Finish Lines & Milestones: Episode 95

February 14, 2025

Here's a link to listen to this week's episode.

Guest: Lisa Hurst @lisanhurst

Show Notes:

⁠Lisa Hurst ⁠has been running and raising money for Indy's beloved⁠ Holliday Park⁠ for 25 years.

During this episode, sponsored by ⁠Barilla Protein + Pasta⁠ and ⁠Athlete Bouquets⁠, we talk about:

⁠The Holliday Park Trail Run⁠ (3/15 and 3/15)
How she started dabbling in running after her favorite workout place closed
Joining a training group for her first half marathon at the Indy Mini before turning 41
Her unique experience of completing a trail marathon before ever running a road marathon
Getting involved in the ⁠TransRockies Run⁠ and preparing for⁠ Run the Rocks⁠ in Moab with a women's group
The family business,⁠ N.K. Hurst Beans⁠, and saving a 100-year-old building in downtown Indy
Meeting her husband of 44 years during college Spring Break
Sharing a connection through running at Lake Wawasee in Syracuse, IN
Her role as grandmother "GoGo" and running her granddaughter, Mia's, first half marathon at the⁠ Monumental Marathon⁠ last year
Her British heritage and father's running background
Creating a woman's hiking group at age 40
Insights from over four decades of marriage
Her passion for gardening
The history and significance of Holliday Park's ruins

⁠Register for the Holliday Park Trail Run here.⁠

This is a ⁠SandyBoy Productions⁠podcast.

Episode Transcript:

This is a Sandy Boy Productions podcast.

Welcome to Finish Lines and Milestones, a podcast that celebrates the everyday runner.

I'm your host, Ali Brettnacher.

Whether you're a season marathoner, half marathoner, ultra marathoner, prefer shorter distances or just getting started, if you run, you are a runner.

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And every runner has a story.

Join me each week as I share these stories and we cross finish lines and celebrate milestones together.

This episode is brought to you by Barilla Protein Plus Pasta.

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Hello and welcome to episode 95.

This is Allie.

This is the last week I will be reminding you of the Barilla Protein plus Pasta Strava Challenge, so if you haven't joined yet, go do that.

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You have to move 17 minutes for the 17 grams of protein in each serving for 10 days in February, which I know probably most of you have already done.

So go ahead and go join that.

And then you get a coupon for a free box of pasta.

So what more could you ask for?

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And then if you missed last week's episode with Dina Lewis, we talked a lot about runner safety and I mentioned an event that's taking place here locally in the Carmel, IN Area Athletic Annex this Sunday, February 16th, 5:50, 14 PM.

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My amazing friend Christy D, also known as This Blonde Runs will be there.

She is Co hosting the event and there will be a safety demonstration.

So I am hoping to be there as well.

And then save the day for May 2nd.

I've said this a couple of times, but in case you haven't saved the day or haven't heard me say it, Lindsay Hyne from I'll Have Another Podcast with Lindsay Hyne is Coming to Town for the Indie Mini and we will be hosting a live podcast event at the Bottle Works Hotel on May 2nd.

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So there will be a link to register soon.

I'll be sure to share that when it's available.

It is going to be a paid event of some kind.

We are ironing out sponsors and exciting partnerships as we speak.

So that's going to be an amazing event.

I'm so excited.

And then Speaking of amazing events, the day this comes out, Valentine's Day, February 14th, marks one month until the Holiday Park Trail Run.

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So again, local event.

Sorry for all you non locals, but there is an amazing trail run in Holiday Park that I finally participated in myself last year and it was amazing.

So my guest this week is Lisa Hurst and we talk all about this race and her involvement in Holiday Park.

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Lisa is the one responsible for starting this race and we didn't say it while we were recording, but afterwards I found out that Lisa is responsible for helping raise almost $10 million for Holiday Park over the last 25 years.

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Of course she said to me I did not do it alone, but she has a huge reason why Holiday Park is what it is today and again, she's the reason for this awesome event.

So on Friday, March 14th, there is a one mile kids run and a tot trot and then pack a pickup and then on Saturday is the five mile run.

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So come join me if you're going to be in town for it.

And I can't wait for you to meet Lisa Hurst.

I want to be her when I grow up.

So enjoy this conversation with Lisa.

'Cause we get to talk about running.

I know which.

Is my favorite topic good?

So welcome Lisa.

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Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you too.

Thank you so much for doing this with me.

Oh I'm excited.

This will be fun.

So fun and thank you to Ben for introducing us.

Yes, he's a great guy.

He's been working for us for a couple of years now.

He's doing a great job and helping pretty much exclusively with the ice rink and with a holiday park trail ride.

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And all the things you have going on too with the play.

I can't wait to talk about the playground.

Oh my God, I have little kiddos so oh.

We've got the place for.

You and I know some parents who listen to this who are local, so very excited about that, yes.

But yeah, we are talking about Holiday Park is the reason we got connected.

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Yes.

And last year was the first year I actually I ran the trail run.

Last good.

Oh, so you've done it.

That's awesome.

Good.

It was so fun.

It is a fun race.

So fun and I am a Roadrunner through and through.

OK Lisa.

So I was like, I don't know about this, but it was like being on vacation.

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I know.

Beautiful trail.

I know.

Can you believe all that is right there in Indianapolis in the middle of a place where you've probably gone by, oh, Germany many times, many times in your down by the river and you're by Williams Creek and you're on these beautiful excluded trails and you're like, Oh my gosh, this is fabulous.

6:03

Magical, I know.

I hope I get to run again this year.

I was trying to decide between bringing my kids on Friday for the kids run.

Well, I think you should do both.

I probably.

Should do both.

Here's the thing though, Lisa, you've been married for 44 years.

I've been married for 10 yes.

And I'm at the stage where we have young kids and I'm just trying to pick and choose some of the.

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Things.

When it relates to running in particular because I'm a little bit addicted to running so.

OK, well, Friday night is very fun and I'm going to put in the pitch for that right now, yeah.

Do it.

During COVID, we separated these events.

They used to be on the same day and because of all of the procedures and everything that was going on at that time, we wanted to do it.

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But we thought we'll spread out the crowd and we'll do the kids on Friday night and then we'll have the adult race on Saturday.

The Friday night race was so popular amongst families that we decided to leave it that way because you could come at 5:30, get your numbers, get ready for the race, run the race.

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The one mile trail run is a real trail run through the woods on trail and then followed by that is the tot trot where the little guys 5 and under race their little parts out and it's the cutest.

It might be my most favorite part of the whole thing.

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Yeah.

Watching these kids be so proud of themselves and then have bonfire and some mores afterwards.

People hang out.

It's your Friday night family event.

It's very reasonably priced.

The kids love it.

We're inspiring young runners and you go home and you put them to bed.

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Yeah, yeah.

And then they're tired because they've run around.

Right.

And they're tired, so it's the perfect Friday night family event.

So I think you should do both.

OK, well, now that that sold me like 100% so I both has to it has to be it.

I'm actually planning to go out to Holiday Park to run this Friday.

7:55

Good.

Yeah, to just get get some video too.

Ben, I'm, you know, I'm being a good content creator.

I'm like, well, this is a good excuse to go out there again before because when I did the race, this is the first time I've ever been over there, which is really.

Fun.

So you sort of, so you sort of know the drill, Yeah.

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Or you'll remember.

Yeah, or I'll meet you there.

Yeah, you should.

So 25 years you've been involved in Holiday Park?

I have, so that's crazy.

I know.

Our kids went to school at Orchard across the street, Orchard School, and I was the garden site chair for Orchard and Bloom, which was an event that school used to have years ago in the park.

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And so I got to know the staff.

And I also live right around the corner.

At the end of my garden show stint, the manager of the park says, you know, you really ought to be on the board.

I go, I've never been on a board.

I was a whopping 3839 years old and I was like, I don't even know what it is to be on a board, but sure, I like the park, I like you.

8:58

I like the staff.

Let's do it.

So I joined the board and at that time they were finishing up the Nature Center campaign.

We did not have a Nature Center, wow until 2000.

OK.

And then, so that was kind of done.

And then they were looking for a signature event that could be enhancing, that would raise money, that would enhance the endowment to take care of the Nature Center.

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So we were all thinking about that, thinking about that.

And I had a friend who took me to run in something called the Outback Scramble, a trail race at Eagle Creek.

Never.

Still exist.

It might.

It is put on by Tuxedo Brothers and they did it for many, many years.

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But my friend took me and we ran all over Eagle Creek and I thought, Oh my God, all on trails.

They let us run all over the place.

We ran in cornfields, we ran.

It was brutal.

Honestly, it.

Was like it.

Was kind of brutal and dry Creek beds.

Everything else, no, but it was super fun.

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I thought we could do this in Holiday Park.

It wouldn't.

We could have a trail race in Holiday Park.

People could come run in it.

It would raise money.

We could put that money in the endowment.

It would help take care of the park.

So that's where it all started.

Took me a while to convince the manager that this would be a good idea.

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He's like, you're going to run all over our trails in the spring.

I go, but we'll stay on the trails.

It'll be fine.

Finally, he relented.

Probably because I was relentless.

Yeah.

And took us another year to put together a race and figure out how to do it.

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And Tuxedo Brothers and Don Carr, who do so many races here in the Indianapolis area, helped.

And we created this course and we've been doing it ever since.

And what year was that that it started?

I had to go back and look.

That was 2001.

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So this year is our is the 25th time I have planned this race.

We did not run it in COVID.

Oh yeah, OK.

We had to cancel the week before.

