Yep. [00:28:00]

Ally Brettnacher: Oh my God.

Wyatt Moss: And yet again, big idea, really cool thing to take on Really tough to execute.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, where the hell do you get one?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah. There's, there's one company that makes them still up in San Francisco. Wow. I had to ask a, a friend of mine who I'd met during the college tour at Boise if I could crash with him at his parents' house and if I could ship the bike there.

And then, you know, of course, he drove me down to the start line or, like, the, you know, the S- Santa Monica Pier-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: was the start. And then day one of that whole thing, 'cause the, the tough part, I al- I always take on these really big ideas and I'm like, "I'll just figure it out on the fly," or, like, you know, they're, they're, they're too big to do as, like, a solo creator with no experience, no resources.

Yeah. But I was like, "You know what? Who cares? I'm just gonna go do this thing. I'm just gonna go try even if I'm not prepared."

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So I get there and, and I'm like, "The... Here's the idea. I'm gonna bike across the US. The miles that I bike, that's the money I can spend on a hotel." The first day, I had never ridden [00:29:00] this bike more than, like, a half mile just, like, to try it out.

Oh my God. And then I, I try to start, you know, biking up

Ally Brettnacher: the- How do you, how do you get on it? Like, and also is it hard to ride once you get on it?

Wyatt Moss: Very hard. The reason why this idea never took off back when they made this, like, hundreds of years ago is because it's direct connection to the wheel, which means that there's no gear.

You have to continuously move forward So you slow down by slowing the pedals by kind of like putting pressure on it, which means that you cannot brake the bike My God Like, there's no brakes. You can't just stop- ... out of nowhere. Right? So, okay, so what does that mean? Oh, my God. That means if you're at a stoplight and you need to slow down and stop, you have to like slowly pedal and come to a stop.

You can't just like, you know, bail and jump off or like slam the brakes on.

Ally Brettnacher: My gosh.

Wyatt Moss: So there were all these things that-

Ally Brettnacher: Wyatt, that is nuts Well, yeah That is

Wyatt Moss: nuts The thing that was even more nuts was day one, I didn't bike enough miles, so I just literally stayed awake in a parking [00:30:00] garage, like a parking deck in, you know, um, there's a city right north of, uh, Los Angeles.

Okay So I, I gave up pretty soon on that one. Same situation. It's like a big idea, hard execution, and it kind of fell through as I was doing it. Yeah But I still did it. I just, I put myself out there.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Right.

Wyatt Moss: I got through it all. Um, I was in Nashville 'cause I, I ended up like taking, whatchamacallits, uh, buses across the US.

Mm. I'd bike the miles and then I'd pay for a bus ticket and then I'd go take the bus to the next city. So I biked in cities across the US. Right? I had to change the definition a little bit. Right. And then I got to Nashville and of course, r- you know, the day I was gonna catch the, the final bus headed out to North Carolina to be done with the whole series, I, I'm, I'm biking.

It's the morning. It's really nice. There's like a deer in this field right here. And then boom, I like nail the pavement because I had a sign that was on the side of the bike. It caught the wheel. No. Absolutely just, you know, hit with my helmet. Jeez Luckily I was wearing

Ally Brettnacher: a helmet Yeah

Wyatt Moss: And I [00:31:00] actually have a, I, I forget where the scar is, like a scar right here on my eye.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah

Wyatt Moss: Where- Oh my God ... yeah, just from hitting the pavement really hard.

Ally Brettnacher: That's nuts. But- Okay, so when you biked, did you switch to a normal bike or were you still on the penny-farthing?

Wyatt Moss: No, I would just bike on the penny-farthing. I did, there was one city where like the bus was leaving and I was like, "Okay, I gotta get the miles."

So I did Planet Fitness miles. Just- Well, how'd

Ally Brettnacher: you get, how'd you get the bike on the bus?

Wyatt Moss: Th- yeah, you're not allowed to do that.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. So how did you get it around?

Wyatt Moss: I just did it.

I just like- That's crazy ... I, I need to, I, this is my bike, I gotta carry it, you know, I gotta go across country. They're like, "We can't do that, sir."

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

Wyatt Moss: Well.

Ally Brettnacher: Well, well, we're doing it. So they like shove it in the underneath somehow?

Wyatt Moss: I mean, they, they- The

Ally Brettnacher: thing is hu- big. Yeah. I mean.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, it's like six feet or five feet

Ally Brettnacher: tall.

That's crazy. That is so crazy. I can't even.

Wyatt Moss: Get back from that, you know, a couple months of building tables, pay it off, and then this is 2023. Right. So now it's, I was living in Nashville at the time. I, I moved back home with my, with my mom, and then it's end of the [00:32:00] year and I'm like, okay. On the phone with my buddy Tyler, I'm like, "Dude, I, you know, I need to pull my life together.

I need to do something. Like, if I'm not gonna go to college, I'm not gonna take the typical path, and I wanna be a creator, like I, I just, I know that I have the skillset for these things. I'm enthusiastic on camera and all this different stuff, like creative, like, but I just need to go do something. What could that be?"

And so then that's when we started. We're like, all right, well, let's actually start training. Let's actually start, you know, running one mile every day. That's something we can do every day just to become physically disciplined. And then now, you know, next time I take on a series, maybe I'll have the discipline to actually edit the videos and press post.

That was the problem up to this point, was like I would take on all of these challenges- Yeah ... but videos would never go out. 'Cause it's- Yeah ... the hard part is not doing the thing. It's the editing of it. Yeah. It's the, the admin work, the maintenance. That's all the re- Are

Ally Brettnacher: you, are you a perfectionist when it comes to editing?

Wyatt Moss: Very. '

Ally Brettnacher: Cause that's how I am, and that's why, I mean, I have so much video footage on my phone-

Wyatt Moss: Yeah ...

Ally Brettnacher: of just like, like, well, I should probably make a video using that because I... But- Yeah ... [00:33:00] just think about it too much, and then it never happens. So I, I can see how that would be so hard when you're doing all of these things.

Wyatt Moss: And well, and people think, 'cause like you had said, you have all these podcast guests on here, and you think like, oh, 70 mar- half marathons is nothing. But it is. It's, it's incredible. Yeah. Right? But it's- Yeah ... so nowadays people think the same across the board with anything. So you look at, you look at creators on social media.

It's like, oh, well, in order for me to be a successful creator, it means I have to go take on this crazy idea, and I guess, yeah, I don't know if I'm... I'm, I'm kinda like a poster child of that, of like taking on the god-sized dream, but then also like falling flat on my face, literally, 'cause of like the penny-farthing bike.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Yeah. Oh my God.

Wyatt Moss: So maybe my advice to a creator would be like- Do it, but don't necessarily expect it to be perfect or to, to have- Right ... results from it. Or take the other path of just, you know, I'm doing 100 pushups every day for a year, and, like, do something really consistent for an entire year.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Right. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: One will make for a great story, one will make for a [00:34:00] great business, and, you know, eventually, hopefully the story w- will become a business. But,

Ally Brettnacher: you know. Yeah. I, I wrote that down, actually, when I was... I was mid-run today, or no, yesterday, listening to the Run It podcast, and I was like, when you said that, like, well, you know, if you fail or if you do...

Something mes- you know, it makes for a better story. Oh, yeah. And I was like, I love that outlook on that. It's, makes a lot of sense.

Wyatt Moss: There was someone, like some example online and where it was, we're basically a mosaic of all the people we've met or all the experiences that we've had. But a mosaic is just broken glass.

It's like, you know, you gotta break some glass to have a beautiful mosaic. That's one example. Then there's another one where it was like, uh, uh, back in stoicism times, they would have a cup that would break, and then they would fix it or mend it using gold inside of the, you know, glue or whatever it is.

So you could see the gold inside of the cracks once it's mended. And so the whole idea is, like, whatever breaks you, like, that's what makes you beautiful. Yeah. And so all these [00:35:00] things together, like, you know, with any of these, it makes for a great story, and, and what better would you want? Like, people have this idea that they want just to make a ton of money, retire early.

Like, I even want that idea, you know? That sounds great. Yeah. It always sounds great. And then, you know, you look at all the people who have all the money in the world and that are, they, they have no responsibility, but then it's, they, now they wanna go break something just so that something is interesting.

Right.

Ally Brettnacher: Like,

Wyatt Moss: they wanna go do

Ally Brettnacher: anything. Yeah. Right. So. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna talk about the tables 'cause you've mentioned them a few times.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: And I mean, you could have gal- gone all in and been, like, a woodworking creator. Did you ever s- do some of that at the beginning when you were doing that, and how did you get into woodworking just to begin with?

Wyatt Moss: There's a lot of really successful creators that do woodworking I love building tables. It's a creative outlet, and I, I started doing it, uh, let's see, back in high school actually. Oh, maybe this was one of, like, the first, before social media days, one of the first, like- ... big ideas I ever took [00:36:00] on. I... There was a, a library.

They had cut down a tree. I paid them 50 bucks to drop it off at, at my mom's, you know, front yard.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh my gosh.

Wyatt Moss: And I was gonna turn it into a table, and he's like, "Yeah, sure. We can, we can drop it off." This tree is three feet wide, three and a half feet wide. It was massive. Pecan tree, just super- What'd

Ally Brettnacher: your mom say?

Wyatt Moss: I was like, "Hey, Mom-

Ally Brettnacher: Like, like, "What are you doing with this tree, Wyatt?"

Wyatt Moss: Well, I had been talking about woodworking, you know, for... 'Cause it was during COVID, and I was like-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ... "

Wyatt Moss: I've been talking about woodworking. Like, I'm gonna go try to build a table." I was like, "This would be a cool opportunity." And then-

of course she's like, "Sure. Whatever." And then when it's there, it's like, "Oh my gosh." And so, y- I found a, someone- Big tree ... nearby, and I had rented their chainsaw, and I, I literally was cutting this massive tree into slabs. I dried them out. I made it into a table, and I- Wow ... uh, delivered it to a, a friend of mine, uh, her parents' restaurant.

They had started a new restaurant. Cool. Yet again, it wasn't necessarily perfect, but I did the thing, and they didn't... You know, they just [00:37:00] paid for materials cost. They didn't have to pay me for my time at all, 'cause I was just learning. Right. So I guess all of these different things, like, you take on the big idea, figure it out.

Maybe in that scenario I, I shouldn't have done it because it was for someone else. Like, if other people are relying on you, you wanna be able to, you know, already have experience and not just-

Ally Brettnacher: Right ...

Wyatt Moss: try something out for the first time.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah.

Wyatt Moss: But yeah, so then that got me into tables, and through 2022 and 2023, that's how I kind of would pay for some of these-

Ally Brettnacher: Right

Wyatt Moss: trips and stuff like that. Trips

Ally Brettnacher: and stuff, which is incredible. Where did, how did you sell them? Like, did you have a Etsy or you just word of mouth? Wow.

Wyatt Moss: Word of mouth, Etsy. I sold one off TikTok once. And, you know, I-

Ally Brettnacher: That's so cool ...

Wyatt Moss: well, the guy did, he ended up only paying me like 75% of it, not the full amount, so I was

Ally Brettnacher: like, "Great."

Oh, cool. Great. All right. Well- So- ... lesson learned.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, and it was always really fun. The, the tough part- It's very hands-on. So you can be a really great woodworker, but a lot of the content creators, they actually make more money from [00:38:00] social media than they do from the building their actual work. And then once they make a living from social media, now their work is worth more.

