SPECIAL EPISODE: Relay for America with Mary Pittman and Trena Roudebush
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Guests: Mary Pittman @marytheaverageathlete and Trena Roudebush @themrsroudy
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Mary Pittman and Trena Roudebush are two previous guests who are back for a special 4th of July episode to talk about their experience running in the Relay for America — the nation's first-ever cross-country flag relay, founded by Wyatt Moss and Joe Nail, carrying a single American flag from Rodeo Beach in San Francisco to the National Mall in Washington, D.C. in honor of the country's 250th birthday.
Previous Guests Mentioned
- Mary Pittman - Episode 10
- Trena Roudebush - Episode 31
- Whitney Bevins - Episode 4
- Christi Dee - Episode 3
- Cam Balser - Episode 75
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Episode Transcript
Mary Pittman: There was that, full
harvest moon, too, The fireflies, all the people that came out. I couldn't have asked for
like a more American experience of
that
run.
Ally: Welcome to Finish Lines and Milestones, a podcast for everyday runners. I'm your host, Ally Brettnacher, and if you run, you're a runner, and every runner has a story. Join me each week as I share these stories, and we celebrate finish lines and milestones together.
Ally Brettnacher: This week, we have a special episode because I came to the lake early, moved a couple of interviews to next week, and decided to take some time with the family.
But then I saw that Mary Pittman and Trina Roudebush, both previous guests on this show, participated in the Relay for America, which if you are not familiar, it was founded by Wyatt Moss and Joe Nail. It's the first of its kind cross-country relay, and they currently are carrying the American flag from Rodeo Beach in California by San Francisco all the way to the National [00:01:00] Mall in Washington, D.C.
Go to their Instagram for details on the finish line for tomorrow, July 4th. There's over 3,000 miles they cover across 15 states nonstop, day, night. There were 250 segments assigned to 250 runners, and then people were able to join those runners over 20 days, arriving just in time to celebrate the nation's 250th birthday on July 4th in D.C.
Mary ran segment 193 through the cornfields of Indiana at golden hour with fireflies lighting up the fields around her, and Trina ran segment 187, the second Indiana segment, through small town Attica at sunrise with a group of strangers who drove from as far as Louisiana and Kentucky to be a part of it.
Hi.
Mary Pittman: Hi, good morning.
Ally Brettnacher: Thank you
for doing this.
Mary Pittman: always wake up for you, Ally.
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: Ally.
Ally Brettnacher: We're, like, texting back and forth. I'm like, well, oh my gosh, I should just ask her to jump on 'cause I wanna talk to her about it anyway, and so here
Mary Pittman: I was just, like, horizontal in bed and Noah had asked me. I was like, "Yeah, let's just do it now. It's a good idea."
Ally Brettnacher: [00:02:00] Yeah.
It's like my kids are plugged
in to their iPads at the moment, so I have this peace and quiet-
for
at least five minutes. We'll
Mary Pittman: I'm gonna be listening for a
Ally Brettnacher: Charlie will probably
Mary Pittman: we're good.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, so I,
came to the lake early. We were supposed to come Wednesday. And so I rescheduled
two of my interviews for the podcast.
And so
I was like, "Well, I'll just do a rerun or
something, which I've don- done, one time in, like- three years of doing this. And then
I was
like, you know what? I am just gonna ask Mary if she'll jump on and just record because I think it's perfect
for 4th of July,
you know, America.
Mary Pittman: Yeah.
It was like so much American pride. We
are ready
for the fourth now. Cody and I
, ran yesterday, and we're like, "This is the fourth week. We are in it."
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, I'm so sad that I couldn't make it work. It... So for people who may not know what Relay for America is, will you give the gist real quick?
Mary Pittman: Yeah, so I found it on social media. Wyatt Moss, I follow him. a few weeks ago they posted that [00:03:00] him and one of his friends were starting
this relay for America honoring veterans and for the
country's 250th.
they were carrying an American flag from San Francisco, a special place in my heart, nonstop across the country
to DC, and they're trying to get the flag to DC by the 4th of July.
so anyone could sign up for segments and there's this route across the country
going through Nevada,
Illinois. I
think they were in Iow- I don't know. but part of
it was through
Indiana and when I saw that
they were near Kokomo, I was like, I mean, that's gonna be
like an hour drive. We gotta do it.