Right, 'cause that was like, 'cause it's mid March, so that's like, right, Right When?

When the Shamrock Run canceled downtown, I thought we were like that.

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If that race is cancelling, we need to cancel, too.

And so we cancelled.

But we done all the work, raised all the money.

I've gotten all the sponsors.

People came and picked up their T-shirts.

Yeah, it was.

It was sad, but it was definitely the right thing.

To do.

At the time, so this will be the 24th running of the 25th year of the Holiday Park Trail Run.

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That's incredible.

It really is.

I look forward to it so much every year.

It's sort of like the kickoff of spring.

People are dying to get out.

Do something and do.

Anything.

And you know what?

Trail runners do not care what the weather is We have had.

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They don't.

They're crazy.

They will come no matter what.

People will show up.

A couple of years ago, we had a dusting of snow at about 6:00 in the morning and it made the trails slippery as all get out.

There were still 200 people out there trotting their way around those trails.

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And you know what?

It was absolutely gorgeous.

It was so pretty 'cause it was kind of snowing during it.

We've had, I mean, it doesn't matter whether it's muddy or if it's just rain.

We've been very fortunate.

Knock on wood.

Yeah, we've been very fortunate with our weather.

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The wild card is always the river.

Oh yeah, because it's pretty close.

We run by the White River and depending on who's had rain north of us depends on how full the river is.

And it can change our course because I try really hard to make it so that you're not running on two way traffic on a narrow trail coming and going.

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Yeah, Yeah.

And there's only so many ways to organize that trail.

And if the river's high, it provides some challenges.

Wouldn't have really thought about that, but that makes sense.

Yes, yes.

So you know what, like I say, every year, well every year we think we've done it so many times we should have it all figured out.

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But it's there's always a new challenge, always something, there's always something.

And then we go, oh, we've never done that before, but it always works.

It always works.

And people have a.

Good time.

And people always show up and it raises a tremendous amount of money for the park.

That's great.

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Yeah, and people have fun at the same time.

Yeah, What could be better?

Nothing.

So what's funny is I joined my very first board ever a couple years ago Beyond Monumental.

So the Monumental Marathon and a few other events that we have.

And so it's funny you describing like joining a board because I kind of felt the same.

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I'm like, OK, well, I've never been on a board before, but I absolutely love running and I love the Monumental events and sign me up for that.

So yeah, so here I am.

Too good?

How?

Cool for you.

To be part of something like that and starting something like that, that's made such an incredible difference for the park.

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It just, it just warms my heart every year to see all these people doing it, you know, from all backgrounds, all shapes and sizes, all abilities, everybody out there, just to have a good time and to achieve a goal.

Yeah.

You know, that's really what it's all about.

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It's doing something all together and pursuing that same thing.

Yes.

Yeah, well, and I surprisingly, don't ask me how, got an age group award.

Yeah.

And that was so fun in the mail.

I got like a wild birds gift card.

Yes.

And a coffee gift card.

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And it was just.

I was like good race.

I know well there are advantages to smaller races.

Yeah, right.

There's.

More opportunities for those of us to stand on the podium and the longer in age that you run, the better your chances because people tend to maybe give up for a variety of reasons or slow down, which I am too.

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But it's still fun to do.

Just change your expectations and do it anyhow.

Totally, totally.

So how long have you been running Lisa?

So I started running about the same time I sort of dabbled and running after my favorite workout place closed in my late 30s.

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And I was like, oh gosh, now what am I going to do?

Actually, I took a big pause completely and kind of got way out of shape.

I had a young, I had a family that it ranged in age from like 8 to 1516 years old, four kids and I was like, OK, well, my favorite place is gone.

15:20

I got to do something.

What was your favorite place?

It was called One Body, OK, and it was an exercise place at the time that Meg Coyle Ursay owned.

And she was a fabulous teacher and we just loved her, just loved her.

And she was very unique in that she met you where you are and she'd provide modifications.

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She wouldn't say everybody's going to do the same thing.

She'd say, well, if you can't do that, then try this.

And she was very big on form and stretching.

And she really, she was a, she's a fabulous teacher.

She still does some small teaching today, I think small classes today.

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But she was great.

Anyhow, when she closed, I was heartbroken.

So I started running a little bit.

And then a very good friend of mine, Kyle Lanham was, he said to me one winter he goes, you know, I've run with you at Lake Wawasee, it's time for you to come out and try 1/2 marathon.

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I go, Oh no, he goes, I am going to be the 9 minute mile pace leader for training for the mini marathon and I think you should join my running pace group.

And it was through the National Institute of Fitness and Sport Myths.

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Heather Fink, I think her name was something different at that time, but Heather Fink was the overall trainer and it was a fabulous program.

And you met up every week.

I still know some of those.

I still see those people today.

Oh, that's really I do.

They turn up at races and stuff and we all reminisce about that.

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So I did it that year and I ran my first Mini right before I turned 41, which would have been in 2001.

So we had done the trail run, so I was running, but yeah.

And then we had organized the trail run that year and done it in March, and then I ran my first half that May.

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Wow.

And I cried when I crossed the finish line, as we all do.

Because you're sure you you're like, I don't know if I can do this.

I was so worried that I was going to be terrible that, you know, I wouldn't make it.

And you know what?

I missed the whole point.

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The point is that all these people are out there doing it and you're doing it together.

And it doesn't, it doesn't matter how at all, at all.

It's that you do it.

And it was just, and I was like, OK, well, I'm going to try and run this mini marathon for every year for the next 10 years.

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Still, I'm 50.

That'll probably be good.

It's blossomed a little bit from.

That going to say that sounds like the start of.

Something.

And it has been and it has been.

Yeah, so how many times have you run the indie mini?

That's a good question.

Well, at least 10, maybe 15.

17:58

OK, that's I'm about the same.

Maybe 15, maybe 15 times.

I haven't.

I haven't run it for a while, but I've done the monumental.

I ran the Zionsville Half Marathon in November.

Really.

I was out there.

Neat course, very fun course.

18:15

Yes, I've run floors been for the first time a couple years ago.

That's one of our.

Oh that's a great event.

Yes, I've run the Carmel Half in the early years and I was early enough and old enough that I got an age group award one year for the half marathon.

I'm predominantly 1/2 marathon runner.

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I have not run a Rd. full marathon.

I ran the Tecumseh Trail marathon years ago.

That was fun.

So no Rd. marathons.

No Rd. marathons actually.

Trail marathons way harder.

Yes, but as you said, you've kind of feel like you're on vacation and that and that trail, I guess I think these trail races are so neat because you do lose your expectations of pace.

18:59

You're like, well, you can't run the same pace and you, you run what you can and you hike what you can't.

And it's, it's a great, it's a nice variety of motions.

And so I in some ways I feel like it's, yes, it's longer, but it's easier on your body because you're not just doing the same repetitive motion over and it's soft.

19:22

Yeah.

It's soft and the older I get the nicer that.

Is that is?

Yeah.

Yeah, I find myself running on the side of the Monon regularly, or on the right, or on the towpath, because it's like broad.

Ripple area.

Yeah, start at RIVI or, or in Broad Ripple and run, and now you can runway past the Art Museum and it'll connect up to Fall Creek.

19:45

You can get all the way downtown.

Well, shoot, that's really.

Nice and to White River Pkwy, it's really fun.

Yeah, I used to run.

We lived in Broad Ripple for a long time.

And for people who aren't from this area, it's like Broad Ripple's like almost like a college town because other universities there, I love it.

And so I loved.

20:00

I used to run that a lot, a lot, especially to just mix it up from the Monon or even combine the two, depending on how far I was trying to go.

But right.

Yeah.

Right.

I've even been running the levee.

What's that?

The levee?

A long White River.

Oh, sure.

OK, Yeah, you can get four or five miles.

20:18

That's fun.

Out and back on hard packed grass.

Yeah, with a structured thing on the top.

Found that during COVID.

That's fun.

So they didn't have to run by anybody.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Yeah, yeah, it's fun.

Wow.

I know when you run a lot of miles, you have to figure out other places, other ways to run or else you kind of lose your mind, right?

20:41

But it's amazing for trail run.

How much trail is there between Murat and Holiday?

You can put together 7 or 8 miles, just wander around and run all those trails.

You can really.

And there are 1000 steps in Holiday Park if you'd like a real workout.

20:57

Oh boy, 1000 that was the hardest part of the run for me was getting my ass up those stairs.

Oh my God.

That'll bumble you real quick.

I know it's kind of a mean finisher, but.

Well, you know, I'm glad somebody told me it was there because I didn't know.

You know, I show up.

It's my first time.

21:13

I don't know what to expect, really.

I know.

And somebody's like, they're talking about.

I'm like, excuse me, what are you talking about?

And they're like, oh, yeah, there's stairs at the end.

And I'm like, OK, well, now I know.

Yeah, so and.

I know, yeah.

Yeah, every time I do it, I go, boy, this is really rotten to me to do this at the end.

But honestly, there's no other way.

21:29

You've got to come up because you are running down low by the White River.

You have to come back.

You have to do it.

So you have to do it.

Oh, yeah.

And then you really feel like you've accomplished something.

Yes.

When you get up to that top, you're like, OK.

OK, wow.

Just did that.

21:44

Hills are good.

For you, yes, yes they are.

So do any of your kids run?

You know, when I was training with NIFS, my son, yes, decided he was, he did make the soccer team.

I said, you know, I think you could be a runner.

And he goes OK, and he did my training with me for the half marathon, but he couldn't be participate in the program.

22:06

And then the next year they let him do the training program.