So it's like a po-

Ally Brettnacher: So fascinating. Right. Yeah, yeah,

Wyatt Moss: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but the hard part is for a young, ambitious guy that's full of energy, you know, sitting in a, a shop building tables and sitting down editing videos, that wasn't necessarily something I wanted to do- Makes sense ... now. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So I was...

That's why I decided to take the path of like, okay, well I'll just go do crazy physical endurance challenges. And so then, yeah, that brings us to 2023, get back from the Penny Farthing. I broke my wrist, so there was a couple months where it was

Ally Brettnacher: like,

Wyatt Moss: you know-

Ally Brettnacher: When you fell on the bike, when you fell over?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, it literally tore off part of my bone, so.

Ally Brettnacher: How, were you by all alone? I'm just like picturing you falling o- like falling off of this giant bike, and then you're like stranded in the middle of a field. I don't know where, I can't remember where you were at the time,

Wyatt Moss: but. Very, very good description. The- Uh, I was living in Nashville [00:39:00] at the time with my friends that I did the whole 50 states tour with.

And my buddy John, he drove out, picked me up, and brought me to the hospital. He thought I was pulling a prank on him. I was like, "John," I'm literally crying. Man, this is the most pain- Like- ... I've ever been in. Like this hurts so bad. My shoulder was like out of socket for a full-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: about day.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh my

Wyatt Moss: gosh. I

Ally Brettnacher: think I,

Wyatt Moss: I like woke up, and like I tried to like stretch or whatever, and it popped into socket, and I literally gasped.

I was like, "Oh my gosh."

Ally Brettnacher: Oh.

Wyatt Moss: It hurts so

Ally Brettnacher: bad. Sounds awful. Sounds awful. And- Oh my gosh ...

Wyatt Moss: so, yeah, a lot of, a lot of- So, but then I get to the end of that year. I, I'd moved back home with my mom. I was like, "I'm gonna pay off, you know, the, the rest of the series yet again," and then finally get to that spot where I'm like, "I'm good to go.

It's October." Start running the mile every day with my buddy Tyler, and my mentor had sent me this devotion. I, I work with this nonprofit, it's called Whisper. They started-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, I was gonna ask you about who your me- yeah, how you found a mentor and who that person is, so continue.

Wyatt Moss: Brian Davidson. Brian

Ally Brettnacher: Davidson.

Incredible

Wyatt Moss: [00:40:00] guy. Speaks life into me in every conversation that we have, and has taught me so much just in the work that we've done together. So Whisper is a, a nonprofit based in Atlanta. We, we're in 35, 40 schools around this area. The goal would be to go anywhere in the US. We have people who have reached out from DC, North Carolina, um, even from Oregon, that wanna be involved in some capacity.

And so what we do is, our whole thing is we're trying to build community in middle, high school, and college campuses, and the way we do that is by hosting conversations. Truly all it is, is just a really good set of questions that high school students can use as a structure for a conversation with their friends.

Because most of the time we have conversations with people and we're trying to get cop- back up after, like, not seeing them for a while. It's like, "How you doing?" "Good." And then that's the conversation.

Ally Brettnacher: Right.

Wyatt Moss: Our whole thing is we're trying to move the conversation beyond good. We're trying to have more- Yeah

in-depth conversations, and the way you do that is by just structuring it with the right questions. So we have these, this [00:41:00] card deck, I have it over there. But this card deck of questions that it's anywhere from what's your story to, you know, what does it look like to show love, right? Mm-hmm. We call it CARES, so compassion, appreciation, respect, encouragement, support.

Wow. This is a whole side of my life that no one has any idea about.

Ally Brettnacher: So cool too. I'm like, man, I need that deck. Like even when I think about podcasting- I'll send you one. I'll send you one ... I, I wanna ask unique, like, more interesting questions than- Yeah ... simply... Yeah, that's so cool.

Wyatt Moss: So this is the nice part about working with a, a nonprofit where I can do the thing that I excel at, which is ideas.

I can be really creative in that field, but we have a designer who's really creative and he made the whole design. And so you can do things together as a team that you couldn't do by yourself, and also fully volunteer. I'm just like, "Hey, I know the work that I do with Whisper will work on me more than I'll work on it."

It'll, uh, it'll teach me so many things- Yes ... about my character. Yeah. I think so many people are always focused on the end goal of like, "I need [00:42:00] money to survive," which you do, but at the same time, if you're never forming your character, then you'll have all the money in the world, and then it won't be worth anything.

You won't be able to, you know, act on the fly like I do in, in all the, the videos, right? Where-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: that's just because I have all of these different experiences that have allowed me to go- Act on the fly, in the moment Yeah Um, 'cause a lot of people, they just don't even know how to change their tire, you know?

But-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Then, so I'm missing one of them, but like we've got, uh, the sparks, how to ask questions, flow, how to have a conversation, moments, how to make meaningful moments, uh, cares, how to love others deeply, and then virtues, how to live fully, and then what's your story?

Ally Brettnacher: Oh.

Wyatt Moss: Um, so then virtues is just inspired by the, the fruit of the spirit.

It's like, "Hey, how do you recognize the fruit of the spirit in the day-to-day life?" Love- Yeah ... joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. And so anyways, working on these questions has been just life-changing for me 'cause these are things I never would have thought of.

When [00:43:00] I left high school, I didn't think- Right ... I was gonna be sitting down to like, you know, think about, like what does it mean to have compassion?

Ally Brettnacher: So what, what was the first marathon of the 50 states then on that, in that year, 2024? Houston. Hou- That's right. Okay, I did know that.

Wyatt Moss: Texas.

Ally Brettnacher: Houston, Texas. Boom.

And then how did you plan out... I think you had a spreadsheet, right, where you like planned-

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, I had a Google Doc-

Ally Brettnacher: How... Okay ...

Wyatt Moss: where basically I got, I just looked up on... And ev- This is, it's so funny. I think people aren't able to build out these things 'cause they just aren't willing to sit for three hours and like just-

Ally Brettnacher: Right

Wyatt Moss: you just gotta be wi- willing to sit and like do the boring work. So I sat down, but it was actually kind of fun. I was like, "Okay, what are the biggest marathons in the country?" Like I would wanna do that first. And so I put all 25 of the biggest ones i- on the schedule. Literally, I just, I just, you know, I sat down and typed out January 7th, January 14th, January 21st, and like all of the weekends for the whole, whole year.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And then I was like, "Okay, well, what are the..." I put all, all the big [00:44:00] ones on the schedule. What are the other states that I need? And I tried to find those ones. And just slowly, it took me like, uh, you know, two full days on one weekend to pull it together. Yeah. But now I have this schedule, and it's like, holy cow, it's actually possible.

So a lot of people, like they have the big dream. I actually have like a whole wall of all these note cards of these ideas that I have, and I feel like- Yeah ... a lot of people, they have that, right? If, you know, they're ambitious, they get to the spot, they put it up on the wall. But then they never take that first step of like, all right, well, I gotta just do one of these and sit down and do the boring work for five hours.

But once they do that, it becomes possible. That's like the door. You know- Yeah ... when you sit down and do that, what is the practical, what is this gonna take, the schedule, that gave me the confidence. I was like, "Okay, well, logistically it's possible. I'm gonna pursue this."

Ally Brettnacher: Well, and I think now I'm sure people have said this to you, but, like, don't you wish you would've had Claude?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah. I mean, ChatGPT was around. But, but there's something ... Even though we have all these tools, there's something about the work [00:45:00] that, yet again, the work works on you more than you work on it.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Is the, is the result, the, the best result, is the best result having your homework finished, right? Or the exam finished, or, like, an A in this class?

Or is it being able to walk into any circumstance in the field that you're trying to go into and be the expert in the field? Like, you don't get paid for having 100 on your exam because you used Claude. But you do get paid because you walk into this random scenario and you have the information at, at hand.

Right. And then you're the expert, and people can lean on you, and you have confidence. Yeah. You have experience. Like, you don't get that from just getting the answer. Yeah. You get it from finding the answer.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. If ...

Wyatt Moss: I can throw another devotion at you. Sure. You ready?

Ally Brettnacher: Yep, bring- sure, bring it on.

Wyatt Moss: July 28th, from My Utmost For His Highest, talks about how God doesn't want us to have a particular finish line, but rather He wants us to be in the process, because He can't work on us if we're done.

And so then our [00:46:00] goal, human goals, are always like, "Oh, man, I'll, I'll, I'm gonna finish this whole thing. When I do the 50 states marathon challenge, my life will be complete. I'll be so much better." It's like, no- ... I've done it. I can tell you. I'm doing it for my second time. You know, it's, it's not like it's gonna

It, it, it is incredible, but the thing that changed me was not finish line in Hawaii, it was all the things along the way in the process. God can only work on you when you're in it, not when you're- Yeah ... done with it. Yeah. And so then now f- the goal for our life is, like, well, find something that's a process, where God can cont- continually work through you, and then as well that you continually have to rely on him.

Mm-hmm. Everyone wants to be retired and done and finished. But the, the problem there is that there's no faith. And when there's no faith, you lose the light, you lose the spark that, that makes it exciting. People like the videos that I put out because it's like, "Am I gonna make my flight? Who knows?"

Ally Brettnacher: Ooh.

Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, that's so funny.

Wyatt Moss: And, and then, then- ... there's a little bit of faith there. It's like, you know. Yeah. But

Ally Brettnacher: the

Wyatt Moss: broader idea of just having faith in [00:47:00] something-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: and it ke- keeps things interesting, you know?

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. Well, and I think about all the work that goes into doing it, like, where you piece it together yourself.

Well, then it all happens how it was supposed to happen.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah. It-

Ally Brettnacher: So.

Wyatt Moss: And then there's things along the way where I have all these plans in mind, but then this weekend gets canceled, or this one over here. But that's what makes it interesting.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, like a challenge, uh, truly like a challenge and- It is a challenge

problem to over- yeah, yeah. And,

Wyatt Moss: and what a blessing to, like, to actually have something meaningful that's actually gonna use- All of my strength- Mm-hmm ... and like really challenged me to the core. That itself is a blessing 'cause we, we think that if we had everything, if it was just smooth sailing, that that would be, that's the blessing.

But the blessing, I think, is just the things that pull more out of you. Because, you know, it's like a helicopter parent that steals every opportunity from their kids for any type of growth whatsoever, and then those kids grow up to [00:48:00] be anxious and ob- obnoxious or, uh, high-maintenance or- Yeah ... you know, they don't wanna work or whatever it is, and they've just stolen the joy from these kids' lives.

Instead, the parents that let their kid fall on the grass, and then when they fall, they don't rush to pick 'em up. They just look at 'em, it's like, "You're okay," and they get back up and they start running again. And like that's what my mom has done for me. One of the, the greatest blessings ever is just my, my mom has just continually breathed life and also just trusted.

Not that I would do it or finish it, like, perfectly, but that I would... I wouldn't stop until I completed the challenge. She told me that after the 50 states. She was like, "All right, Wyatt, like, you know, I'm, I'm so proud of you. Um, I didn't know if you would do it in one year, but I knew you wouldn't stop till you finished."

And that's the, the, I think that's the key is just, like, in any area of life, it's like are you willing to go the distance for the marathon? There's so many people that drop out at mile 18. It's like, bro, if you walked for another hour and a half-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: one. Like, just go walk those miles, you know?