So you sign up and then for the past two weeks we've just kind of
been like tracking, when- I think they're gonna be here on Tuesday. but yeah, it just
kind of came like
a little bit. But yeah, all of this is to unite the country
for the 250th and honor, veterans.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, it's so cool. And for anybody who's listening who's local to Indiana, Wyatt Moss is running Monumental this year
Mary Pittman: Hey.
Ally Brettnacher: See? There
you go. Well, I wanna have him for [00:04:00] our live show. So anyway, I digress. But I love him and what he's doing in general, and then this is such a cool thing. I can't imagine the logistics of planning and, like, putting this together.
Mary Pittman: Yeah. from what I've kinda gathered on social media,
the team has done an incredible job. there is a live tracker and I was like, "What is this live tracker? Is it like someone's
phone in a car?" But there's, like, an actual
device on the top of the flag.
So when they say like they're tracking the flag, it's like a live tracker on the top of the flag for
where it
is, and it's updated in
Ally Brettnacher: really cool.
Mary Pittman: Yeah, so when we were waiting for
it
to come to us, it said
like,
"It's five miles away.
It'll be there in, like, 20,
like, and it, it
was like a countdown.
And, and it was pretty accurate.
I don't know how they got this
all together in the
logistics, but as a participant it, worked really
well.
Well,
Ally Brettnacher: and I know you were kinda
like, "I don't know if, I'm gonna be in the right place." Yeah
it's in the
middle of nowhere Indiana, essentially.
Mary Pittman: It truly was. So, I [00:05:00] got an email. I applied and they said, "Okay, you got accepted." and it was, like, segment 193,
And
I saw. And they're like, "We think it's gonna be there to you, and you'll run at, like ... " I think it was 9:00 AM on Tuesday, so it was supposed to be today.
And then they've been moving at a pretty quick pace, so, on Sunday,
or maybe it was Saturday, I checked and the estimated time for my segment had switched to Monday.
at first it was like Monday at like midnight, and then it was Monday at like 10:00 PM. so we just kept tracking it 'cause we also have our two little kiddos, and we were like, "We
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: need
you to
Mary Pittman: we need someone to watch So we kinda had a, my
in-laws,
like on standby, and they were actually at the lake so they came, they had to come back
anyway, and the timing worked out great.
so we got an email saying like, "Okay, we're gonna- you're gonna meet at this place," and they had a, a link of
like,
"Click Google Maps. It will take you to the starting point." And it was truly just a corner in
the [00:06:00] corn fields.
And
I really didn't wanna miss it, so we got there like two hours ahead of time, saw another car parked there, and we're like, "I guess this is it."
Then
we found a gas station to, like, eat, go to the bathroom. and then when we got back there were a
ton of cars. and then
the people who
were running the segment before, all of their kind of support
people
were parking
too.
So, like, this whole teeny, tiny, like, one-lane street
was filled with cars.
and then the support crew came like maybe 10, 15 minutes beforehand. all the people that you see on Instagram, and they kinda
gave
Ally Brettnacher: Oh, that's smart ... Yeah. Okay ...
Mary Pittman: go here. Here's your pace.
Tryna, like, logistically stay here. you're gonna have
a,
sheriff, kind of car in
Ally Brettnacher: Oh, like an escort?
Mary Pittman: An escort. An escort.
Thank you-
Ally Brettnacher: That's cool. Yeah.
Mary Pittman: so yeah. So we
kind of
just coordinated ourselves. There were, like, 10 of us in our segment. It looked like the group
before had about 30
people in theirs.
but yeah, one of the,
guys, He, [00:07:00] like, lived down the street, and
he was an Army veteran, so we kind of
volun- Like,
we're like, "Okay, you're gonna get the flag." so he,
Nick, took it, and his dad I think was the
I don't know if he was the sheriff escorting, but he was part of, so
we're like, "This is your home."
Like, his whole family was there. but yeah, it was so fun. you kind of became,
like, this little team
of segment
193.
one of the guys when we were chatting with him, he was,
like, the first one
to kind of get out of his car and start talking with everyone, Matt.
and Cody and I obviously wore our Average Athlete shirts, one, 'cause they were white, and it
was so freaking hot.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Mary Pittman: but we were.
yeah. but he goes, "Oh," like, "I've got an
Average Athlete shirt." We were like, "What?