And yes, he became a very good runner and ran for BER Buff in high school and was a fabulous runner, went to state and everything else.

So and it has still, it still does some running right now.

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He's a new parent, so he's not running too much right now.

Exciting for you?

And our other son did too.

So both the boys actually ran the mini when they are around 13. 14 years old.

Yeah, that's.

I know our son Charlie ran the mini on his 13th birthday and my friend put it's my 13th birthday on his shirt.

22:43

That's so smart.

And she she said, now, Charlie, a lot of people are going to say happy birthday, but you don't need to say thank you to everyone of them.

Well, he said, oh, my gosh, I had to say thank you.

He goes, thousands of people wish me a happy birthday on just the best.

23:00

Yeah.

And the boys, the boys are good.

The boys are good.

OK, so you have two boys and two girls.

I have two girls and my oldest daughter runs too.

Britt.

Britt runs a little bit, but she's more of a biker.

OK, but Samantha runs too.

She is the reason we got into this crazy race called the Trans Rockies Run.

23:17

Whoa.

It is a.

What the heck that?

Is you need to look it up, it's a six day race.

Actually, this is the last year for it in Colorado, but it is a six day or a three day trail race in the Rockies where you get up and run every day.

23:33

You cover 58 miles in three days or 120 in six days.

Oh, it's major.

That's a lot.

And she said, Chris, my husband and I are going to do this.

We've had a great time.

They went and did it.

And I said, you're doing what?

23:49

You're going to run 58 miles in like 8000 feet of elevation.

And three days she goes, yeah, it's twenty the first, first day, 13 the second day and 25 on the last day.

I go, how are you going to do that?

And she said, I don't know.

24:06

But we're we've trained for it.

We're going to do it.

And then the next year she goes, Mom, you could do this.

I go, I could.

And we trained and we did it.

Cool.

We did it.

And I actually did it twice.

So I did it at 52 and at 56, yeah.

24:22

Wow.

It was it.

It is absolutely beautiful.

It was so hard.

It was hard.

I'm not going to tell you your legs are killing you because in the morning you get up and you go, how am I going to run again today?

But somehow you do.

24:38

You do.

Move and get.

You just move.

You just what else was the option then if you like wanted to not run.

I guess you could have quit right there, but.

Somebody would have picked you up in a van and take.

Actually, yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know how they got people off the course that quit in the middle, right.

24:53

Or you just didn't go.

Yeah.

But you know what?

You could hike the whole thing.

You really could.

You really can.

Yeah.

So I am continuing to do these trail races.

You one of your questions was what's on your oh, what's on your list?

What's on the list?

25:09

So Trans Rockies has opened up a race, a three day race in Moab called Moab Run the Rocks.

And I've convinced a group of women to go and do that the first weekend in March before Trail.

OK.

Three days and there's two distances you can do a full pint or 1/2 pint, so we've signed up for the half pint which is 35 miles in three days.

25:34

How fun is that?

It's.

How big is the group of women?

How many women?

That I'm going last year there were six of us this year there were four of us.

That's the best.

Plus a couple of, you know, college kids of somebody's and.

Right, just like friends hobbled.

Together, my friend that started me running, Kyle Lanham, is going yeah, it's going to be great.

25:52

So, so cool.

It's gorgeous.

I mean, you just stand out there and you go, I can't believe I'm doing this.

Have you ever done a Ragnar race?

Do you know what?

Those are Oh yes, I've done a Ragnar.

I did my first one last September.

Oh, you did?

Where were you?

I did Michigan Rd.

26:08

I've heard that's a good.

One, it's great.

It was a blast.

And you know, I just think about, yeah, getting women together to go do something.

Like I have another group of women I've done some racing with too, and it just fills me up.

Like weekends like that.

I just we could like be sitting on a beach drinking margaritas or we could just like be sleeping in a van and I choose the van, I guess.

26:28

And it's it was so fun.

But a couple of them are going back and doing the trail one this year.

OK, I had said no only because like I said.

Earlier I can.

Choose it's, gosh, I don't know, it's in Michigan somewhere, but I don't know where in Michigan.

And then they've got a ton around the country.

Of course, Ragnar, some trail runners are kind of like, meh, it's more corporate.

26:47

Yeah, you know, the organization.

So I people feel a different way about that, I guess.

But for me, it was a great experience.

I absolutely loved it.

I would love to do a trail one.

I am eyeing Zion.

Yeah, next.

It's in early May.

It would be before the many, but I want to do that in 2026.

27:04

Is it a half?

Is it a trail?

Yes.

It's on trail.

Yeah.

It's a Zion.

And how long is it?

I think, I think all of them are like 200 ish miles is what they say ish.

So it's not like.

Oh, so it's ragbar style?

Yes, but it's the trail ones are different in that you don't like.

27:22

So the Michigan one I did was point to point.

So you start in Traverse City and then you run in Michigan and, and then you kind of just figure out where to sleep and how to sleep on the way.

And, but with the trail ones, I guess most of them, if not all of them are looped.

So that makes it different.

27:38

So you come in, you do your loop, and then I'll go do my loop and then somebody else will do it.

Seems nice because then you could actually sleep, probably a little.

Better.

I know I didn't sleep much during.

That right, Yeah.

So which one did you do?

We did Wickenburg to Scottsdale, wow, Wickenburg, AZ to Scottsdale and ended up in Scottsdale.

27:56

It was cool.

It was very fun.

Yeah, see, I want there's like I just, there's so many things that I want to do, Lisa.

Know so many I know.

What you got?

You got plenty of time.

I got.

I hope.

So how old are your children?

I have two girls and 1 is almost four and one is 7.

28:13

OK, you got plenty of time.

Yeah.

And I'm.

They watch me run, right.

So I'm trying to get, you know, I hope that they enjoy that.

So that something perhaps we could do when they're older, we could do together.

We'll see.

Yeah, I hope for that.

But you never know.

Never know.

You never.

Know, Yeah.

And so are you.

28:29

Is your family from here, Lisa?

Are you from India the area?

Yes, born and raised in Indianapolis.

Yeah, we've been here the whole time.

We have a family business here in Indianapolis called Hurst Beans, which is so cool.

Yeah, NK Hurst Beans.

28:45

And we sell grocery.

We sell dried beans to grocery stores all over the country.

So do you eat so many beans?

You know we don't ask you that.

We do and we don't.

Yeah, we do and we don't.

We're like everybody else.

We eat them in the winter time.

29:00

We make, we throw them in salads.

We we do stuff.

But yeah, they are one item on our menu.

Yes, yes.

But we don't eat them every day or even every week.

Yeah, yeah.

I would imagine it's that would be something that would be very hard to do every day, all the time.

29:15

You know what the South does though?

Yeah, beans are served.

Almost.

Every meal.

Probably every.

Meal and our Hispanic community of course eats beans all the time, right?

Yeah, yes, yes.

And how cool is it?

I love just like I can just visualize like the name on the building.

29:32

Yeah, downtown.

Downtown.

Historical, which is now a event venue.

Correct, correct.

I've never been there.

So we let's see how long have we done that for?

I think the heirloom at NK Hearst is about this is its fourth real season.

29:49

We started, we moved out of it and and rebuilt a new very modern state-of-the-art packaging facility up in Zionsville about five years ago and my husband and I bought the downtown building from the business.

30:06

OK, OK.

Oh, I didn't realize that.

Yes.

So it is separate.

It is separate.

And we decided that it would get torn down if we didn't.

Honestly, yeah.

So we wanted to have a second chapter and we and people thought we were nuts.

30:23

You're going to do what you're fixing up this quirky.

I mean, the main space is where all the beans came in, in 100 LB bags and sat on the floor, on the warehouse floor.

I mean, the floor was wood.

It had steel plates all over it.

We rehabbed all the floors.

30:40

I mean, it's a quirky space, but it has been very fun.

Crystal Catering, Crystal Signature Events is our caterer.

They lease the building from us.

They host all the events and we're seeing upwards of 120 events a year now.

30:57

Corporate weddings, parties, Taylor Swift, pre parties, Yeah.

I mean, you name it, it's happening there.

It's really great.

And it's so fun.

We, you know, you run into somebody all the time.

Oh, I went to a wedding at your place.

31:13

Yeah.

You're like, well, that's great.

We love being a part of people's memories.

Yeah.

Yeah, I did it.

We had our wedding reception at Crane Bay downtown, which is really cool and I think Crystal Catering.

Is the same.

Yeah, Yeah.

I was like, that sounds familiar.

It's been a decade, so I forget.

31:29

But yeah, just that whole area downtown, I mean, it's really special.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

So it's fun to be a part of that.

It's fun to save a historic building downtown because we're right around 100 years old down there.

But our new facility is great, too, and we've been packing beans for almost 90 years.

31:48

OK, where do the beans come from?

The beans come from California, from Michigan, from drier states.

OK.

But we don't grow it here.

We don't grow it here.

We bring it in in 100 lbs.

We actually now we bring it in in giant totes that could almost that are not much smaller than this room.

32:07

Well, huge square sacks and then we repackage it in grocery sized store bags.

Grocery sized bags, yes.

So we sell regular beans, but really our claim to fame is Hearst 15 bean.

Soup.

Yes.

Yeah.

32:22

And it has.

I've never had that.

Now I need to have it.

Now you'll need to have a She brought you a bag.

Yeah, because I can tell.

I've seen it a million times.

Well, they'll be at the Holiday Park Trail run as a part of your goodie bag, so make sure you perfect make sure you pick it up.

Yes I will.

I don't miss a goodie bag.

No, yeah.