Ally Brettnacher: [00:49:00] Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: There's, uh, I did the whole... You know, after the t- 50 states marathon challenge, I had just such an incredible opportunity to have a full sponsorship, which should not have happened, another God moment, to go run a marathon on all seven continents in seven days. So that was the next up in the

Ally Brettnacher: sequ- N- that story is nuts how that came together.

Wyatt Moss: The crazy part is that there were two ladies that ran seven marathons in seven days, or walked. They walked 'em. Uh, 68 years old, and they still were doing it every single day. And so Lisa and Molly, those were their names, and they were, there were 65 of us on the plane, and they were the, the two oldest ladies on the plane, and still young and full of life, right?

And they were walking- That's awesome ... 26 miles every day for seven days. So they did the challenge. It's like if y- you know, what's your excuse, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Right. Yeah. So- Were you the youngest one on the plane?

Wyatt Moss: There was a... It was rumored that there was, like, a son of a Chinese billionaire on the [00:50:00] plane. Oh, interesting.

We, we don't know... He was, he was younger than me. We don't know how he got there, and he was kind of, like, doing the half-marathon some days, the full others. But they were like, "Yeah, he's just, you know, he's here to, like, prove it or whatever." I don't know. So I was not the youngest.

Ally Brettnacher: That is really interesting.

I wonder, yeah, who the heck that was.

Wyatt Moss: But I was... I mean, I like to smile, right? It's so fun. Who, who doesn't like to smile?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And a lot of people are... They're, they're just focused and they're like, "All right, super serious, seven marathons, gotta have my prep down," all these different things. And then you get to mile 24, and, like, I'm just, like, dancing and smiling and, like, jumping around.

And it's not, like, happy-go-lucky, but it's more just, like, I think that's what l- that's what the, to be filled with the Spirit hopefully is like, is just to, to have that joy that's just contagious, where it's like, man. I mean, people have DM'd me. I have this folder on my phone which, this is one of those things where it took a lot of time to pull together, but I'm so glad [00:51:00] that I, that I took the time.

From all of the DMs across the board from anyone who's ever sent me, a screenshot of all the ones where it's just positive things. And it just goes, it just goes, and it's crazy. And so now I'm... It's called, For When Times Get Tough. I just click on any of those things and I read them, and it reminds me of those little things.

And-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: that's the... There's another devotion that I had read. All these things really help. Like, these devotions, read every single day just to kind of, you know, slowly just push you through all these little moments in life. And y- the Holy Spirit will help you remember all these little things. Um, where God doesn't tell you where the source of the stream is, right?

Y- you, you won't... And also, you don't know where, where it goes. It goes out into the ocean, and you have no idea. But it goes through mountains and it goes through rivers and, like, this water passes through. And Basically, the whole idea was that, uh, you won't see the, the outcome of everything you do when God is working through you, but that's actually to your benefit.

Because if you did, [00:52:00] then maybe you'd start taking credit for it, or people, you know, would glorify you, and if, and if you're taking that credit, like, you're denying the source, right? Instead, if you're like a stream where it's like, okay, I don't know what the result of this is gonna be, but I know that if I just show up right now for my portion of whatever his plan is, God's plan is, then things will happen through me that I won't see the result of, but I just know the stream reaches the ocean.

Like, it has its source, and I- it's just passing through me right now. And yeah, so I think the, all those DMs are just reminders where it's like, I had no idea that me running these marathons, and then as well, just, you know, speaking life or just y- just smiling or whatever it is, could have this impact on people.

So good. We have no idea the, the profound impact that we have on everyone around us every single day. Right. If only we just let God shine through us and d- you know, there's that quote from what, whoever it is, like, uh, one of the presidents where they were like, "Just imagine what would happen if we didn't care about who got credit," [00:53:00] that whole thing.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh my gosh. Like- Yeah, just imagine. Yeah. And so you did the seven continents, seven days. Who, who else was there with y- you? There was a couple women who were super, super fast that did, like, th- just over three-hour marathons every day.

Wyatt Moss: I, I don't remember their names.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

Wyatt Moss: I do remember one was from, uh, I believe she was from Japan or Korea- Okay

racing, and she was, like, a really fast ultra runner. She, she, you know, she did- That's crazy ... the Marathon des Sables. Really cool. Um, and then there was one lady from Spain. She had a documentary crew.

Those

s- seats are expensive, and she had two other people on the plane with her-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: filming the whole thing. She had- Crazy ... mom of six kids. And so first and second place, you would think, like... There's this whole thing going on right now in social media where it's like B- basic, uh, j- you know, the, all the things with, um, female empowerment and, and stuff with the Sydney Sweeney, all that stuff.

Oh,

Ally Brettnacher: [00:54:00] yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Wyatt Moss: Anyways, and then also in another sphere of, like, there's runner, her whole thing w- just about be, you know, be the girl or be the boys. That's her whole thing. Well, for this race, like, first and second place every single day were two women. They were averaging 3:13, 3:15 marathons- Insane

every day for seven days. Yeah. So, like- Yeah ... and then you have the two 68-year-old ladies. It doesn't matter that they were last place. They were still doing it, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: I don't think the... My whole thing is just like, all right, whoever is out there doing it, if they have the right reasons, I'm gonna cheer them on, right?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. For the guys that are going, for the girls that are going, like, I'm just, I'm just there to support anyone.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Mm. Yeah, I feel that strongly, too. Well, and then, okay, let's talk about a challenge, too, that you failed technically because of visa issues. Um- The Seven Wonders of the World, which was really cool, but you made it to six out of seven.

Yeah. Was that, this was, what- That was- What is today? September- ... 20- ... 2025. Okay, so that [00:55:00] was last year.

Wyatt Moss: So after the Seven Continents just changed my life, I was like, "I gotta have another series to kind of follow up after this." And I mean, it's almost like a, when you get hit by a wave at the ocean, and you just get knocked, and you're like-

you have to stand up, and then the next wave is coming, and you're like, "Okay, I, you know, I gotta do something. I gotta get ready." So, and I guess that's life, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It is, it is. But,

Wyatt Moss: so I was like, "Okay, I gotta do something," and then, uh, I took, a couple months after the Seven Continents, I was still pa- paying off the 50 states.

That was the thing. People think like, "Oh, man, you got this massive sponsorship. You go do the Seven Continents. You must be rolling in it." It's like, dude, I was still paying off the 50 states marathons in May and June of 2025, like months after I had done the Seven Continents. So I think, you know, absolute blessing, but as well, one of the reasons I was able to get that contract signed in the short timeframe that we needed it was because I told them, "Hey, I won't, you don't have to [00:56:00] pay me.

I'll just go do it for the cost of the series." Right? And a lot of people would- Yeah ... a lot of people would've fallen through because they're like, "No, I need to get paid this amount," but-

Ally Brettnacher: Yep ...

Wyatt Moss: there's so many problems there. So anyways- that element of faith that it just ultimately it will pay off. I just have to keep- Yes

pushing forward.

Ally Brettnacher: Yep.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah. So the seven, seven wonders, I was like, "Okay, I wanna do seven wonders in seven days. I'll go run a 10K at every wonder of the world." And I did the logistics, I sold the rest of the wood that I had in the garage to pay for the whole thing, and then I booked all the flights. And of course, I, you know, day one, uh, I have to rebook a flight, and then there's a war going on, uh, in, in Israel, and then, like, there's missiles going over Jordan, which is the one of the world wonders that I was gonna fly into.

The flight gets delayed, it gets canceled. I have to go through Egypt now. I didn't have my visa there. And so then, like, so many different things along the way.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: But I feel like in the thick of it, just like, "All right. [00:57:00] We're not stopping. Like, I've already booked all these flights. I have to make this happen."

I think that's the cool part about, like, one of these God-sized dreams is, like, it requires the best from you. It's like, okay, I gotta go. You know, don't... Yet again, don't gamble your life on it, but do do something that, like, will pull you to a higher plane and requires you to be at the top of your game constantly.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And so then I get to number, the sixth one, Brazil, uh, Christ the Redeemer.

Ally Brettnacher: Quick break in my conversation with Wyatt to tell you about a couple upcoming events related to the CNO Financial Indianapolis Monumental Marathon. So if you are running or you live locally and wanna participate, together with Lindsay Hein, there's two events I really wanna tell you about. One is a free event. It's a shakeout run on Friday, November 6th at the beautiful Bottleworks Hotel. Lindsay and I are partnering with a few other women-owned businesses, Bound Running, Fila Endurance, and Rerun. And we're gonna have a shoe decorating station, a bib decorating s- station, carbs, coffee, and [00:58:00] of course, a shakeout run, a three-mile run that'll be out and back on the Monon Trail, And then after your race on Saturday, we are hosting a party at The Brothers Bar and Grill downtown with Athletic Annex, our local run specialty store, and Brooks Running. We are yet to announce the speakers for that, but they are coming. And we're also hoping a, American record holder in the debut marathon might be in attendance as well. but it's gonna be a fun party. It's 3:00 to 6:00 PM. Tickets are $40. You can use code FLAMS, F-L-A-M-S, for Finish Lines and Milestones, for $10 off of your ticket, and wearing your medal is highly encouraged.

I'm gonna link to both of these events in the show notes. Sadly, Wyatt's travel prohibits him from coming to either one of those but if he was in town, he would. You should get excited for the race with us and celebrate with us.

It's gonna be such an incredible weekend. Okay. Thank you for the support. All right, back to my conversation with Wyatt

Wyatt Moss: And so then I get to number, the sixth one, Brazil, uh, Christ the Redeemer.

[00:59:00] And of course-

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, yeah ... it- And you're like, I really wanna go there too 'cause that's- Yeah ... such a special place. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: It is massive. I mean, it, it's, it's just... And Brazil is just beautiful, and a lot of runners there, so it would've been great.

And so anyways, the... I had, I was there in February, and I didn't need a visa. But in May, they had put out this thing where you need a visa to travel, and now it's, it's J- July 2nd or whatever, and I didn't have my visa. So I couldn't even enter the country. Like, I, I had to leave the airport. I had to book another flight- Wow

at the airport- Wow ... to go to Panama, which is, like, a US, uh, safe country, US passport country. And then I'm up there, and I had to rebook another flight, so it was way more expensive than I thought it was gonna be to go down to Lima for... I guess that was number five for Christ the Redeemer. So for number six in Machu Picchu.

And then- Wow ... yet again, beautiful. I mean, Machu Picchu, usually when people go there, there's this whole thing where it's like, I hiked all these hours just to show up and for it to have [01:00:00] clouds covering it.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, right. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: The day I was there, blue skies. Oh, good. Absolutely beautiful, so it's a blessing.

Ally Brettnacher: Thank goodness.

Wyatt Moss: Went to the, the, uh, Chichen Itza, the final one in Mexico. And then- Of course, July 4th at Peachtree Road Race in Atlanta. So I do, with all these things that I'm, I'm taking on, I really wanna get to the spot where one day I'm able to be the guy sponsoring someone to go do this. I wanna give someone else this- Yeah

whole experience. Yeah. I've learned so much from it. I know how to... Like, the logistics are second nature now. I can figure these things out. Yeah. The videos, telling people what to film and all that type of stuff.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah. This

Wyatt Moss: Run for America, like, we had a team of people- Yeah ... on the, the social media. I didn't necessarily do the best job, but I did a good enough job to give enough direction to where it was like we got 85 million views in- Yeah

three weeks.