No
No way." So such a- small world. Yeah. I know.
Ally Brettnacher: so cool, Mary.
Mary Pittman: It was fun 'cause he w- he was telling us, like, "I've been following them since they started."
I was
like, "We're the them."
And he's like, "You do look familiar."
Ally Brettnacher: Oh,
that is so sp- that is really freaking cool. That had
Mary Pittman: w- It was, [00:08:00] Yeah. yeah, girl.
Ally Brettnacher: so what was
the road? Was it, so it was a two-lane, like was it a, even a highway in No. No. It was like country roads
Mary Pittman: lined by corn fields.
and
so when they passed the flag off,
our carrier took it, and it, it's kind of like you got everyone
coming in,
they're cheering like, "USA,"
and then you just go. Like, when they say the flag doesn't
stop, it does
not stop.
You
just were like, "Oh, I gotta get in here.
I gotta
go." and so Cody, he was driving, and he was just gonna, like, track and then hop
in when I needed 'cause,
they had emailed saying like, "Hey, we kinda gotta keep a pace to
get to DC on time."
so they said, "If... We need you guys to hold, like, a 9:30, 10-minute pace for the 12 miles," which for
me is very, very fast. so I know. And it
was so
hot. So, at mile... Or I guess when we took it, everyone was just excited, especially, like, the people carrying the flags and the guys in the front.
So [00:09:00] they- like
fly out, which I don't blame them.
Like, it
was cool,
But then I'm looking at my watch, I was like, "Guys, we're going like
seven-minute mile.
I need you to slow down."
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Like we
got-- I gotta survive this. Yeah ...
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: yeah,
yeah,
Mary Pittman: no, like, I literally yelled at them. I was like, "You need to go to 9:30 10:00. Like if not, none of
us,
Ally Brettnacher: gonna
Mary Pittman: of us
Ally Brettnacher: guys ... Right. Oh,
Mary Pittman: was like, "I think you're gonna
lose." Like,
maybe one or two of us could do it, but, like, not the rest of this crew."
yeah.
So we, we kind of settled into, a 9:30,
10:00 pace. and I had... the,
4th of July
fireworks
album playing on
my Spotify,
so we were listening to that. we kind of were like coordinated internally.
There wasn't like rules on like who got to hold the flag
and stuff. so yeah, we're-- I had a playlist kind of
cruising.
People would just kind of grab the flag when they wanted.
or like people
would offer it, too.
but we were just on this like
cornfield road
and there were windmill, like the wind
turbine things around. I was like, "I am in heartland
of America right now. Yeah. I'm actually [00:10:00] wearing the Hustle in
the Heartland shirt, and I was like,
"Yeah, that feels right."
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: right."
Mary Pittman: like
there, like
the,
the houses and like random intersections that
didn't have houses, people were coming out from the town and spraying with like water guns
and chanting USA, and they had flags.
some people would just kind of hop in and be like, "Hey, can I run with you guys for a
minute?" so
it
was- Awesome ... so, so cool. I didn't realize how many
people,
who weren't running it but were from the local town, many of them said like, "We don't know anything about running,"
but, they w- they were there and they were like, "This
is just so cool to watch." so that was probably my favorite part, was just running through all the towns and the cars that passed you were honking.
and I told them, I was like, "If anybody
sees the minivan up there, do
you mind if I hold the flag at that point? 'Cause that's Cody
and I
want to get a picture."
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: a picture.
Mary Pittman: Yeah. so someone, someone was like, "We see the
minivan." I was like, "You guys are great. Thank you."
Ally Brettnacher: That's so cute. Yeah.
I was wondering about that. And[00:11:00]
how heavy was the, f- like how, what did it feel like to hold it?
Mary Pittman: Oh, that's a good question. Not very- It kind of was like the same
weight as my like hand water bottle that I had. Um- '
Ally Brettnacher: Cause It didn't have, it has a huge post
Mary Pittman: It's a wooden post. It wasn't very heavy
though. Yeah. The
awkward part was it was long. so I feel like, I looked at the, picture. I was like,
"Ooh, I
looked pretty awkward holding that."
Ally Brettnacher: Oh, I thought you looked like a badass
actually,
Mary Pittman: thanks. I tried.
but I think for a lot of it,
I like just had it resting on my shoulder, like the top part- so that you can kind of run with it.
but, I grabbed it for a little
bit. I think I ran for it for a mile or two. And they also had a secondary flag. that wasn't like the official flag. I don't know where
this one came in. but
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, who knows?