32:38

OK.

So that's so interesting.

How do you how do they mix those together then just like a big.

Well, this giant mixer, it's wild yes, they dump all the different varieties in and that mixes it yes and it it can X-ray and see whether or not there's a rock because a rock is the same size as a bean and it can kick out the rocks.

32:58

We have very state-of-the-art equipment.

So we have we deliver very clean product 90.

Years.

Cool, how did you meet your husband?

In college, on spring break, down in Florida.

Perfect.

33:14

Yeah, really bad.

Oh boy, no alcohol involved at all.

No, no.

And then we were married when we were 20 and 20.

Three.

No, you were not.

Yeah, I guess that adds up, doesn't it?

That makes sense.

But like 40?

Four years.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, on spring break, married 44 years.

33:31

So cool this summer.

I know.

Wow, crazy 4 kids.

Yeah.

And four kids.

All grown probably.

And all married, yeah.

Probably your age.

Yep.

Yeah.

Probably.

I'm 38.

OK, I had to think for a second, but I am I'm.

Sorry, where did you go to?

Did you grow up here?

33:47

I did.

I went to Westfield High School.

OK.

I have two younger sisters.

We all went to different high schools so I had a sister go to her buff.

Yeah.

Really, Casey Hill, You have to.

Have How old is she?

I barely remember how old I am.

Lisa.

She must be 36.

She's like 2 years younger than me.

34:04

OK, Yeah.

So what year was that?

2006?

Yeah, Yeah, I graduated O 4. 04 Yeah.

So I have a daughter that's 41.

OK, 39 And then the boys are 36.

OK and 34.

OK, Did they all go to Burbuff?

34:20

Yep.

OK.

Yeah, probably, I'm sure.

So Ben Casey Hill, Yeah, that would have been maybe Ben's class.

OK.

We'll find out anyway.

We will find out.

We will.

Find out.

Another connection that you mentioned earlier on was Wawasee.

Yes.

So we go to Wawasee.

Really.

34:36

Yeah.

And I've run up there.

I've done the.

Flotilla race.

Yeah, I know that's a good race.

Stand on the podium.

And you get to win who knows what.

It's amazing.

Don't.

You love that.

Did you run last summer?

Yeah.

You know what?

We were there together.

Yeah, I didn't run the 8 miles last year.

34:52

I ran the three because I wasn't really prepared.

OK, Did you run 8?

Yeah, that's so funny.

When I would do fall marathons it usually like signifies my like kick off to.

My training perfect time to have 8 mastered.

35:09

Yeah, yeah.

So that's a fun race, but we've been going, we were at the, we're at the Spink in Wawasee, which is this big condo building.

There's only a few of those on the.

Lake.

Yeah, we're wide.

We're right by the Wawasee Boat Company.

OK, Yeah.

Just down in Pickwick Park.

Yeah, that's so close.

OK, well, we're going to start running, right?

35:26

Well, you'll be a little.

Fast.

Well, no.

But we can start together.

Well, it'd be so fun.

I love being able to run up there.

It's a great place to run around.

Do you run around Syracuse?

Yeah, you know, it's.

Not it's a little harder for you to get to.

Where do you run from the Spink?

So I will run up so the trail goes pretty far from the Spink because if I start out and I head what direction is that?

35:48

I don't maybe I don't know I but there's a we have a trail that they finally put in a sidewalk so I can good I can get on a sidewalk all the way.

I usually run 6 miles is I can run kind of to the Dairy Queen that's on.

Well, that's where you turn to go to my house.

36:03

That's so funny.

OK, well, and I have another woman who's been on this podcast, Jordan Huffman.

She goes up there in the summers too.

And so we've gotten to run together.

We've only been able to match up weekends once, but it was, it's so nice to be able to.

It's beautiful to run up there.

36:18

I love it.

I used to run when I would marathon train out on those country roads, but I don't do that anymore because my parents are like, no, you're going to get kidnapped or who knows.

Like or bitten by a.

Run over or Yeah.

People drive fast.

They do.

It's a little nuts.

Yeah, like the other side of the lake.

36:34

I used to run from the other side and try and come back towards the middle school.

Yeah.

It's like taking your life in your hands.

Yeah, it's bad.

Yeah.

Or get dropped off at the fish hatchery and kind of try and come back.

No.

Yeah, one of these days there's going to, there's got to be a path around that lake and that they're working on.

36:52

Unbelievable.

Yeah, we probably won't be up there anymore by that time.

No.

Yeah, I hope so.

I love it up there.

I hope so too, it's a great spot.

Yes, so wawasee.

So yeah, perhaps if you're there for the 4th of.

July I was just saying after this Moab race, I've got to hang on to this mileage.

37:10

Yeah, so that I can run the 8 miles again.

Last year for some reason, I like totally quit after Moab run the rocks and I I just didn't run them.

I I ran but I didn't keep my distance.

Up.

Yeah, yeah.

So do you have you have grandbabies?

I do.

37:25

How many?

I have Samantha has three older ones that are in high school, middle school and elementary school.

So 1613 and 1614 and 10.

Wow.

And then our son just had his first a year ago, and we just celebrated that last weekend in New York.

37:47

But nobody lives here in Indianapolis.

Nobody here.

Nope.

New York, Denver, Los Angeles and Ashland, OR.

Some cool places to visit.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, if they're not going to be here, might as well be somewhere that's.

Yep.

So we go, so we go run other place, we we go visit and we and we're lucky that we can do it.

38:07

Yeah.

Wow, that's that's amazing.

Yeah, it's fun.

So fun.

So yes, we have some runners over there.

Mia is running, Charlotte can run, but she loves horses.

Will is still figuring things out.

So.

He's he's only 10.

38:24

His birthday is today, actually.

That's fun.

Turns 10 today. 10 on Yeah on.

On their birthday.

Oh my gosh, I forgot to say that special this morning I got.

Well, you'll have to remember that I'll have.

To call him.

Special day.

It's golden.

Golden.

Yes.

Yeah.

OK.

38:40

Wow.

All right.

So how many half marathons do you think that you've done, Lisa, in the course you're running?

4550 if I ran them to a year, OK, 25 years, gosh.

Maybe, Yeah, yeah.

38:57

I would say probably at least.

At least, yeah.

Yeah, some years 3, some years none.

Some years probably close to 50.

I mean if you count a three day trail race.

Well, yes, yeah.

That I mean that the length, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

39:14

And what are some of your most memorable races or like, any stories that come to mind when you think about those races that you've done?

Well, the, the three day trail races are just amazing.

39:29

Yeah.

The people that you meet, the, the, the scenery that you see the Trans Rockies race in Colorado.

The day 2, you start in Leadville at 10,000 feet and you run about two miles and then you hike over, then you and then it goes up and it's over.

39:50

Hopes pass.

Oh my gosh.

And hopes Pass is at 12 five and it's a part of the lead wheel 100.

And at the top there's usually a a person in a Yeti costume that you can get your picture taken with.

And then you hike down or trot down the backside 4 more miles and then you still have 4 miles to the finish line.

40:12

It's absolutely the most beautiful.

The most beautiful, of course, I've ever seen, and probably the hardest.

Yeah, yeah.

Where do you how do you sleep in that situation?

In tents.

OK Oh my gosh.

In tents.

So do you have?

40:27

To carry your tent.

Or no, they're they're totally deluxe.

They they set up tent city.

That was a dumb question, I'll edit that out.

Yeah, tent city shower.

How does the stuff get everywhere?

Shower trucks.

Oh.

They shower trucks, you pack up your bag, you hand it to them in the morning and it's where you land the next day.

40:46

That's that afternoon.

That's nice.

Yeah, in a shower.

They have shower.

Trucks.

That's amazing.

Chat up people from all over the world standing in line to get a shower.

Yeah, I'm like, I don't think I showered at the Ragnar.

No, no, probably not.

Because it, I mean, it's pretty short and it's like you change clothes, you wipe yourself off and you're like, OK, I got in a sprinkler 1.

41:04

So I was like this counts.

No, we didn't do that either.

No, the trail races are so fun just to see how many people are coming from how many different places.

That is true.

So many of us are flatlanders when you.

I love that.

41:19

Yeah, I mean.

We're flat.

Never.

I don't we're.

Flatlanders.

I mean, my hill training is up the Butler Hill and the Bell Tower steps.

I mean, that's what I'm doing for my hill.

Do you know any other hills right?

Or holiday.

Park right Holiday, Eagle Creek and going just out there.

41:37

And going and doing.

Eagle Creek Bend, we have a hill.

I've not close enough to do that one all the time, but.

Yeah, I know it.

Where I live, I'm in West Carmel.

It's very flat.

Yeah, there's no where I don't, there's no hills really to speak of.

41:52

I did when I trained.

I did the New York City Marathon years ago and I trained a lot of the hill stuff on my treadmill just using incline because I mean.

Yeah, that's terrible, isn't?

It a little bit of torture.

No.

Another good memory, though, was that I got to run my first.

I got to run her first half marathon with my granddaughter Mia Larkins last fall and we did the monumental together and she did great, just did great.

42:19

And I only finished a MIT 45 seconds per mile behind her, so I felt really good about that.

As you should.

Yeah.

Did she, how did she feel at the end?

Was she like, oh, let's, I can't wait to do that again?

She is signed up to do a a big trail race with her father this summer.

42:35

OK, so which one?

It's the last year of that trans rocket racing, so that's what.

She's doing it.

So she's doing it and they have to stay 2 minutes apart because they're running as a team.

Oh, interesting.

And so he's in big trouble.