Ally Brettnacher: It's crazy. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: That's-

Ally Brettnacher: Incredible ...

Wyatt Moss: what, for the, for, just for context for people listening along, you know, running a marathon on all seven [01:01:00] continents in seven days, I posted 65 videos, and I got 18 million views, 20 million views over the week. So that's crazy. But for three weeks- Yeah ... to get, to sustain 85 million views for three weeks Just crazy

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Dang So- Yeah, that is incredible ...

Wyatt Moss: but, uh, eventually I wanna be the one sponsoring the athletes-

Ally Brettnacher: Other b- yeah. Right ... and that's

Wyatt Moss: where the shorts comes in.

Ally Brettnacher: The shorts.

Wyatt Moss: With the medals.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Right. Gosh, there's so many things to talk to you about. Well, you do- do you sleep, uh, sometimes?

Wyatt Moss: I sleep a lot.

Ally Brettnacher: That's good.

Well, that... well, when you're between races I guess you can, but I just... I look at your videos, I'm like, "Does he ever... where did... when does he go to bed?" Like- When does he stop running?

Wyatt Moss: I think a lot of people, they, like, they, they don't put enough importance on, like, the moment. But when I'm there in the moment, boom, I'm there.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And I get... like, most of my, you know, most of what I do is in the moment. It's during the Seven Continents. It's during the [01:02:00] Seven Wonders. It's during the Relay for America. It's not afterwards. I'm not, like, you know, promoting it for a very long time. I'm not making videos well in advance afterwards.

But when I'm there, I'm fully on 1000%. And I think being... One of my favorite things to talk about is, like, being in the f- in the fire. How many times would be... how many times are you willing to be thrown into the fire, right? Damascus steel is worth so much because it's just folded over itself and thrown in the fire, and folded over and thrown in the fire, and then it has millions of layers.

It's beautiful. It has all these, like, really cool patterns and stuff, but the only way you do that is just by constantly going in. And so all those times where I did all the, the f- the, you know, 50 states 50 days, the 100 colleges, the penny-farthing bike, even though by worldly standards it might have been a, a failure, right?

'Cause there were no social media views, and that was the goal from it. It was just forming, forming me into the, the type of person that can go take on these things and just be [01:03:00] ready. In the moment- Mm-hmm ... I'm your guy. Like, you know, this is why... my buddy Joe, he called me up. He's like, "Hey, we should do this relay across the US, and, you know, I want you to document the whole thing on social media."

Oh

Ally Brettnacher: my gosh.

Wyatt Moss: And, like, you know, people reach out and want me to be part of the documentation because I've been thrown in the fire.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: But the shorts, so I, uh- I really have loved shorts for a long time. Back in 2020, like in my TikTok days when I first started posting videos, I was trying to get sponsored from this company called Chubbies and-

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, yeah

Wyatt Moss: they're really big now. Like, they're in REI and like all these stores- Yeah ... in the US. But when they started, they had th- this challenge, uh, just to become like one of their... It was called their stay influencer. Like, stay in because it's COVID and like, you know, what are you doing in your home? We're- Yeah

we're trying to sell our products because you know, we're- [01:04:00] we- we have a business to run. That whole thing.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And so anyways, like that- that's always been kind of a thread. It's like, all right, well, I just wanna have my own shorts. Oh, I wanna go sponsor people to do this thing, the seven continents, the seven wonders, whatever it is, the 50 states marathon challenge.

Let me go start an athletic shorts company. And so then I- I'm trying to do that. It's so hard to To start

Ally Brettnacher: in I can o- yeah, yeah. I can only imagine

Wyatt Moss: So ...

Ally Brettnacher: that all that goes into that. So tell people what they are, like what your vision is for what they are.

Wyatt Moss: The, the thing, there's so many athletic companies out there.

Everyone wants to start a clothing brand, so it's not really that. The thing that makes it unique is when you go run a marathon, they give you a medal, you hang it up on your wall, but most of that ribbon that's attached to the medal is kinda hidden. Or you throw it in a drawer and it never sees the light of day.

So I was like, "Well, what, what would be like a cool way to kinda showcase this achievement that you've taken on?" Especially now that marathons are becoming more popular, and I think that they will only get more popular.

Ally Brettnacher: Agreed. [01:05:00]

Wyatt Moss: Agreed, yeah. People continue doing them every single year. It's a great way to stay in shape and to have fun with your friends and everything like that.

Sense of accomplishment, travel, there's just so many things packed into that. Well, when you get all these medals and the ribbons, I thought it'd be cool to cut out a little, you know, four-inch piece that you can just sew into your shorts, and then now you've customized your shorts and you never forget that memory.

And then when you roll up to run club or if you're traveling or whatever it is and you're wearing these shorts, someone sees it, they're like, "No way, I also ran that marathon," or like, "I've been there," or, "I'm from Louisiana," or whatever it is. And it's these little ways to build connection. We need community.

You know, we're made for community, right? So I think this is a cool way to kind of tie in the athletic shorts, being stylish, your past achievements. Just a reminder, 'cause how often, Ally, how often do you forget that you've run 70- Often ... half marathons?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah.

Wyatt Moss: 70 full marathons. Like we, the things that we accomplish in the past, usually we're forward thinking.

We're just, it's like a, like [01:06:00] a train. We're just like continue going forward, never stop. But we gotta remember the things that have gotten us to where we are and all those experiences. And like, and also just a reminder to know like, you know, next time I show up to the, the start of a marathon, man, I've, I've got that full confidence because I've done this before, right?

And if it's a challenge that's not a marathon, but it's like similar difficulty, I'm that type of guy. I have the confidence because my mountain is, is big. I brought a, a ton of stones and boulders up that mountain every single day, and I can look back on that mountain of confidence and know that whatever it is, I can take it on.

Mm. Well, one of those things could be reminding yourself of the marathons you've run, and that's the idea be- behind the shorts. The tough part is that, you know, to be, to build a company, you have to actually do the work of building it in one place usually. That, that's what helps. I'm traveling around all the time, you know-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah

Wyatt Moss: editing for the videos. So I think the thing that will kind of change the trajectory there is either partnering with someone who's already doing it or finding someone who can partner with me to make the [01:07:00] idea a reality. Yeah. Just because I, I'm a promoter. I'm also creative. I can build a business, but like that's not what I'm driven to do.

That's not my-

Ally Brettnacher: Right ...

Wyatt Moss: you know, my core.

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I,

Wyatt Moss: I, whatever is already made, I'd much rather just bring that to people and show them like, "Hey, here's how this is actually gonna change your life."

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just got a, a T-shirt quilt made finally. I've had- Aw ... I mean, race, race shirts for, like, a million years.

I'm like, I need to find a company that does this and just do it, and so I did. Um, I m- I bet a company like that, you could just be like, "Hey, I wanna start this, like, line of shorts," or I don't know if they could just help with, like... You could even white label it and just have them do it, but it's all under you.

But that's so hard. Like, a lot of that stuff is just, there's a lot of pieces I think people don't understand- Yeah ... that go into that.

Wyatt Moss: Well, m- the, what I don't like about white labeling is, like, it, same... Back to the whole thing. Usually the, the most reward is not just accomplishing the thing, [01:08:00] but instead the process.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: You know, it's all of the, it's working out the details. It's, it's the labor of love, right? Mm-hmm. It's the writing letters. I saw, you know, in the form that you had asked for an address to send a letter.

Ally Brettnacher: Yes.

Wyatt Moss: Just a thank you letter. Even just, like, something as intentional as that. Like, that's, those are the things that really show you care, and it's like, it sets you apart.

That a lot of people just, they get done with the podcast, they move on to the next one. But it's the, it's the process of researching and then writing the letter and all those different things. In any category of life, I think whenever we're willing to do the really difficult work and, and really kinda dig into the difficult, uh, work, that's the, the, the most reward.

And so then all those things, like even though it's taking a lot longer and, like, I have to, I've gotta go interview all these people. I could see it as like, man, I have to go do this. Like, I, ah. Or I could see it as like, man, this is so awesome. I now have a reason to go connect with people who have been following along with these videos and try to- Right

build something for them- Mm-hmm ... that they would actually go wearing. Mm-hmm,

Ally Brettnacher: mm-hmm.

Wyatt Moss: I'm gonna go try to [01:09:00] do, you know, something for them, whatever that looks like. We actually just finished, or, or are just now finishing up the tech pack. Uh, Chloe is the designer of the, the women's shorts. And so we were on a call, uh, last night, or two nights ago, and just finishing up all the details of like, all right, well, you know, this looks great and, like, we can send this to the manufacturer.

So the, it's still in the process. It's definitely still happening, it's just, like- I'm stuck in all those details of, like, the work. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: It's like, okay. And then- It takes a long time, yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: but I think the benefit there is, like, when you look back on it, it's so much, so much more rewarding, and you can actually make something that changes people's lives instead of something that just accomplishes, you know, the bare minimum.

Yeah. Like, to be, like, a breakout company instead of just to be, like, every other Shopify brand, you know?

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Yeah, yeah. But- Um, one feature request eventually.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: I don't think I've ever seen athletic shorts that have belt loops. [01:10:00] Not that I have any belt buckles yet, but I was like, wouldn't that be cool if these ultra runners who have all these belt buckles could actually, like, wear them while they run?

Yeah. I don't know if they would, but I was like, that'd be hilarious. Or even- So, you know ...

Wyatt Moss: like, a built-in, uh, s- you know, like, they have, like, the whole spy belt where it's like a-

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: but even some type of partnership where it's like, hey, let's just build that into these shorts. Yeah. You know?

Like, let's just make a pair of shorts that has that, so that you, you know, you just tighten it. I don't know. Maybe there could be something there.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah, I just think it's... I thought that- that the picture of somebody wearing one of those huge-ass belt buckles made me laugh, just thinking about trying to run.

I don't know how heavy they are. I don't have any, but, um, do you have any?

Wyatt Moss: Belt buckles?

Ally Brettnacher: You've done- Ultra- Yeah, you've done, yeah, you've done a 60K at least, right?

Wyatt Moss: I did- I think

Ally Brettnacher: I saw- ...

Wyatt Moss: a 75-miler ...

Ally Brettnacher: 75 miles.

Wyatt Moss: And I think, I don't know if we got a belt buckle from that, though. But-

Ally Brettnacher: I feel, I feel like you should have.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: It's a long way.

Wyatt Moss: Well, it was loops. It was, like, a 24-hour ultra with loops.

Ally Brettnacher: Still. Okay, yeah. Wow.

Wyatt Moss: I do wanna [01:11:00] do, like, a, an ultra. I think my m- my reasoning for the, the 50 marathons for the second time, I was just, yet again, I was just trying to figure out... So, I mean, for everyone listening along, this year I'm doing the 50 marathons round two, and I think the goal this time From the videos that I was making at the start of the year, it was like, all right, I'm gonna go do it again, and hopefully by the end of this year I'll be able to sponsor someone to go do it next year.

So it's just like, uh, look, if I ask you to do it once or sponsor someone to do it once, I've already done it twice, so I know you can do it. Yeah. Like, I've already been there twice. Yeah. And also just, just to kind of remain in the whole world. But it's so tough to also be thinking about, like, all right, well, I'm gonna go start building a family and I wanna have a community- Yeah

while also traveling all the time and trying to start a business. Like, these things are not compatible. Right. So I

Ally Brettnacher: think- Right ...