Mary Pittman: Yeah. But it was nice 'cause then you had like a
flag in the front and a flag in the back, so you
could just kind of
hop in. And it was, it also, it didn't have a tracker on it,
but it was just the same
like, wooden flag.
so- yeah, it wasn't very heavy
Ally Brettnacher: That's surprising.
Okay, and [00:12:00] so- there were 10 of you-ish. What was- like, what, who were those people? Did you... And,
like you showed me on the s- the
website you could see the names of people, but obviously you didn't know any- of those names. Like- did you communicate with anybody before,
like try to track
anyone down on Instagram or anything like that?
Mary Pittman: I looked people up and I,
didn't know them and I didn't really find them. and they had-- I, I couldn't really figure out a way online to like message
people beforehand in the portal.
So yeah, no, we just showed up and it was kind of like, "Oh, your car parked here, dressed in running gear.
You must be part of this." and they asked us to get there at least like 45 minutes beforehand, so we had time. people were chatting. A lot of people
from Indiana,
like someone's from Z- Zionsville,
Fishers, a couple people, like, literally who lived down the road
and were like, "Oh,
we saw this was coming through, and we came."
Michigan,
people drove from. there was a young 16-year-old cross country, boy who drove four hours from Ohio to come with his [00:13:00] mom.
Ally Brettnacher: so cool ...
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: he
Mary Pittman: Yeah, so people kinda traveled for it, which was fun. and my buddy Chris,
the average athlete who I featured recently, he's a veteran, and I
didn't realize until I wrote his spotlight,
he's driving from Michigan and he's gonna do the Ohio one, I think today.
so, so we sent him a message. We're like, "Flags On the way, Chris." So that was kinda cool to be
like- "Oh, like we're all holding the same flag."
so that, that was kind of a cool feeling, and I think now like seeing
the stuff on social media, like their updates,
it's like,
oh. Yeah. Like it just- it-- Yeah, yeah.
I was
like, "I held that flag. That feels cool."
Ally Brettnacher: It is really freaking cool. Yeah, that is- so amazing. Yeah. I know
I told you this
morning while we were texting that there were a couple other people I saw that did it that I didn't know were doing it.
And one, her name is, Lisa Keedy, Do you know Lisa? Have you met her?
Mary Pittman: I don't think I've met Lisa yet
Ally Brettnacher: she is Indie Mother Runner on
Mary Pittman: Oh, yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So I'm sure you've
interacted- with her on the internet. I don't know- ... which segment she was.
And then [00:14:00] my friend, Whitney Bevans, who was episode, like, three of this podcast
or four,
somewhere very early, she had a cross country runner that was doing one of the segments too, and I don't know which one. So when you said cross country, I was like, "Was it the same..." But she was a girl, so- I don't know which, which segments.
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: Go ahead.
Well, you sent me the
Mary Pittman: Yeah. Actually, well you sent me the picture of her this morning and I saw
her. So hers was the segment that
passed off to mine, 'cause I saw her as I was leaving. And then Cody said he saw
Cameron Balzer
' so he I guess was in the segment too, and he, I was like, "Did you talk to him?"
He's like, "I mean, he kept running for a
little bit, but
you know, we cheered him on." but yeah. I didn't see him,
but Cody, Cody was
able to. So it's kinda
fun- to, like- make those connections.
Ally Brettnacher: Right. Well, and Cameron, for people who don't know, he ran the perimeter of the United States, which is just, like,
mind-boggling, and he was trai-
he's training. I think he's currently training still for his, he wants
to have the fastest known
time, FKT, for running across the United States. And so I don't know if that's still on. I don't know the status of it, but he's been training for that. And then I'm [00:15:00] surprised he didn't just run across the state of Indiana for, for
Mary Pittman: I know
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Ally Brettnacher: with the flag.
Mary Pittman: It was pretty
hot.
Ally Brettnacher: that.
Mary Pittman: He is
doing a- f- um,
a run in August, and I think, it's to
help support his, um, FKT
effort across
the- United
States. So I'm gonna add it to the rundown, but I know Cam
is doing a run
in August for that.
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. I'll add it here hopefully too then.