Her father.

42:51

Yeah, because she can run.

So he's going to have to somehow.

He is.

I think he's panic.

Stricken I would be.

I know.

That sounds.

I mean, it'd be one thing to go do it on your own and do your.

Own.

Yeah, right.

But another thing to know, I mean, I see why he wants to be near her, but I hope they can stay together.

43:11

She's going to be waiting around for him.

I know it.

And she's good.

She's long, she's lean, she's got legs like a gazelle.

I mean, she's she's going to be a great rider.

She is a great rider.

She's from across the country, that is.

So with minimal training, she finished like at an 845 pace for her first half marathon.

43:30

And I think she ran 110.

And like, you haven't even tried yet.

And you're.

You're awesome.

Yeah.

Already.

That's so, man.

So I just have to say that was really special for me that she A1 she goes logo.

I think I'd like to come and run my first half marathon in Indianapolis with you.

43:48

Would that be OK?

I'm like, are you kidding?

I would love that.

That's so.

I was just, it was heartwarming.

Yes, my dad, he is 60, going to be 69 this year, OK.

And he is one of the reasons I got into running.

Mom used to run as well.

44:05

Oh, so you've really come from a?

Family friend, which that likes running.

There was no like cross country track though in the family.

It was just like my parents when they had us, they would run.

Yeah.

And yeah.

So he really, really wants to do a race with my oldest daughter.

44:20

Like he's like, I just really hope that I can do she wants to and like I can still do it and then she wants to do it and he's like trying to do the math like I.

Don't know.

Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know, like how old she has to be and he has to be to.

I know they could do it, yeah.

44:35

So is he still running?

He's still running.

He is.

Yeah, that is such.

I know every time I think, well, I'll be able to.

And then there goes somebody by me who's older than I am or that I meet up at a race and you're like, well, I got to keep, I guess I'm going to keep running.

There was a woman who did the seven continents in seven days.

44:53

He was 68.

No, I, I, I look at that.

I'm like, Oh my God, what?

7 continents in.

Six in seven days.

That's.

Incredible.

That's nuts.

That is incredible.

See.

There you go.

Add that to your bucket list, Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't know, but I am so inspired by people that do that and that's what keeps us all going.

45:13

Yes, absolutely.

Well, if they can do it and I, you know, I wrote this down this morning.

I think the thing that you have to remember is that your body can do way more than you think it can.

You just have to be willing to let it try.

45:29

That's really good and it's so true.

It is.

You can talk yourself at it just about anything.

Right.

You had written like, what's your mantra?

I don't know that I have a mantra necessarily.

Do you have a mantra?

Oh yeah?

What do you watch them now?

Run the mile you're in.

Run the mile.

45:44

Or you get to do this.

Those are my two favorites.

You get to do this, right?

You're lucky.

And I say you're lucky to do this.

Yeah, it's just another mile, I guess I say that.

Similar things, right?

It's.

Just another mile or when I get to over the halfway point.

You've run 6 miles a million times.

46:00

Yeah, it's just three miles.

How many 3 miles have you walked?

Right.

Exactly.

Those are the things, kind of things that I, I say to myself.

And I also, I have to say that I, I talk to people that aren't here, whether that's spiritual or not.

But I, I talked to my dad who was a fabulous runner in England when he was in his early 20s after the war, he was running with men that were training for to be in the Olympics in England.

46:27

They were London runners and he was running a 425 mile.

What?

I know he ran cross country stuff.

He said we'd have to hike 10 miles to the cross country scores course in the army or in college and or in boarding school and run a 7 mile course over hill and Dale through water steeplechase kind of.

46:51

Stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

And then high comb and he was the Garrison, he was the champ. 7 miles.

Cool.

So my dad died just a year ago in January.

And that day after he died, I thought I need to run because I was training for this race.

47:09

I said, OK, I'm going.

And I ran 7 miles and I talked to him the whole way there.

You go, it's good.

He lived a really long life.

How old?

How old, 9696?

96, yeah.

That's pretty incredible.

So I tend to talk to people that aren't here anymore, that have maybe died too soon or and I also think about all the people who can't, right?

47:30

Who physically?

Who physically can't through misfortune and would love to be able to do something this and how lucky we are to be moving and doing something like this at this point at any point in your life, right?

It's such, it's such a uplifting experience.

47:47

Yes, yeah, absolutely.

Makes you feel good about yourself.

It makes you feel good about everybody else around you.

Yeah, it's it's a wonderful thing.

It really is.

And it makes you feel lucky.

Yeah.

And I really do feel so lucky when I, Yeah.

And I try to always remember that when I might not want to.

48:03

It's like OK.

Yeah, you get to do it though.

You get to do this, right.

I am so lucky I get to.

Do this say that all the time now I have it on my wall in my home gym Do.

Yep, you get to do this.

So do it.

So yeah, so just do it.

Don't complain about it.

48:20

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So growing up, did you spend time in England visiting your dad's family?

48:36

Little bit my both my parents are British, actually.

Mom too.

My mom is too.

And my mom is still alive.

She's 93.

Goodness, I know I've got I've got some longevity if I behave right.

If I shave right.

Yeah, I'm trying.

48:51

I'm trying.

So yes, we did not go to England much when I was a child, but we have travelled there many times since.

Yeah, Yeah.

That's pretty.

Wild having both parents that are British.

I know I couldn't figure out what my parents are.

49:06

I mean, we all speak English, but my parents are very different from everybody else's.

I don't know why.

Well, after I finally, you know, grew up and went to England many times in my 20s and 30s, I was like, I get it now.

They're British.

49:22

They're not American, they're British.

And it's totally different culture.

What were some of the things that you would say were like so different?

Oh, their accents, the way they said things, the way they phrased things that my father went to boarding school, they didn't understand.

49:39

The school system here, they didn't understand.

They just look at things completely different.

I don't know small village English life.

You got tea?

Like do they?

Like, oh, tea, tea every.

Time I'm trying to think of the cliche.

Yes, Yeah.

Tea and tea every afternoon at four Eggs and fried bacon on fried toast every morning with a roasted tomato.

50:02

Yes.

OK.

Roast beef in Yorkshire pudding on Sunday nights.

What's the pudding?

What's that?

It's actually like a bread.

It's a puffed bread.

It's like, it's delicious.

Yeah, yeah.

A roast every night of my childhood.

I mean, of on Sundays.

Yeah.

Yeah, a roast beef in Yorkshire pudding or a roast lamb dinner with roasted potatoes.

50:24

I mean, it's going to make me hungry.

What brought them to the United States?

My father took care of cars for Grand Prix race car drivers, and that's so cool.

I know.

So they raced all over Europe, met some Americans that said why don't you come to the United States and run the sports Car Club in Indianapolis and they did OK.

50:43

And then he drove cars for people here, but Grand Prix cars.

Grand Prix, which is I don't.

Say it's unusual.

It's not an Oval course, it's a road course.

OK.

Yeah, so dry.

Run our Speedway, but like, no.

OK, No, all kinds of races that Sebring races that you haven't heard of.

51:03

Yeah, Silverstone, Sebring, even, I don't know all the races.

Elkhart Lake.

Wow.

So they did all that.

That's what brought them here, and then they stayed.

Wow.

And they stayed.

And they were they in Indiana?

Then the whole time, the whole time.

51:19

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah, Somebody found him a job and he stayed.

He was started as a mechanic and then he worked for a trucking company and became a marketing sales director.

And yeah, they stayed here the whole time, the whole time.

And still my mother still has a British accent.

I was wondering I was she.

51:35

Still, she still has it.

Yeah, slightly.

She does.

Not as much as my my family in England does, but my extended family.

But she still has it.

Yeah, that's.

Yeah, yeah.

Wow.

So I think my sports comes from my dad because he raced cars, he played tennis, he ran, he wow, he played badminton, he loved, he loved sporting games, racket games in particular, but.

52:00

Oh yeah?

Are you a pickleballer?

Do you pickleball?

I am trying to be yes.

I want to be a pickleballer.

I know we have fun games.

Spink we have courts right there up at the lake and so I play a couple times.

I play up there.

Yeah, that's fun.

But you know, with the young kids and like, we want to play or, you know, it's just you have to pick and choose, like, do I want to go for a run?

52:16

Do I want to play?

Pick a wall, right?

Usually the run win.

Usually get up out of bed and go for your run early right?

Well, race.

I don't know.

Being sleepy and watching cartoons.

Exactly.

Exactly how did you get the name Go Go?

I love it.

52:33

By the way, thank you.

Thank you.

I have a very good friend who is not with us any longer.

And when I knew I was going to be a grandparent and when Samantha was pregnant, she goes, I know exactly what your name should be.

It should be Gogo.

52:49

I said, you know what, that has merit.

I like that.

I think I'll do it.

So a friend named me Gogo.

That's and it's.

Even more special.

And my husband's name?

No, you're not going to be surprised by this.

Is bean, go go and bean.

53:05

That.

Those are her names.

That's just pretty great.

Bean bean.

Oh my gosh.

So we have my, my dad is Papa and my mom is BG BG for big Granny because she's not big at all.

She's very small.

And so my sister for some reason started calling her Big grandma or something.

53:23

We were like joking about it and then we'd call her BG for sure.

And then it just stuck.

And then now she's so now it's BG and Papa.

There you go.

BG and Papa.

I always love, you know, hearing people's current names, right, because sometimes you name yourself like you get to pick and you're like on go go here I am.

53:39

And then other times you get chosen and they're like calling them Bean and.

Yeah, I mean, she was.

My friend was poking in front of me.