Wyatt Moss: just across the board trying to get someone else to go do it, scaling back on the marathons myself, maybe doing once a month. And then the long-term goal, like the next god-sized dream outside of sponsoring an [01:12:00] athlete to go do the 50, would be for me to take on 200 and do every country in the world.

That's been a dream for such a long time. So yet again, really tough thing. Am I gonna do 50 a year for four years? Probably not. But-

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, man ...

Wyatt Moss: I think just to do once a month, like that would be amazing. And just do it-

Ally Brettnacher: Right ...

Wyatt Moss: kinda in perpetuity, and that's just who I-

Ally Brettnacher: Mm-hmm. Um, so is it always gonna be running related somehow at this point?

Is that what you see? Or are you-

Wyatt Moss: I don't know. I mean-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: I think i- if I had my, if I had my dream, usually my dream entails something that's much more difficult than a, you know, I can do on my own. I would have a podcast guest that I would film a podcast with, and we'd go do an adventure, like hike a mountain, and then there's a marathon that weekend, and the next week we're doing a Relay For America event, you know?

Like- Yeah ...

Ally Brettnacher: it- That'd be really fun ...

Wyatt Moss: it, like the full punch, where it's like, all right- Mm-hmm ... you know, during... 'Cause I don't, I don't... There's a lot of creators that like to, you know, do [01:13:00] their day-to-day content, this day in my life. I don't, I don't like that, 'cause now I'm kind of tied to the, like, I have to like put a camera in my friends' faces.

I don't like that. Right. But instead if I have these like punch moments where it's like, well, once a week, or, or sorry, once a month I have like this whole thing, or, you know, every summer we do the Relay For America and I can just show up for those moments, I think it allows me to have my life and then also show up better in those moments.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That makes sense. 'Cause I feel that, like as an aspiring creator you could say, it's like- Yeah ... oh, man, you, sometimes you feel like, oh, well, I need to post something today. What should I do? And it's just- Yeah ... kinda like, well, that's not how it should feel. You know? And- So ...

Wyatt Moss: for the creators who post every day, it, it is a strategy to do that.

It is also very taxing, and- It doesn't immediately lead to results. Right. So usually the ones where it works out, it's because they've been doing it for such a long time. It's a proven strategy. Do it. But at the [01:14:00] same time, know that it's gonna take everything, and then it becomes your life, and then now people know you for that, and then it- once you achieve, like, the full-time content creator status, well, then now you have to keep up that game.

Right. So whatever, you know, whatever you succeed at, that's probably what you're gonna have to continue doing. Make sure whatever y- you start doing, you'd wanna do it for the rest of your life. For marathons, like, I'd run a marathon a month for the rest of my life. I, I'm very confident in that. Yeah. My buddy Tyler and I, we, we absolutely love these marathon weekends.

It's the one time when we actually get to spend time together. That's fun. He's over building a business, selling shoes. Super successful, right? I'm over here running these marathons, just trying to figure it out, and, but the one time where we get to actually sit down and, like, have dinner the night before, go run a marathon, like, have fun, is on those weekends.

So-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: whatever you- Yeah, it's- ... succeed at, make sure it's something you wanna do. But yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's good advice for anybody listening. And I also feel like sometimes in these crazy weekends where it's like, for Monumental, our hometown marathon, for me it's a really busy [01:15:00] weekend. I'm doing- Yeah ... like, uh, live events, shakeouts, run- actually running the race.

I used to be on the board, so I would also volunteer. And so it was just like the actual race I would look forward to so much just to relax.

Wyatt Moss: Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: And then, and then people are like, "H- how do you find, like, running a race, uh, relaxing?" And you're like, "Well, because that's, like, the time then you get to just be-

Wyatt Moss: No, you're just present

Ally Brettnacher: and enjoy what you're doing," then yeah, yeah.

Wyatt Moss: It's, it's almost like meditation in the sense that you're fully present, 'cause you can't, you can't escape mile 18. Yeah. There's no tuning out.

Ally Brettnacher: Yep.

Wyatt Moss: I have to be right now. Like, the, I'm nowhere else. I'm right here. Yeah. That's one of my favorite things, uh, if someone's, like, really struggling during a race, I'll look over and I'm like, "We're right here, man.

This, we're right here.

Ally Brettnacher: This is where we are." Look at this. Yeah. It's

Wyatt Moss: like, "Yeah, you're right. We're, y- you know, this is right where we are."

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah. I've heard you say, too, that you don't listen to or you haven't listened to music in any of the races, which I think is pretty cool, too, 'cause I've just recently started not doing that.

Wyatt Moss: [01:16:00] It's, it's great 'cause- I think this, th- this goes back to the not betraying your conscience. It's that not, it's not necessarily that, but it's just that whole thread where I'm emptying my mind. Like, I'm, uh, I now can live my life without songs playing in my head and without the need for music on, like, a long drive.

And then I'm less chained to these things. I'm more detached and, like, free. And I feel like that's, like, what freedom is. Yeah. You know? It's just the ability just to breathe or just to think or to sit down, to actually do what I say I'm gonna do, to show up, to do the difficult work. All those things are slightly more difficult if you're reliant on music.

So- Yeah ... you know, professional athletes, pro a- Ironman athletes, like, they're not listening to music, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Right.

Wyatt Moss: And then as well, like, it puts a, a timeframe on each mile. And now you're like, "How'd I get through this mile? How'd I get through this mile?" Because, like, [01:17:00] subtly, it's like, you know, every four minutes you restart, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: When I'm doing a marathon, it's just one continuous soundtrack. It's just beautiful.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And it's the people that are running, and it's the people that are cheering on, and I'm fully present, and I can have a conversation with someone. And then, you know, I see all the people, the spectators multiple times throughout the course- Mm-hmm

cheering me on, usually 'cause of the costume, right? So,

Ally Brettnacher: like- Right.

Wyatt Moss: It's, but it's a- Yeah ... much better experience than, yet again, like, that whole idea of you can do the thing. You can run a marathon if you just tune out, pump yourself full of caffeine, and, like, just freaking hammer against the wall. But then- You know, you lose the whole experience of, like, being there the whole time, especially for something like New York or Marine Corps or Philly-

Ally Brettnacher: Right

Wyatt Moss: where there's so many people. Ah,

Ally Brettnacher: yes, yes.

Wyatt Moss: Just doing something like miles, that's... You know, the medal is one thing, but, like, actually experiencing it and, like, looking around, it's a miracle that all these people care, you know?

Ally Brettnacher: It, it really is, [01:18:00] yeah, when you think about it. I, um, also wanted to ask, this is a good time to ask you a question that my friend Hallie asked me, Hallie Patel.

I think you've met at some point. I can't even re- tell you where. Yes. Do you remember Hallie? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so she lives where I live, and so she's been a great friend of mine now, especially since she's, like, in the creator podcasting space. She's taught me so much. But she, she wanted to know about, well, the why, which I think we've covered somewhat in this, and then also the mental toughness.

Because obviously you are so full of joy, you're smiling, but I have a hard time believing that there's not those demons that come out when you're hurting that are like, "What are you doing? Why are you... You know, you can't finish, possibly." So, like, how have you, how have you built that mental toughness to, like, f- you know, keep that smile on your face?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah. I actually... It's funny. I'm wearing my L.A. Marathon shirt, and I've been- Oh,

Ally Brettnacher: that's right. That's where you met. Yeah, she was in L.A. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Yep. And, uh, well, I mean, maybe just the approach that I have is helped me to take on all these different circumstances. [01:19:00] Like, you know, for L.A. for example, a lot of people could see what happened for L.A.,

like, as like a, a rough thing. I, I- I forgot

Ally Brettnacher: about that ...

Wyatt Moss: I pull up to the... Uh, I say happened. It... I, I'm trying to frame it in a certain way. Okay. So I, I pull up. I see it as an exciting thing, is what I'm trying to say.

Ally Brettnacher: But- ... I

Wyatt Moss: pull up to the start line, and I was like, "Oh, I'll just sleep at the start line," 'cause, like, uh, my friend had given me the keys just to stay on her couch.

She was out of town. But I was like, "Well, there's gonna be so much traffic." I get there super early, and then it's super cold outside. So I'm literally just shivering at the start line for, like, four hours before the marathon. Most people would see that as, like, absolutely miserable, but I absolutely loved it.

It was like, man, this, this is, this is incredible. And I ended up running, like, a 3:40 or three- 28 or 3:30 or something like that. It was like my fastest time of the year, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Wow.

Wyatt Moss: Um, so anyways- ... I think the, the mentality that I've built up for any of these things goes back to the makes for a better story idea of no matter what happens to me, man, this is just a blessing.

This is [01:20:00] great. Like- ... who can pay for this, you know? You- Oh my gosh ... no one is offering this experience. You just have to be willing to find it yourself and- That's

Ally Brettnacher: so good ...

Wyatt Moss: and then once I go through all these different scenarios, now I show up to any start line, and it's like, if I get to mile 18 and I'm, yeah, there's pain, but it's like so be it.

Like, next week there's two more marathons. After that, I've got five more doubles this year, right? And then I've got a, a total of, I think, what? 18 marathons left for the year, and then I'm gonna do 200 for the countries the rest of my life. Like, this is not it. This is not a finish line. That's the other benefit of that devotion I was telling you.

Mm-hmm. I think it all goes back to like my why is just, "All right, God, what can you do through me?" You know, how can I just be of service to, to your will, whatever y- you're trying to do in the world? What circumstances could you put me into that, you know, I, I would have no idea what to do, but you could just work through me in that circumstance?

Mm-hmm. Um, even down to like my Uber [01:21:00] driver who doesn't speak English very well and lives in New York City, and he's trying to find a church, and he's like, "Yeah, but none of these churches speak in Bangladesh," or Bangla. I think that's the, the, the language. That's like

Ally Brettnacher: a... Yeah. It's

Wyatt Moss: like, "Well, I just looked this up.

Bangla Christian Church, and there's one right here," and I just show it to him. And like, you- the- w- God can work through this in like the, the smallest of ways- Yeah ... if we're just- It's true ... present. But if you have music playing or if you're, you know, too focused on these things, you're anxious or whatever it is, then you're not- Yeah

present. You're like removed from it. So just the more that you can just get to this one moment, the marathon really does that. It really helps. Running really does that. Meditation, prayer, any of these things, uh, the more that God can then work through you in the day-to-day life because now it's not just that prayer is this set apart time once a day.

But instead it's like, man, can I just live my whole life as just like a sacrifice up to God of He could work through me at any moment? And then n- now it's just a, a complete joy. Like, that's why I'm smiling at all these things. It's like- Yeah ... all right, God, how [01:22:00] are you gonna work through me today? Like what-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah

Wyatt Moss: 'cause I have no idea, but I don't... What I do know is that God cares for me. He knows me by name, and then He knows the plan that he has for me, plans to prosper me. This is a, a, a verse in, I think, Jeremiah or something like that. Yeah, Jeremiah 29:11. So it says, "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

So man- Mm ... just how powerful is that idea? Yeah. If I started living my, my life as if God was real, and then all these ideas were real, and then I believed it to be true, and then they were actually real, and the effect that that would have on me, and then, you know, how God could end up using me for things I never could have done on my own.