Mary Pittman: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That'd be cool. but yeah, it was, it was so hot.
That was the biggest challenge, I think, for
me.
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: Well,
Ally Brettnacher: so was there talk about how they're feeling about getting to DC? Because the heat is not a joke. Like, it is- very, very serious and warm. And so
I hope that
they know that, yes, it's cool to get there by July 4th, I
hope they can do it without- Yeah.
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: No.
Mary Pittman: so they're 15 hours
ahead of schedule right
now-
Ally Brettnacher: Okay, that's good ...
Mary Pittman: is what they said. But I, I will say, and they prepped with a lot of
communication beforehand. They're like, "You guys are, like,
we cannot provide
[00:16:00] transportation. Like, if you can't keep up with the pace, we can't really give
you a ride anywhere."
And that was true. so they recommended and said, "Hey, like you should have, someone there to like drop you off, pick you up. Like you
have to bring your own food, fuel, and like-" in and
out." so Cody and I, like, I, I called him from the road at mile four.
I was like, "I need you to be at an intersection soon to switch off because I am so hot." Like Christy D. had sent, my coach has, had sent an email like a
week or two ago just like, "Hey, things to be careful about in the heat."
and I could like feel like tingles going up, and I was like, "I'm- too hot," no matter how much, electrolytes or fuel I was putting down. just like sun was right in our
faces, and
it was like 100 degrees
and we're- going really fast for me. so we switched. Cody and
I, like, we would just kind of track each other every two miles. we'd
pop up and then [00:17:00] either if we felt good, keep going. If not, like we'd switch out and someone would
have air conditioning.
We brought a Ziploc of ice. so if anyone in the future is
doing that, have like a Ziploc of ice and then a bunch
of towels,
and then just keep the towels
in there so that when you're done you could, like, put it on your neck or something. that was
kind of a game changer.
but there was someone
who we met, from Zionsville,
and
he,
he kinda came on his own. He's like, "I didn't wanna miss this," which I didn't blame him. but he was like, "I'm really hurting in the heat." And that's where kinda like getting to know your group was really nice because he's like, "I need a break."
So we're like, "All right, hop in our car. I'm driving two miles."
but then at the very end, I kinda was like
keeping an eye- We were keeping an eye on each other and I looked back and it was dark at
that point.
Um- and I was like, "Wait, where did he go?"
And someone's like, "Oh, he's behind the, like,
pace car, the tracker car."
And I was like, "Oh, no." So I
went back and had a headlamp and [00:18:00] things and called Cody. I was like, "We gotta
find a new spot." So yeah, they care obviously about the runners, but if you're going out, like you're going out on your own.
so you have to be like- safe and prepared on your own, they're a small team and they can't look out for these hundreds of runners
Ally Brettnacher: That would be a whole nother event doing
Mary Pittman: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, logistically trying to get somebody back to their car and,
you know, that's another
reason why I couldn't make it happen
because I
was like, well, even if I could leave- it's just me. I don't know, like I would have to run, park like at the end of the segment and
just run back as far as I
could and catch, you know. because there was no way I could do
the segment from start to finish without an extra set of
hands to drive a car.
I
mean, my car can drive itself
technically, but you know.
Mary Pittman: I'll be cool
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: That would be
Ally Brettnacher: Can you imagine? "Okay, Tesla, just go to this point
now.
Mary Pittman: Just there
weren't many other cars around, so it may have probably would've made it.
Ally Brettnacher: I mean,
coulda. I don't know. But yeah-
so
when you got your
segment too- kinda logistical side,
you could
see the [00:19:00] distance of your segment, right?
Mary Pittman: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: Did you look, was there elevation or
anything?
Mary Pittman: No, it was flat. They told you
it- but, there
Ally Brettnacher: Sorry, that's
what I meant. I mean, in Indiana it's just
like obviously it's
gonna be flat. But can you imagine being out west and like signing up
for a segment? It's, they're, they've gotta be like insane.
Mary Pittman: Yeah, no. they were-- some of the crew members were telling us that they're, like, going through mountains. They were like, "It was just us at some point," and it was so steep they were, like, just trading on and off of
who was-
Ally Brettnacher: Y- I bet.
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Mary Pittman: But yeah- you could see everything beforehand.
even they had, a link and they said, "Google Map to your segment."