She goes.

You're always doing.

Something on the go.

You're always on the go.

Your name should be go go.

Yeah, Oh my gosh.

Yeah, so it's fun.

That is really fun.

53:55

It's a good.

It's a good name that is.

So is BG.

Yeah, BG is good.

Yeah, yeah, very good.

And everyone's always like, why?

What's that?

And they're like big grandma.

And they're like, wait, that doesn't exactly like that.

Doesn't compute.

It's like, yeah, it's fun, man.

So we talk about the group of women that you've travelled with to races.

54:14

Yeah.

So who?

Who are these women?

How did you?

Well, now they're a little bit younger than me.

So actually most most of these friends, well, one of them is my Co chair from the Holiday Park Trail run.

OK, since it started and she was a young mother and I said and I knew she was a runner and she's a fabulous runner.

54:36

She's probably run 30 or 40 full marathons and she helped me Co chair the Holiday Park Trail Run for the first decade.

So and her name is Sarah Klayman.

So she's one that comes and and we do stuff together.

Another one is a friend that I've known.

54:54

She was our kids babysitter.

Get out of town.

Yeah.

And aren't my children's godmother and she's just five years younger than I am.

So she's done it.

She's pulled in a friend.

I I don't know.

We've just picked up people that are still that are still running.

55:10

But a lot of these the, the other thing that you don't know about me when you said, oh, what is something you'd want us to know?

I have a, a, a very good friend and I started a women's hiking group when we were 40 years old, when I was 40 years old.

55:27

And we started going to national parks for a week and hiking one bike for five days and then backpack loaded out on the trail at 8:30 in the morning, home by 4/30, 5:00.

And we started this 25 years ago almost and we are still, we've been to so many national parks and we have anywhere from, I don't know, 12 to 22 women that have joined us over the years for our hiking trips.

55:56

And we've taken one every year except COVID for the last 25 years.

I want to be friends with you, Lisa.

Geez, so start a hiking.

Group.

There you go.

Start a women's hiking group when you turn 40.

Yeah, Oh.

Because your kids will be at about the right age and you can probably get away for four to six days and go pick a place and go do it.

56:17

Yeah, but we're not talking about, you know, carrying, sleeping in tents and.

And.

We're like.

A good day hike.

Good hiking.

Anywhere from We've hiked everywhere from 4:00 to 14 to 17 miles in a day that's really come home, go out for dinner, have a glass of wine, get up, do it again, make your breakfast, put it and make your breakfast, Make your lunch, put it in your backpack and go hike.

56:42

OK.

So you obviously like the Rockies a lot because you've done the running there.

But like what else?

What is your favorite spot?

Oh my gosh, I would say Olympic National Park.

That's Washington.

Washington proud of myself.

Olympic National Park, yes, we've been there twice and then I took our whole family there for my 60th birthday.

57:02

Beautiful park, different ecosystems.

You can be in the rainforest, you can be by the ocean, you can be up at elevation on the mountain tops and the ridges.

It's a fabulous, fabulous National Park, but we've been all over.

We've been to California, we've been to Washington.

57:18

We've done Utah many times.

We've done.

I saw you've been to Montana.

We used to go out to.

We've been Yellowstone, we've done, we have, yes, yes, we've done Acadia, we've done the Smokies, we've done this year.

We're going to do this.

We're going to go to Santa Fe in October, OK.

57:35

And we're going to do kind of a combo art thing.

And the other interesting thing about this group is there's a 20 year age span we go from so cool.

I like that.

So 55 to 7580, almost 80.

No, I think we're at 8.

We have a couple that are at 80 and everybody is got some aches and pains now and we're offering two sets of hikes a day and somebody's going to go shorter and some of us are going to go longer, but still works.

58:02

Yeah.

And the camaraderie and and everybody doesn't necessarily see each other all the time, but everybody is low maintenance and willing to get up, put on their backpack and go and not fuss if the bed is crabby or.

Yeah, yeah, it's terrible.

58:18

We all have lots of friends that we love, but not everybody is cut out to go on a hiking.

Yeah.

Week.

Yeah, they just aren't.

Yeah, It's like, no offense, my mom listens to this.

I love you, mother.

But she would not.

Yeah, she my poor mom.

She can't sleep at all anymore.

58:34

And so it's like at the bed.

Yeah.

Yeah, no.

She loves being active, but yeah, the.

Yeah, so.

And some people really have to have things a certain way.

And when you go and stay in national parks, you could sleep on the worst bed of your life for many days.

58:51

You know, and, and, and you can't complain about it because we are, we got everybody to sleep in tents.

Once we did a trip to Havasu and hiked down the Canyon and stayed down in those beautiful turquoise waters for five days.

59:07

And we slept on the edge of the Grand Canyon, but it was cold.

And everybody said we're so glad we did it, but we are not sleeping in tents again, so forget it.

Yeah, I would love to think that I could do that, but I don't know.

I've not.

I just wasn't.

I wasn't raised where I went in tents and I think I could.

59:25

I tried a.

Little we did it.

We did do it with a guide.

With a guide.

OK.

Well, that's helpful.

Yeah, cuz we get we didn't know what we were.

Doing I was like, Lord knows.

I no, you need to be safe from.

Yourself.

Yeah, I was the one in the group.

I get really hangry.

I need to be fed.

59:40

Yeah.

OK.

So if I'm hungry, that's when it's not good.

Otherwise I I would consider myself pretty easy going.

Yeah.

People are going to laugh at that.

I'm not that easy.

I I'm very type A but I can relax.

OK.

I could not.

I'm not.

No, probably not.

59:56

It's probably not for me, but I want it to be, yeah.

Yeah.

So another goal for this year is to hike our Knobstone Trail.

Did you know that we have a trail in Indiana that is, I think it's well over 60 or 70 miles long?

Wow.

1:00:12

That and I and I just picked up South.

OK, Yeah.

Yeah, it goes through Yellow Wood and some of the Hoosier National Forest.

And it is a it's a full length trail that you could, you could do the whole thing and camp along the way or do it in sections.

So I'm going to try and put together some women who would like to do 8 to 10 miles and then come home, and then maybe next month go do another eight to 10.

1:00:37

Yeah.

Hike it in sections.

Well, and I love the idea of doing that in Indiana because there's so much here that.

We have not explored.

Yeah, exactly.

That's why that Tecumseh trail run is so cool.

Yeah, because it's down in the Yellow Wood Forest.

I've heard a lot of beautiful that race a lot.

Beautiful.

1:00:52

Yeah, I just remembered the name Tecumseh.

I used to go to Camp Tecumseh as a kid, so and.

Of course, that's up.

Oh, that is.

It's.

It's different than the.

And it's up by Lafayette and this becomes the trail run is down in the in the in Yellowwood State Forest.

1:01:08

All right.

Yeah, I have no idea.

Yeah, look at that.

Have you seen any crazy wildlife in these adventures of yours?

Because I feel like you've had to have seen some pretty cool stuff.

Hiking, yes.

More so.

Yeah, yes.

Giant steer, A few bears that ran through our group, you know, wrestled through and then took off.

1:01:28

Fortunately, yeah.

Bighorn sheep, all the usual stuff.

Eagles, all the usual stuff.

Fox.

Yes, all the usual suspects, but nothing ever super scary.

That's good.

Yeah.

Bears are really scary.

Don't.

Yeah, they.

Fortunately this was a little black bear, so that had just gotten away from its mother.

1:01:45

We were a little worried about where the mother.

Was otherwise, yeah, that's.

Yeah, but not not we have not had any major sightings up close that were unwanted.

Yeah, that's good.

That's so fun.

This makes me want to do all the things again like I just.

1:02:02

Yeah, you've.

Got so many cool experiences.

There are so many places to go, so many things to see.

Yeah, yeah.

It's funny because you say, oh, you have time.

It's like, well, I hope I, I don't know, I hope I have time, right.

That's part of my problem is I'm like well.

What if I do?

Much time I have.

1:02:17

That's why you make a plan and do.

It yes, that's I like the I need to plan.

Make a plan and do it.

What other marriage advice do you have for 44 years?

Because I'm sorry you got married in your 20s after meeting on spring.

Break and you have.

Four kids that clearly you've raised right, they're all married, they're off in cool cities.

1:02:36

Gosh.

Oh, my husband's about ready to retire too.

I don't.

Know oh man and then we.

Know and then what marriage advice?

I think you want to create a a marriage and a partnership where you can both go and pursue the things you love.

1:02:54

I don't love everything that he does, but I know it's important to him.

So sometimes I go and do it and vice versa.

Yeah.

You know, he loves to fix bacon every, all the time.

I don't love bacon, but I eat bacon because he likes it, you know, I mean, that's a simple thing.

1:03:11

I'm an avid gardener.

He is not an avid gardener, but he appreciates my gardens, and we'll go to England and look at cartoons with me because he knows it's important to me.

Yeah.

So I think you end up doing things that you.

I think it's important to do some things that you might not necessarily choose, but, you know, it's important to the person that you love.

1:03:33

So you need to go do it with them.

You really do.

Yeah, you need to.

And you need to find a couple things that you can do together.

You don't.

And you need to be totally fine, both pursuing your own interests.

Yeah.

And saying that is great.

I am so happy that you love that.

1:03:49

Go do it.

Yes.

I support you 100%.

Yeah.

So I would say that's it.

Yeah.

That's good advice.

Yeah.

And enjoy the ride.

It's nice to have a person in your life.

Yeah.

It's nice to know that somebody's going to be there for you.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

1:04:05

Gardening too.