Like, if we all just decided to start living in that way, man, that would just change everything.

Ally Brettnacher: It would be-

Wyatt Moss: And that's my why ...

Ally Brettnacher: the world would be a better place, yeah. Okay.

Wyatt Moss: So then, yeah, I think that's my why. That's how I have the strength. And, and even this [01:23:00] weekend, like mile 18, m- my 99th marathon, and I posted this video.

I'm like, man, you, if you think that it's not difficult for me at this point, it is.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: The... One of my favorite things to say, it doesn't get easier. You just get better.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: You're more equipped to take on the challenges that life presents you. So I think, and then that's a promise of the Christian lifestyle.

Like, Jesus does not say it's gonna be all your hopes and dreams will be granted and like, you know, sunshine and rainbows. No, he says, "It is hard to follow Christ." He says, "Pick up your cross and follow me." Basically ta- you know, sacrifice yourself to the world for the good of others and follow me, right?

Like, and maybe not sacrifice to the world, but sacrifice to God your life for the benefit of, of others, for the world. So, you know, a- as much as we can do that, sacrifice ourselves for others, that's how we're able to, to fully live out our, our, our ultimate purpose, right? [01:24:00] If we can show up for others on their birthday, in conversation, in, you know, their day-to-day life and just surprise them or just support them in some capacity, show them that we love them.

Like, just showing up, even just being there, being present. My buddy just had his wedding. He's like, "Dude, it's so busy in this season of life, and the fact that you decided to show up, even though every single weekend you got all these marathons and all this stuff, it just means the world that you're here."

And so I think that- Yeah ... like as much as we can just sacrifice our plans and show up for the good of others, it just builds these lasting relationships and gives us the fullest life, and then that's, that's what excites me. That's what fires me up is-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ... it's

Wyatt Moss: just like knowing God can do things through me that I never could have done on my own.

The 50 states was not Wyatt Moss, right? That was God through me. And it- Yeah ... and that's obviously strength from God.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, this, it's so funny because this conversation happens at a time where I need it, right? Yeah. I literally have a Post-it Note where I'm, like, trying to [01:25:00] put my dreams, like, in writing, and the first one is, like, make others people's dreams a reality.

Set aside money to give charity runners throughout the year. Like, one of my dreams is similar in a way that I, I, am n- am n- I'm lucky. I'm very blessed. Um- Yeah ... and so it's like how can I give ... How can I pass that along? I don't need to go buy more stuff. Um, I would love to just be able to, yeah, let, allow other people to do things like run marathons that, like, I love so much because fundraising is so hard- Yeah

um, for these people that are raising, like, tens of thousands of dollars sometimes, like for somewhere like Boston.

Wyatt Moss: Mm-hmm.

Ally Brettnacher: So, yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And, in the process of pursuing fundraising, it changes you 'cause you know you have to, you've gotta reach out to these people, and you gotta stay in contact, and- Mm-hmm ... you gotta constantly put yourself out there, and you gotta, you gotta be in a humble position of literally like-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah

Wyatt Moss: "Hey, guys." Like, "I'm trying to raise this money."

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And it's not like a, it's not a situation where you're like, you know, "I [01:26:00] need this or else I'm gonna starve," but it is a position of just humility. And I think being in that whole process, like, yeah, I, I love that you have that, a heart for people that are, uh, also trying to pursue the same things, fundraising, and, a- a- any way I can support in that would be awesome 'cause I-

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, that's very

Wyatt Moss: kind

I feel the same way. I always try to donate, like, $26.20. That's my thing.

Ally Brettnacher: That's cute. Yeah, I try to donate to any fundraiser I see. Yeah. But sometimes that gets a little out of hand given where in the world I'm in 'cause, you know, every, it seems like everybody's fundraising. Yes. But I do always try to support, especially people, you know, people who've been on my podcast or friends of mine and, and things like that.

So yeah, it just feels cheesy to say sometimes. I don't know why I feel weird about it, but it's like, you know, I really wanna do this to help other people.

Wyatt Moss: It's, it's fun to, like, to, to achieve it yourself. Only impacts one person, you. But then to help someone else achieve it, both of you experience that joy, 'cause now you get to live vicariously through them.

[01:27:00] Yeah. And so then just the impact that, th- this is the whole thing of, like, leadership, where true leaders make leaders. Right. And, like, the compounding effect. Mm-hmm. And man, if we were just able to sacrifice that personal benefit just for the good of others, we could just see it, it, that actually is the ultimate benefit, is just seeing them impact everyone around them, and it's like just knowing, "Okay, man, I, I helped play a, a role in that."

Not the pride of, like, "I made them."

Ally Brettnacher: Right. That's

Wyatt Moss: not it at all. But instead, just the joy of like, "Man, I got to play a small role in just helping-" Mm ... them succeed, and, and, and now I get to be part of their story, just enjoying whatever they get to enjoy.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I, I, while I'm thinking about it too, and this is not to, like, make me sound like a better human, but I am really passionate about Ainsley's Angels and running with them.

Yeah. Or like, I've never run with Achilles, but have you ever done a marathon like that?

Wyatt Moss: Achilles International, and, uh, t-t-t- AFSP, [01:28:00] American Foundation for Suicide Prevention

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: for Grandma's Marathon. And then I've, I've talked with a couple more, but yeah, I think I gotta figure out how that plays into me wearing the costume and making the videos.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And if there's a way for me to... Also, if my heart's even there, 'cause I, I'm all for all of these different charities. At s- at the same time, where my heart really is, even working with Relay for America and trying to build that up with my buddy Joe, w- we had to have the conversation of, like, "I love the work that I'm doing here, but is my heart here?"

I love Whisper. Like, I've been working with Whisper for such a long time, like, that's really where my heart is. And so then I think if I were to do any type of fundraising or, uh, I guess pushing an athlete or, or partnering in some capacity, it'd probably be somewhere in that world.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So I don't know.

These are-

Ally Brettnacher: That [01:29:00] makes sense. Yeah ... all

Wyatt Moss: great things I gotta still think through.

Ally Brettnacher: I know. Well, it's like, it, this conversation is really ti- timely, and it gets me fired up thinking about how I can dream big because- Yeah ... I don't know. You get caught up in the day-to-day, especially in the world of social media, and you're like, okay, you know, you think, uh...

You start to val- you start to put... Or I shouldn't say you do necessarily, but you feel like others have put your value is only related to how many people follow you or how much- Yeah ... and these things. And then you focus on these things, and you're like, well, that feels... Like, I don't want to be dragged into that and focus on that, but I also want to work with companies and so that I can make a bigger impact.

So it's like this weird... Do you feel that, too, where it's like this catch-22 almost where-

Wyatt Moss: Y- yes, in that it's, it's we live in an imperfect world, and we have to work to live, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And so then that is a consideration. But- No, at the same time, just [01:30:00] because whenever I get in that pattern of thinking, usually it's downward spiraling or it, it actually stops me from, from posting videos.

So I'm trying to get more in the mentality of just release from the result, and I actually, w- you know, we'll see how I'm able to do with this, but I- there's, of the 100 marathons, or the, I guess the 99 that I've run, I've only ever posted around 45 to 50 of them. So over half of the marathons that I've run have never been posted, or at least maybe a clip has been posted from them, but not, like, a full recap.

I would say I'm very confident 90% of the videos that I've filmed have never been posted. Because generally, when I film a n- you know, 20 minutes of content for a marathon, I post a one-minute video. Right. So just from that, from the videos I've posted, already 95% is out the door, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So anyways, there's a lot of...

You know, part of that is just what it takes [01:31:00] to succeed, is just you need a, a large quantity narrowed down to a really quality piece, right, of content. Mm-hmm. But then the other side of that is just I've let life get in the way, or I haven't taken on the responsibility of editing these videos consistently.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So I thought, what better time to just start doing a recap than for marathon number 100? So I've started going back and editing old videos. Good

Ally Brettnacher: for you. Wow. And

Wyatt Moss: actually doing this thing of like, "All right, I'm gonna go back and, like, post all these things." Now, the tough part here, this is the really tough part, is that, uh, there's a quote, um, what you most want is where you least wanna find it.

So, like-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah,

Wyatt Moss: yeah ... the, the thing between me and running a marathon in every country, or the thing between me and working consistently with companies, whatever it is, is probably gonna be denying myself of the, uh, the views and the, and the like count and all that type of stuff over the next, you know, 84 days of posting, 'cause there's 16 double marathons during [01:32:00] those 100.

Um- Yeah ... where if I posted every day for 84 days, I just have to really, you know, not let myself be focused on the views. All this is to say Do I struggle with that? 100%. And am I about to go back into the fire again? Yes. And am I gonna complete it? Who knows? But at least I'm gonna try to just go back and recap all 100 of the marathons, and then whatever benefit comes after that will be only because I j- you know, I put down that, that voice inside of like, "Oh, but w- you know, what's the world gonna think?

Like, are people gonna care that I have 100 likes on the video?"

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: A friend told me something great once. He was like, "The great thing about social media is that bad videos don't get seen by a lot of people."

Ally Brettnacher: Somebody said that to me once, and I was like, "Yeah, nobody sees my bad videos." Yeah,

Wyatt Moss: exactly.

Ally Brettnacher: That's good news. Yeah. So,

Wyatt Moss: and then the encouragement there is, like, okay, well, if I really care about this thing so [01:33:00] much that I'm willing to let it affect my mood if it doesn't perform, then are my priorities right? Like, if I- Yeah ... look back on it, it's so tough, 'cause, like, this is a way of, of living. And, like, I also wanna, you know, make money from this and-

Ally Brettnacher: Yes.

Yeah ... you know, have

Wyatt Moss: a, a bigger impact. But at the same time, you know, we have to be able to steward what we currently have, and I think God's code is kind of built into everything. And so then, man, if I can't... If I'm not even- I'm, I'm already overextending myself 'cause I'm, uh, you know, a lot of people were wondering this year, like how am I paying for the marathons, especially 'cause I'm not really doing as many sponsored videos compared to last year.

Right. I'm, I'm back in debt. So if I'm overextending myself on like the credit side of things, then have I really even earned the ability to do these marathons in the first place? Yeah. And then if I'm not even editing the videos, then what's the deal even to do it in the

Ally Brettnacher: first place? Oh, no. Yeah. You know, like- Yeah, yeah

Wyatt Moss: like why would God give me more if I'm not even able to [01:34:00] steward what I've currently, uh, false- not falsely, but like, um, gotten on credit. You know what I mean?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So if I'm borrowing from the future and I'm not even following through in the present, God can't, you know, give me any- anything more. So I, I first gotta take care of that.

And that's why I'm like, all right, you know what? I'm gonna detach from, from the, uh, results and just post all the videos, and it'll be great. We get to relive through this whole thing. Yeah. And I don't have to worry about ev- each individual video, but instead I get to just- Yeah ... show people more of the experience of like a typical marathon.

And then whatever comes at the end of that, either I just have the confidence that, hey, I've done the work and I've posted the videos, and I've lost 1,000 followers, so be it. Yeah. Or, which is probably more likely, I've done the work and people have recognized, and so many people had no idea that I had run 100, and they really want me to come out there and run this marathon- Mm-hmm

or this sponsor reaches out 'cause she's like, "Oh [01:35:00] man, I had seen all of your videos, you know, in this area of the country, and we w- we actually want you to come run our marathon next year." Like-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: that's probably gonna be the result.

Ally Brettnacher: I think so. Well, people love their state, their home, right? Yeah,

Wyatt Moss: nothing-

Ally Brettnacher: And so I remember after Indy, I don't think you post- I don't think you posted a video, and I was like kinda like-

Wyatt Moss: I know.

Ally Brettnacher: where's my, where's my city, Wyatt? It's, it- But I don't mean that to say out- sound bad, where it's like- No, no, no ... you know. But it's like people will care is what my bottom line is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

Wyatt Moss: y- Yeah. I mean, you've just, you've just proved the point where- Yeah ... I think I posted like a post-race recap where it was like really quick one-minute video after Indy, but I never posted like a full, you know, edited thing.

So yeah, these videos take so long

Ally Brettnacher: to actually- That's the thing people don't realize. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Well, but that's where I also, I kinda have to give that up in, like here. Basically, I can, if I want it to be perfect- It'll never be, right? Or if I just do the whole 80% [01:36:00] version of it, eventually I'll have someone, you know, a company will reach out, I'll be able to pay an editor, the video will go out consistently, and I'll have a whole process going.

Ally Brettnacher: Right.

Wyatt Moss: Right. And I think if you, if you're so focused... Like, if I'm so focused on, this is for me- Yeah ... I'm talking to me more than anyone else. If I'm so focused on what is the result of this particular video and not just releasing it and saying, "All right, I know that this is just what I'm responsible for in general-" Mm-hmm

um, then I won't be able to achieve the good that comes after this. Instead, if I release from these current ones, and I'm not just so focused on, like, making the perfect video every single time, but instead I'm just, you know, on some of them they're perfect, on other ones it's just, it's really good, eventually I'll have that ability to then be able to make each video better and better and better.

So I think every person gets to this breakthrough moment in any category of life where they want it to be a certain way, you know, they curse the world for being the way that it is. And then [01:37:00] instead what we should be doing is take responsibility and be humble, and not be so prideful about the results.

But instead just, just release it and have open arms of like, "All right, God, I'm just gonna do the best that I can with what I, the time that I have available."

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And it-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: so, yeah, I... It's so tough because, like, I've said things on podcasts before where, like, I wasn't able to follow through with it, you know?

Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: That's hard. But that's the

Wyatt Moss: thing. We have to put ourself out there and at least just try and just keep... Yep. And I think that's what, like, I think that's why my videos hopefully will continue to resonate, is that people see, like, man, this is not just something that's already written. This guy's actually trying, you know?

Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. And,

Wyatt Moss: and I can see it.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Speaking of humility Why don't you let us help you? Why don't you have a GoFundMe?

Wyatt Moss: Well, it's so tough. I mean, we did, we, we raised a lot of money for the Relay for America.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay, for Relay for America.

Wyatt Moss: So that, the Relay for America, like [01:38:00] Joe and I were gonna s- you know, cover the costs.

He was probably gonna have to... I'm, w- we were each gonna take 50/50 of the costs, but upfront he definitely, he's 30 years old, he's more established. Yeah. He probably was gonna be covering a little bit more of the expenses, and I was just gonna try to figure out a way to pay for it down the road, whatever it is, like, but we just had full confidence we'd be able to pay for it.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And then, uh, we ended up raising $120,000 to pay for the series. The documentary alone is gonna cost us around like 30, uh, from the, you know, the videographers, the editing, everything like that. And then the series itself, you know, that, that was another like 50. So j- just to pull it off was like $80,000 this summer for 20-day nonstop crew to go across the country.

It was incredible. 85 million views, but as well it cost a ton of money. Yeah. And then praise God that all these people, there were 1,471 donors that pulled together to donate, and then as well, some donors that were behind the scenes that didn't go through the GoFundMe that [01:39:00] also just wanted the organization to succeed.

So, and same thing with the relay that we just did for 9/11 memorial. So people are, like I am opening it up in that capacity to like-

Ally Brettnacher: But not for y- but I'm like, if people listen to this- Yeah ... and they hear that you are in debt, and you look at you and you're just like- Yeah ... but like you should, you should be crushing it.

I,

Wyatt Moss: I appreciate

Ally Brettnacher: that's- I want you to be crushing it financially where you don't have to worry about that.

Wyatt Moss: I think the reason why I, I don't wanna take any type of GoFundMe is because the- The underlying problem is that I, I haven't built a business out of this yet. So it may be a, a Band-Aid for a bullet wound, where I kind of need this pain to kind of be like, all right, Wyatt, like, you know, either go find a manager to go- Yeah,

Ally Brettnacher: that's true

Wyatt Moss: I've worked with, you know- Okay ... I, I had a manager for a while. He was awesome. The, part of it was just me trying to work through, you know, these videos of like, I have such a [01:40:00] high-quality bar. Uh, you know, this has now turned into like me, a therapy session where I'm turning out like-

Ally Brettnacher: Wait, this isn't, this isn't therapy?

And all like, yeah. I'm so confused.

Wyatt Moss: Where am I? But, but nevertheless, like for me to go run a marathon in every country or to sponsor an athlete to go do any of these things, I can't just always be raising money through GoFundMe. I have to eventually either find someone to build a business or do it myself.

Yeah. So I really do think that like, yet again, I'm just in the thick of it, where it's, it's forcing me to, to, to be better with communications with sponsors- Mm-hmm ... or to do outreach and to, like I have to actually do the, the, the work upfront and to show people like, "Hey, hey, I want to go do this. I'm doing this," and, "Hey, look what I just did."

And like building relationships. All these things are, are really good things to do A GoFundMe may get me through this year, but it definitely wouldn't sustain a family. And so-

Ally Brettnacher: I see, I see what you're saying ...

Wyatt Moss: you see what I mean? So, like-

Ally Brettnacher: Yep, yep ...

Wyatt Moss: I, I don't [01:41:00] think, you know... I, I never say these things as, like, a pity me, you know, I, I need to go pay off this debt.

But it's more just letting people know, like, "Hey, I'm actively thinking about this. This is a problem, and here's what I'm trying to do about it." Yeah. So people can see, like, look, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. And like- Right,

Ally Brettnacher: it's not easy.

Wyatt Moss: I'm taking a risk on this. Yeah, yeah. But it's so rewarding.

What I do know is that it's... I'm able to take this risk 'cause I'm living at home right now, so I don't have any monthly rent to pay, which is just such a blessing. Yes. I'm so thankful for this time that I get to spend with my parents, but also, um, for the ability that my mom was letting me do that in the first place.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: On top of that, I know that... I'm looking over at the, the medals I have over here on the table, and I know that when I go do a TED Talk one day and talk about running 100 marathons at 24 years old, or doing the 50 States Marathons twice, or, you know, seven continents in seven days, or the, you know, starting all the countries, I'll be able to get speaking engagements to go speak to businesses or whatever it [01:42:00] looks like.

And, and that- Yeah ... will pay for, for my life. If I, if I go write a book one day- Yeah ... like, so-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: I know that right now, I just have to go use this time, 'cause I, I won't be able to live at home the rest of my life. Like- ... I gotta use this time to go out there and, and do the thing. And I know that it will pay for itself over time, and I'll, I'll be able to build a business and do these different things.

And as well, like, I don't really think it'd be a difficult thing to work with sponsors. I just think I haven't done the work, and I just need to go email these, these companies, so.

Ally Brettnacher: Right. Yeah. No, I... It makes me respect you even more, Wyatt- I- ... if that's even possible. Gosh. I could talk to you for... I've already taken two hours of your time.

Um, I, I guess if I had to pick one story that I wanna hear about from you before we go to the end of the podcast- Yeah ... oh, it's so t- tricky. But I, I remember seeing pictures of you running the New York City Marathon with Alexi Pappas.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Like, I saw that, and I was like, what was that experience like? So- [01:43:00]

Wyatt Moss: Oh, it's

Ally Brettnacher: incredible

if I had to pick a story, I wanna hear about h- how did that come together, and then what was it like?

Wyatt Moss: So that story actually starts at the beginning of the year. I had made the schedule, New York City, largest marathon in the world, put it on the calendar. And- I didn't have a bib. I d- I was new to the whole marathon world, kinda naive.

So I was like, "All right, well, I'll just get a bib. Like, it's not that difficult, right?"

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And I had reached out to Marathon Photo, and then I was just trying to figure out a way to run New York City. I was gonna run Chicago... Or sorry, no, I was gonna run New York with them, and we had worked something out in about March of that year.

Um, Brad, the CEO, he was really impressed with what I was doing, loved the story, wanted to support me. They had a bib, and he was gonna let me run New York City for Marathon Photo. But I didn't sign up using the ap- appropriate registration that they had sent, and months go by, and then now it's, like, a week out, and that was the whole thing where, like, I had just...

The videos had just started doing well, but then I [01:44:00] was like, "Oh, no, I'm not gonna make it to New York City," uh, 'cause I didn't use the right thing even though I had a bib, all this type of stuff.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And so then anyways, that's where I put out this video. Mastercard comments on it. I had no idea that, that this whole thing existed where you get to do the priceless start.

You're one of the first- Ooh ... 35 people who run the marathon on marathon day. Like, you're, you're before the elite athletes, before way- So

Ally Brettnacher: cool ...

Wyatt Moss: you're the first one to the start. So cool. Well, they had reached out, and they're like, "Hey, we got you covered." And it was such a cool thing. I mean, for them, like, y- here's this young kid who's, like, really in need of something.

They're able to come in at the right moment, like, hero moment for them, really great moment. Yeah,

Ally Brettnacher: yeah. And then

Wyatt Moss: for me, just such a blessing. Um, I show up, and I'm wearing my dad's wedding tux. It was really cool, um-

Ally Brettnacher: That was your dad's wedding tux? Yeah. Stop it. Okay.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah. And, um, so then- I go to the expo. Now, I had a marathon on Saturday in Maryland.

Of course. And then this was Friday, so I go to the [01:45:00] expo, and I'm passing out Ketone-IQ 'cause, you know, we had- we're trying to work out some type of sponsorship, and just really in the thick of it, really in the grind at that moment in time. And then Alexi, um, I- I'm new to the whole running world. So she's this really iconic runner, podcaster, written a book, all these different things, Olympic marathoner, or a Olympic, you know, 10K or- Y-

Ally Brettnacher: you know, I am- But- I'm not new to the running world, but I'm new to the pro world.

I don't know as much as I probably should. Well, she's just amazing all around. Yeah, she's just amazing. Yes.

Wyatt Moss: But I hadn't, I hadn't, uh, heard of her yet or, or seen her content because I was just so focused on, like, getting the marathons done. Yeah. I didn't know who anyone was in the marathon world.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So when she kinda gave me the bib the day of, I was like, "Hey."

And I was meeting her for the first time. Oh my gosh. And I was just, like, so, just thrown for a loop. When I finally realized, I was like, "Oh, this is Alexi Pappas." Like, oh my gosh. Like, and everything kinda clicked. That was crazy. And then actually running with her on race day, like, [01:46:00] I posted on my story.

Everyone's like, "Dude, no way." Like, "That must have been insane." She's just so nice and incredible and, like, uh... Yeah, we show up to the start line, and then I had run the day before. I had driven through the night to get back up to New York, slept on my buddy's couch. My body was just in a wreck. Uh, you know, we were running pretty slow.