So are you a master gardener?

I am.

Is that the highest level you can be or no?

I don't know anything about gardening.

I just know that that's even a thing.

There's a Master Gardener course through our Purdue, Purdue University.

During COVID, they offered it online and so I did it and so we did it it to be a master gardener.

1:04:26

The course is like a really great lecture course.

What I loved about doing it online was we got a different speaker every week who was like a doctor of etymology or that knew everything about propagation or that knew about that studied soil structure.

1:04:45

It is a very textbook science based class that explains a lot to you and gives you a great big manual and the tools to be able to find the answer.

Not that you're going to remember everything that you learned in these lectures by any means.

And then you take a test, but then you have to do 50 hours of community service work somewhere in the community and that counts.

1:05:08

That is approved.

And I was lucky enough to do it both at the blind school at right by me at 75th and they had a greenhouse program and I got to work there during COVID without kids.

So managing the plans and learning from that person.

1:05:25

And also we have a program at Holiday Park called Garden and Grow and it is a Master gardener program and it counts for volunteer hours.

That is so.

Cool.

And we through that program, we have a horticulturist that's with us every week on.

1:05:40

Horticulturist.

Yes, that's somebody that really knows their stuff.

The word right there.

Horticulturist who has gone to four years of college and studied horticulture.

But Chris Turner and Kelly Frank are both horticulturists and they run our Master Gardener program on Fridays, so you can turn up any Friday from 9:00 until 11.

1:06:02

And we take care of all of the gardens at Holiday Park and then once a month there is a lecture which you can count for your education to keep up your Master Gardener's certification.

Wow.

So in the lecture's 30 minutes and you might learn how to prune a tree or how to divide irises or how or we might bring in a speaker so or the best tools for certain things.

1:06:30

We had a master gardener come in and do his top ten favorite tools.

Oh, that's fun.

That probably cost you some money.

It was fabulous and he had all the websites and he said this is what it is and this is how I organize my bucket.

It was it was great.

It was great.

1:06:46

So if you're even interested in gardening a little bit and you have a few hours once a month.

I don't go every week, but I go a lot in the spring and a little bit more in the fall.

But I've gone in the summer.

I'm working on my own garden in the summer.

It's a great program to meet people who like gardening, and you can learn a lot because the everybody's there and you can ask any question that you want to know about.

1:07:10

Yeah.

And somebody probably has an answer.

And the park benefits.

We have some beautiful gardens at the ruins.

We will have more gardens at the playground.

We also take care of the front of the pergola at the Nature Center.

We do all kinds of things, the rock garden in the back of the park.

1:07:27

So there's so there's a lot of work that needs to be done.

And of course, you know, city budgets are short and those kind of things are not going to happen through Indy parks.

They're just, they just can't.

So we really rely on volunteers to help us take care of all those things.

1:07:44

Yeah, wow.

I feel like there's such a subculture of like gardening, like you could just go, people do like go all in on that and that's so cool.

I have live plants in my house now.

That's a big win for me.

I know I don't even like the plants in the house.

I only like them.

I try and I keep them alive in the winter so that they can go outside in the.

1:08:02

Summer.

Yeah, that's fair.

It's about it.

But yeah, ever since COVID, I kind of found that I was home more and so I could pay more attention.

Yeah.

Then I realized there's plants you don't have to pay attention to.

Not that was ideal.

So I have some that are still living and some I've killed, but most of them are alive, which is great.

1:08:19

It's a big win, so it.

Is a big win.

So I guess use this time to tell me about Holiday Park and the areas of the park or just like the aspects.

I mean, I know we can't talk all about all the programs and events and like all that, like the ice skating rink, there's so many things.

1:08:36

But if you had to, I don't know, maybe just tell people, especially people who are local, about what Holiday Park is, why they should come to the park.

A little bit of that because I'm sure I'm going to learn something new, that's for sure.

Well, Holiday Park is a 95 acre park.

1:08:55

It's 95 acres.

It's 95 acres, OK, And it is unique in that it has the White River at the bottom, which is really beautiful.

And it has open space.

It has playgrounds.

It has a Nature Center.

1:09:10

It has an outdoor pavilion area that you can rent for parties.

It has the ruins, which is a very unusual feature that turned up in Holiday Park in the 50s.

It was the facade of a skyscraper in New York that they were going to tear down.

1:09:30

And they had a contest.

And they said whoever can think of a good idea to do what to do with this facade can have it.

And a man named Elmer Tafflinger put together a plan of kind of what I would call installation art.

1:09:48

And he won the contest.

And so the ruins, the the structure of the skyscraper, the pillars and the races of mankind which are on top, there are three statues which are actually done by the same sculpturist as our soldier sailors.

1:10:05

Monument.

No, that's Karl.

Karl Bitter.

So this whole thing came home.

And then Elmer spent the next almost 20 years creating his vision.

He had pools, he had reflecting ponds.

1:10:22

He had, he started around the Bicentennial planting trees, 50 trees for 50 states He had.

He had all kinds of things going on.

Finally in 76, Dick Luter, around 73, Dick Luter said you need to be done.

1:10:39

We're going to dedicate this.

But he kept, he kept working on it.

I mean, there are so many architectural pieces from so many different areas here in town.

There's a fountain that's from Fountain Square.

There are altar stones from churches, there are headless ladies from the courtyards.

1:10:56

There are columns from different places.

It really is a fascinating piece of installation art right there in the center of Holiday Park.

I just figured it was, you know, this sounds so dumb when I say it out loud, but like, I just figured I don't know, something was there and then it wasn't and it was just kind of leftovers.

1:11:13

I mean, I've never really spent a lot of time there, so I just didn't I.

So we renovated it.

We revitalized it.

OK, It fell apart in the 90s, sat behind a chain link fence for a decade or more because it was no longer safe and the pools were leaking several thousands of gallons a day.

1:11:35

And so it just sat there, and it looked really terrible.

And it looked like nobody cared about it and nobody did.

And it made people not want to use the front third of the park.

So we decided we were called the Friends of Holiday Park.

1:11:51

We are now called the Holiday Park Foundation.

But at that time they thought, you know what?

We're just, we, we've got to do something.

So we started working with a very talented architect and he redesigned the ruins so that people could interact with it up close and personal.

1:12:09

And then we raised for two projects, the ruins and we redid our our habitat hall, our exhibit hall inside the Nature Center.

We raised $3.2 million.

And then we reopened the ruins at Holiday Park.

1:12:25

And now it is this lovely place.

It's opened up the front third of the park.

People get there, pictures taken there, people get married there.

It's a really special place.

It's just nice to sit on the benches.

We have gardens there.

It's really a a fabulous, fabulous spot.

1:12:42

And now people, of course, who are local would know rock the ruins, the concerts that.

Concert series are there yes, people enjoy the summer concerts.

So we, I think we have 10 or 12 planned again for this summer and, and they've been very, very, people love going, just love it, just love it.

1:13:03

Yeah.

So 90. 5 acres.

I still can't believe how big it is.

I need to look at a map.

Of it, there are three about 3 1/2 miles of trails within the park.

There's we also have a nice little Prairie section which is very lovely.

We put in a new trail couple of years ago, Trail 9, which is beautiful.

1:13:21

The Holiday Park Foundation renovates or maintains, you know, several trails every winter, trying to work on our trails to make sure that people can enjoy them and that they're, they're good.

There's which is a constant, of course, you're always working on that.

1:13:38

You're always and a lot, in fact, a lot of your trail run dollars go to that.

There's a lot of great programming.

Our fabulous Nature Center, of course, is a great place to visit as well.

Yeah.

So you know, we're kind of the full package.

Oh, and then we've redone the bat, what I like to call the backyard of the Nature Center has all native gardens now.

1:13:58

And we've been, we're very lucky.

We have the Susan by outdoor classroom, which is a beautiful structure that has a fire pit and table, a giant table and you can hang out there.

We will finish the trail run in the Susan and have our post race food in the Susan by.

1:14:16

Outdoor.

OK, totally.

I can picture that now, yeah.

It's great.

And those limestone, I mean, the backyard is just fabulous and there's a lot of good signage and there's a pond there so that when the staff wants to do some programming with some younger children that might not be able to get too far out into the trails, Yeah, they can talk about any number of things right there in the backyard of the nature.

1:14:39

So, yeah.

Yeah.

So it's really great.

Yeah, our my, my first grader, She had a field trip there this year.

It was the first time that her school had ever come.

And it was.

It's great.

That's great, yeah.

And so we've so.

Many school programs.

On that huge playground which now.

1:14:55

Is going, which is now behind a chain link fence.

Because you're going.

To redo it because we are at the tail end of a $6 million Playground campaign to start over, reimagine that space and build something new and fabulous.

1:15:13

It's a nature inspired playground.

We have a great opportunity.

I mean, not very many playgrounds get to sit in a beautiful park, natural setting like Holiday Park, Yeah.

So we really wanted to take advantage of our natural setting and do something unique that nobody else is doing.

1:15:31

There are we have lots of great playgrounds both in Carmel and in Indianapolis, but this one will be nature themed wood, rope, log, boulder, animal inspired play features.

It it's really going to be it's it's going to be a top destination for our community.

1:15:51

Everybody's going.

To want to.

I can't.

I can't wait.

It's going to be great.

So the playground has been demolished and they are working on groundwork right now.

And we will build through the summer and it will be challenging not to have our beloved playground this summer.

1:16:06

But I'm going to tell you, this playground is going to be worth the wait.

So we hope to welcome families back in the fall, in September or October, and reopen again.

And watch, this will be the third generation of kids to start making memories at Holiday Park.

1:16:24

This is our third playground.

Wow.

Yeah, that the playground that just was, was also really great.

It was a great playground.

Yeah.

You know, playgrounds last, which I didn't know about, anywhere from 13 to 15 years.

OK.

Our playground that we just took down is 18 years old.

1:16:41

No.

So we've gotten.

Yeah, it was put in 2006, 2007.

So we are.

Yeah, we are.

Well, we are overdue.

Yeah, we are overdue.

We got to the point where you couldn't just repair, you needed to replace it and it started to not make sense.

1:16:59

So this is a private campaign.

Indie parks, we hope will contribute as well.

And then we'll give this playground back to the city.

And in our $6 million campaign is $1,000,000 in our endowment to maintain it in the future, OK, to help with maintenance, which is very important.

1:17:18

That, yeah.

All projects that the Holiday Park Foundation takes on always includes money for the endowment because you can build a lot of things, but unless you can take care of it, yeah, what's you honestly shouldn't?

You shouldn't do it because Indy Park's budget just isn't big enough to maintain the 220 parks that they have.

1:17:41

So that's where the Holiday Park Foundation fills the gaps and that's where money from the trail run, which actually over the last 2425 years is over 3/4 of $1,000,000 we've raised through the Holiday Park Trail Run.

1:17:58

It raises anywhere.

And in the beginning days we were excited.

I thought said the first year we did it, can we raise $10,000?

If we can't raise $10,000, this event is not worth doing.

And we had a few finance guys on our board and I said, OK, you make the model, Tell me what my expenses need to be, how much sponsorship we need to raise in order to raise $10,000.

1:18:23

And they gave me a good, better and best.

Well, I'm happy to report we definitely raised 10.

We raised $14,000 our first year and we were over the moon today.

The trail run averages between 40 and $50,000 each year.

So, so it's really great because we've created an event that sponsors want to be a part of and really it's about sponsorship.

1:18:49

The runners come and they pay for the expenses with their entry fees, but the sponsors and anything extra that people buy a T-shirt and things like that.

And part of, of course, part of your entry fee does go back.

Absolutely.

1:19:05

But all together, that's what makes a difference.

It really does.

So to raise 40 to $50,000 on a one day event, it's just and created a community event that so many people have fun at.

You can bring your family, you can bring your kids.

1:19:21

It's it's a great, it's a win, win for everybody.

Win.

It's a win, win for everybody so.

Everybody who's local, who's listening is going to sign up now.

You know, yeah, everybody that's local, you've got to sign up.

And here's the deal.

You want to sign up before March 1st because we have early bird pricing right now.

1:19:40

OK, yes.

So the price is $30.00 right now for the three and the five mile.

So you can walk a three mile course.

If you're not a runner, that's fine.

We'd love for you to come out and hike the course.

You can run the five mile course.

There is a time limit.

1:19:56

We want you to be able to finish in just over an hour.

So if you're you know, you can still run, walk, it's you know, and and still do it and then.

O that is $30.00 right now until March 1st.

The price will go U to $35 in March and then day off will be $40.

1:20:13

You can buy a tshirt in addition and then also you can come on Friday night and bring your family and do the one mile kids race is $20.00 for kids and it's really geared for anybody.

And we have some parents that trot along with their kids.

1:20:28

OK, we do, we do because you know, you've got, you could have a 575 to seven-year old that could run, walk one mile and it's a great goal.

So we want them to do it.

And we have kids up to 12 years old that run in the one mile race.

We have kids that are younger than that that actually tackle the five mile race and run with their parents too.

1:20:49

So it's we've got something for and then we have those cute little tot trotters and that event is free.

So your younger kids get to come, they run around around cones or around a little trail, come back, everybody gets a participation award.

It's really great fun and honestly, it's the cutest thing ever.

1:21:08

They're just so excited.

I love it so much.

So it's a great, it's a great community event and we hope everybody will come out and do it.

What are the dates again for this?

Year so the dates are March 14th for the Friday night for the families and then Saturday morning, March 15th race starts at 9:00.

1:21:29

So you want to get there and get organized.

Come by you can pre register.

You can come and pick up your number and your bib early on Friday afternoon starting from 4:30 to 6:30.

If you I mean, if you're coming with your family anyhow, your kids can run in the race that night.

1:21:45

You can as an adult can pick up your number and then come back the next day and run the five mile course, which is fun.

Muddy stairs, hills, rocks, water.

You know we're going to show it all to you.

So it is a rugged course and everybody needs to be careful.

1:22:04

But it's always fun and everybody can have a great time.

Yeah.

I can't wait.

Yeah, OK, I'm just going to.

I'm going to be there Friday and Saturday at least.

You're going to be there by 6.

I will.

And then I'm going to put you on our board, too.

Yeah.

Even though you live in Carmel?

1:22:20

Yeah.

No.

Oh man, well I can't believe it's time for end of the podcast questions.

Well, what are and the?

What are the end of the podcast?

Questions.

The first one we've touched on a little bit.

What's your favorite running mantra and or song?

1:22:37

Do you listen to music while you run?

I do listen to music, but while I run I I listen to all kinds of things.

Sometimes when the miles are long, I even listen to books, which is kind of crazy, but I do, I do that too.

I I do.

But I will tell you from my trans Rockies trail racing days, they this is kind of a funny song that makes me laugh every time They started the race every morning with the song Highway to hell Perfect.

1:23:04

And honestly, I listen to it almost every time I run a long race and I'm like, OK, we're going to get there, but Highway to Hell seems like a good one.

That's.

Pretty good.

I know it's kind of silly, but.

And then what was the?

1:23:20

Other Yeah, then we talked about mantras earlier.

Mantras.

Yeah, it's just another mile.

Just.

Another mile.

It's just another mile.

Yeah, I like thinking about that too.

And just I can run a mile 13 times or you know, what are like, what have you got to do to tell yourself to like make it seem more manageable because it is.

1:23:37

It's just another.

Mile, yeah, and it's just running also.

And you can do it, right?

It's just right.

I can do this.

Yeah, I'm lucky.

I get to do this.

So true.

Just do it.

And then your next finish line or milestone.

1:23:52

My next finish.

Line is the trans.

Actually it is a Trans Rockies race, but it's called Moab Run the Rocks.

Oh, that's right.

Yep.

And it is in Moab, UT, March 7th, 8th and 9th, right before our trail run on the 14th, 15th.

1:24:07

So I'll be good and sore, yeah.

I can't.

Well, I can't wait to hear about it.

Yeah, and the other funny thing is I've never participated in the actual Holiday Park Trail.

I should have asked you that as well because it's your race you don't get to.

No, I'm always out on the course taking pictures and making sure the course is right in the morning and fussing with post race feud and greeting people and chatting people up.

1:24:30

And I kind of run the race with a camera and take people's pictures and they're like, wait, I just saw you a minute ago.

I said yes, but I know all the shortcuts, yeah.

You're like, wait a minute.

I just saw did.

You.

Get there.

Sometimes I get in my car and drive to a new point.

1:24:47

Yeah.

So it's fun.

And so 44 years of marriage, 50 years is coming up.

Do you guys have something like big in your mind that you're going to do to celebrate 50 years?

No, I don't know something though.

Yes, Yeah, we'll do something.

Something big.

1:25:02

No, I have not even thought.

Not even thought about it.

I have not.

That's a big milestone.

That is a big milestone.

I remember doing stuff with my husband's parents for their 50th.

They took us all on this huge Mediterranean.

There you go.

Cruise, that was pretty cool.

I don't know.

We'll have to think of something.

1:25:18

You're right.

Yeah, you're right.

We took everybody to Hawaii for my husband's 60th birthday.

That's pretty good.

We took everybody to Olympic National Park for yours, for mine, so those were our last big milestones.

OK.

So I I don't know.

1:25:34

We didn't, Yeah.

We didn't do anything for rec 60th.

I think we 65th, we think we had a wedding.

Yeah.

Right.

So that counted.

We took everybody for a wedding.

There you go.

Charlie got married.

Yeah, the weddings of your kids looked fantastic.

By the way, yes, we've had two weddings in a year.

1:25:50

I mean one last October of 23 and 1 of 24.

And were those who Which of your kids were?

Those Britt, our second daughter, oldest daughter, and Charlie, our youngest.

Yeah.

So everybody's married now.

Well, congratulations.

1:26:05

Thank you.

Well, it's great.

It's it feels good and they're all doing great things in their lives and that's all you can hope for.

Yes, they're happy and they're good and they found good people and we love all their partners and all their husbands and spouses.

1:26:22

It's been great.

I screw, right?

I am blessed.

Truly, truly blessed.

Well, Lisa, it's been so fun getting a chance to meet you.

This is Thank you so much for doing.

This really fun talking about all my favorite subjects, running, gardening, hiking, it's all good.

It's all here and then and.

1:26:38

Holiday.

Park and Holiday Park which is 2L's.

I don't know if we.

Do L yes and go to holiday park dot org.

Yep and you will find trail run or if you Google holiday park trail run it will come up.

Or you could also find it through Tuxedo Brothers websites.

1:26:54

It'll come up that way too.

Yep, and I'm going to put it in the show notes for the podcast too.

Thank you and whenever I share this, I'll.

Link it.

Thank you.

So come run and come help us take care of Holiday Park.

Yes, perfect.

Oh, thank you, Lisa, and thank you to everybody who's listened.

Yes, thank.

You happy running?

1:27:09

Thank you for inviting me today.

I really appreciate it, OK.

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We did it.

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