I told her, I was like, "Look, no promises on this marathon." She's like, "We can go your time, whatever pace you wanna go." And truly, at, like, mile 18, my legs were just so locked up, my IT bands, that I, I may even have a video of this, but she's literally putting her elbow into my IT band to kinda release my IT band, and I'm just sitting there on the side of the-

Ally Brettnacher: No.

Wyatt Moss: street. Yeah. And that was the marathon. Like, you know- amazing. I get to see the pro runners run past me. Oh. And, and literally, basically like 30,000, 40,000 runners ran past me because I was just running slow that day, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, it's so cool though.

Wyatt Moss: But, uh, at the same time, one of the most [01:47:00] painful marathons I ran the entire year.

In the videos I'm smiling, I'm

Ally Brettnacher: having fun. Looking good. Yeah, but like- She's all sparkly. Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: but truly it was so tough.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. So- Wow ...

Wyatt Moss: yeah, I think... But, you know, you, you get more of, of what you highlight, right? And so, like, I'm just showing people, hey, like, in the midst of any of this, I'm just gonna look for the joy, I'm gonna look for the, the, the goodness.

I do wanna put out a video though, like, kinda showing people all the pain, 'cause there's so much pain.

Ally Brettnacher: That's... That would be a good series. Oh my goodness. Like, "Here are videos of me not smiling." Yeah. They do exist.

Wyatt Moss: Well, no, even... That's the thing, even

Ally Brettnacher: when- Or you're probably smiling. Oh my gosh. Exactly. But it hurts.

It's like, you can tell I'm like, "Oh my gosh." You're smiling

and there's just, like, tears streaming down your face, and you're like, "This is so fun. I love it." Loving it all. Sometimes I do that when I'm running and it hurts, and I'm, and I realize I'm not smiling. I, like, just try to make myself smile just to... 'Cause it does make a difference. It does. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: It's the same thing with, like, if you start slowing down, it's like, all right, I need to start speeding up.

Even just a [01:48:00] little bit. Your body reacts to how you decide to, to react, right? So then, like-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: if your mind is still in it and you tell your body, like, "All right, we're gonna smile. We're gonna start running faster," then the body is like, "Okay, well, I guess this is what we're gonna, gotta go do."

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's good.

And then you- I am gonna use that too. Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Um.

Wyatt Moss: But this has been, this has been such a

Ally Brettnacher: blast. This was so fun. Thank you so much for doing this. I re- Yeah ... I really, I knew I would enjoy it. Um, so I'm gonna ask you my end of the podcast questions. There are two.

Wyatt Moss: Cool.

Ally Brettnacher: And the first one, w- which we've kind of...

I mean, we've danced around both of these, but, um, your favorite running song, which I know you don't listen while you run, but if you had, like, a walk-up song, and then, um, a mantra. Oh. Do you have, like, one m- or a couple mantras that you use?

Wyatt Moss: So the one that makes me tear up is Running on Empty. Such a great song.

And it's nothing like- My dad loves that

Ally Brettnacher: song ...

Wyatt Moss: that's like the, uh, the Forrest Gump song.

Ally Brettnacher: So

Wyatt Moss: good. In, and so then it- I...

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: it fits really well for the 50 marathons. And anyways, [01:49:00] like, I'll... I wanna do kind of like a r- a recap to that song for, like, the end of this next 50 states-

Ally Brettnacher: That'd be cool ... in, in November.

Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: And then mantra I mean, I wish I had these written down. I, I have so many things that I just say to people on the course, and like, I have one on the wall right here. It says, uh, it's one that my mom and I say with each other, "If we're not doing it, nobody is." It's like if we're not setting the example, then nobody is.

Like, if we're high-quality people, and we're striving, and we're not the ones doing whatever it is- Yeah ... nobody out there's gonna do it. Um, so that's one. Um, the greatest day ever, like, you know, today's the greatest day ever, just the mentality of I woke up today, God has blessed me with another day. I'll, I'll be rejoice and be glad in it.

That's a Bible verse. Then any type of Bible verse, there's one Psalm 18:29 is what I currently have. Uh, with my God, I can scale a wall. Just the whole idea of [01:50:00] like, there's nothing that's gonna get in the way of me pursuing God's will for my life. He can do things abundantly more through me. Any type of Bible verse, there's...

The one I had for this whole year, uh, which goes along with this theme of sharing my faith is, oh my goodness, um, of course I'm gonna forget it, like right in the moment.

Ally Brettnacher: Of

Wyatt Moss: course. Suck it Martians. It's Philippians 1:20, "I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now, as always, Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death.

For to live is Christ and to die is gain." And that's a cool thing to say. Like, you know, I'm gonna sacrifice everything for Christ to be exalted through me. Um, so then yeah, I think in all things, like the best mantras are probably gonna be the ones that have real power, which is like anything that's biblical.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Just the realization God God loves me so much, and if [01:51:00] I just allow him to work through my life, then it, it'll, it will be the joy. Like, it will be the greatest thing I could ever do. It won't be the most glorious, it won't be the easiest path, it won't be the most, uh, you know, numbers on a screen or, like, amount of money or any of these things.

And I have to... It's this constant battle, right? 'Cause it's like a, the world that I'm living in versus, like, letting God live through me.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: But I think as long as you're striving, there's a verse about how, uh, like someone who's evil will fall and never get up, but the righteous man falls seven times and gets up again.

So it's like y- as long as you're striving, right?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Abiding in Christ and striving for more, for, for him to work through you, whatever it is, then you're doing all right.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, good. Okay, and then second one is next finish line or milestone, which clearly yours are, like, one and [01:52:00] the same. Yeah. So what's your 100th marathon?

Wyatt Moss: Jackson Hole Marathon is-

Ally Brettnacher: Ooh ...

Wyatt Moss: on Saturday. In about four days, and then, yeah, it's crazy. I mean-

Ally Brettnacher: Jackson Hole. So are you g- are you going back to different races in the States, or are you doing a true repeat?

Wyatt Moss: Well, just whatever calendar worked out

Ally Brettnacher: over the summer. Okay. So some are different?

Wyatt Moss: I was supposed to...

There were a lot of races that I was supposed to do that I had to not do because of the Relay for America. Mm. I'm gr- you know, super glad that we decided, uh, Joe and I decided to do the relay, and then I was able to find other weekends to do all those other ones. Wow. It has made the rest of this year so much more difficult.

Which is fine. Is what it is. Like, at least it's happening. Yeah. You know? But yeah, Jackson, it originally was supposed to be Salt Lake City, Utah. I'm kinda glad that it's Jackson because it's beautiful there, and- Oh,

Ally Brettnacher: gosh ...

Wyatt Moss: you know, for the rest of time- Yeah ... I can say, like, "Oh yeah, Jackson was where I had my 100th."

I'm like, it just, maybe I go back there and visit or, like, whatever it is.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: That, you know, that's, it's one of the most [01:53:00] beautiful places in the country, so.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: So cool.

Wyatt Moss: I'm excited.

Ally Brettnacher: And how are you gonna celebrate that? Huge milestone ... I hop up, I eat

Wyatt Moss: and go-

Ally Brettnacher: No, you're like, "I just cruise it on through it."

Wyatt Moss: Well, no, no, I've got a marathon the very next morning.

Ally Brettnacher: The next morning. God, poor dude.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, so-

Ally Brettnacher: What's the one the next morning?

Wyatt Moss: It's the one for Illinois, very small race.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

Wyatt Moss: Because I didn't- Okay ... get in for Chicago. I just didn't ask anyone, didn't try.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Wyatt Moss: So-

Ally Brettnacher: Right ...

Wyatt Moss: didn't fundraise. So-

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: there's a lot going on.

Is what it is. But I'll get to- Yeah ... meet people out at Chicago this year, and then, yeah, the reward- Oh,

Ally Brettnacher: that's so fun ... I've

Wyatt Moss: run 100 marathons, get right back to it. Double marathon weekend.

Ally Brettnacher: Ah. All right. This has been so amazing. I cannot wait to have you in Indy.

Wyatt Moss: Yes.

Ally Brettnacher: I, I got a hotel for you. I don't know if you- Oh, okay

saw my DM. It's the best hotel in town. It's a Michelin Key Hotel. Awesome. Best carpet. It might be maroon. Very fancy. Um, and then we're having a, a shakeout run on Friday, depending on when you are planning to come in town, and then we're having a celebration event on [01:54:00] Saturday after the race. But do you have a Sunday race that weekend?

Wyatt Moss: Madison. Okay. So I will have to fly from Indy to, uh, Chicago- Madison ... or m- Indy-

Ally Brettnacher: Okay ...

Wyatt Moss: something like that. So.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Yeah. So you'll leave- It's harder ... like after you run?

Wyatt Moss: Yeah, probably around- Okay ... usually around, like 12:30 or 12 I leave to the airport. Okay.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay. So you gotta, like, make sure you run fast enough, I guess, to get to the airport.

That's

Wyatt Moss: the crazy part about all these. This weekend, uh, both days, Saturday and Sunday, I had a flight at 1:00 PM. So but luckily the races- Oh ... start a little bit earlier in North Dakota, South Dakota, but-

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, that's good. Yeah ...

Wyatt Moss: but I made it.

Ally Brettnacher: Tricky. And there's nobody there. I mean, I know there are, but, like, it's not as busy as, you know- Yeah

a huge, like Atlanta, my goodness. Exactly. So okay. Well, this episode is gonna come out, not this Friday, but the following Friday, whatever the date is, and I forget, but-

Wyatt Moss: Awesome ...

Ally Brettnacher: I'll send you all the stuff when it comes out. Um, I don't know how you do on Instagram, how you operate in terms of collaborations.

Okay. So there's [01:55:00] no pressure there if you don't do that. Um, but I will have a post invite you to collaborate, and then I have, um, all the links to all- where it will be. So-

Wyatt Moss: Yeah ...

Ally Brettnacher: I can't wait for people to get to know you even better, 'cause I feel like you've talked a lot about a lot of the amazing things you've done, but I feel like I know you a lot better as a human after this conversation.

So thank you.

Wyatt Moss: Thank you so much for everything you do and for this conversation. It's been great. And as well for Indy, for the hotel, that really means the world. I'm excited to run with you in Indy. And yeah, I definitely think we should collaborate on a video. That'd be fun.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, that would be so fun. I would love it.

That'll be fun. All right. Well-

Wyatt Moss: The whole, uh, content push, so.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I will for- hold you to that.

Wyatt Moss: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It's so hard. Awesome. You're doing amazing. All right. Well, talk to you soon, Wyatt. Thanks so much.

Wyatt Moss: Thank you,

Ally Brettnacher: Ally.

All right. See ya.

Well, look at that. You made it to the finish line of this episode. I think I'm gonna start ending every episode with that 'cause it's brilliant. But I am so glad that you came and listened. If you're new here, head [01:56:00] to the link in the show notes to sign up for my weekly Friday emails. Also, anybody who's been around for a while will always hear me ask if you could share this podcast with a friend, leave a rating or a review so that I can grow this little show into the community that I dream of.

And then now, what is it gonna be? It's gonna be like 20 days out-ish from the Monumental Marathon when this comes out. So it's getting close. Almost time to start stalking the weather. But I have my last big workout, tomorrow as I record this, so hopefully it goes well, and hopefully I see you again next week.

Thank you.

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