So you could click on
that- and see where
you were going exactly.
yeah, no, like, I think we had all the information we needed,
going into it. It was like we knew the
meeting spot, we knew the ending spot, we knew the route, we knew the
time we were supposed, generally the time we were gonna meet, how far we were going.
They said they were pretty clear, like, this is the pace we're gonna
keep at.
go as far as you can or
figure it out."
And [00:20:00]
Ally Brettnacher: And There
you then it was just kind of like, "Well,
Mary Pittman: let's kinda trust that this is
gonna happen, and then we just showed up and it did. So
it worked great. They did a great job.
Ally Brettnacher: And what about-- So it
started and it wasn't dark, and then it got dark. So how- was it running with the suns- I mean, in the middle of America in with the sunset, like talk about that feeling.
Mary Pittman: It was
definitely like golden hour.
and then there was a time, there were a couple times, but like all the fireflies were out,
and they were right over all the corn fields.
I was like, "Oh, I feel so cheesy thinking this." I was like, but
this is like so cool. They're like little fireworks
everywhere over- the farmlands. and there was a time when I was driving trying to meet
up with Cody,
another car just parked behind me. It was a pickup truck, and it was this farmer. And I was like, "Oh," like, "are we in your way?" He's like, "No,
I'm here to look for the runners." And so we started chatting with him,
and he was like, "Yep, nope, I don't run, but this is my farm, and I just
think what you guys are doing is really [00:21:00] cool." and so it
was like all of these people and places
that I
Like I know we've driven
probably past that a gazillion
times on our way north- we're going.
to like stop in those towns and like have conversations
with people, it was really cool. And
yeah, it was beautiful. Definitely we got, I think we got luckiest
of the day on
timing
for the segment,
'cause it was right at sunset. It was gorgeous. And then when the,
sun went down, then it got
nice and cool.
so it was nice. It was
gorgeous. Yeah. I wish I
wasn't like
so tired.
I like knew I needed to take pictures, and I like did my best, but-
Ally Brettnacher: You did
Mary Pittman: like I I couldn't capture how gorgeous it was.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. No,
you did a great job. I mean, I'm surprised even s-
I'm just thinking about even just for my upcoming 4th of July race, I'm like, I'm not gonna capture any content during the race probably, because it's gonna be so hot.
I'm gonna be fighting for my life 'cause I
want an age group award.
Mary Pittman: Yeah.
Get it girl.
Ally Brettnacher: I
know. I'm gonna-- We'll [00:22:00] see.
I don't know. It's gonna be insane. But yeah, I,
I-- Thinking about how the cheesiness
of it all though, like I, I get emotional with the fireworks on the 4th of July.
Like
Mary Pittman: I got emotional when
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: I-
got emotional. we
Mary Pittman: had the flag and
were cruising, and like these little kids were cheering USA, I was like, "Yes, USA." Like, it it
was cool. And Cody, had said, I kinda was like, "We're doing
this. I'm excited. We're gonna do it," and sport and was like, "Sure, we're gonna do it." And
he he said, he was like, "That was the coolest
running thing I have ever done in my life." and we, I mean, we finished
running at,
like 11:00 PM, which was also just very strange for me 'cause then I was wired
for- I could not sleep afterwards.
but we were driving home and it was like an hour drive home, and he was like, "That was really cool." I was like, " that was." And it's hard to explain
it, but just, the, like, group of
people that we did not know kinda
running together, the beauty of where we were on this, like,
[00:23:00] gorgeous night.
There was that, full
harvest moon, too, so- orange,
Yeah. The fireflies, just
all the people that came out. It, it was like,
I don't know. I couldn't have asked for
like a more American like patriotic
experience of
that
run.
Ally Brettnacher: I mean, it's just
like what you're describing. You're
like, "Yes, America."
Mary Pittman: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: So
cool. Oh my gosh. I'm so glad you got to do it. and I am so jealous because I
really- wish I could have done it. But I love seeing everything on the internet, all the pictures and videos and... on
the run. All right, so
I know we're on borrowed time 'cause there's kids everywhere. so
I don't even know what my question is, Mary, but I thank you for doing this on three hours of sleep, and I hope you have the best- 4th of July. What are you guys doing for the 4th?
Mary Pittman: We're going to the lake. Us and,
like,
40 of the family members. We'll be in Culver, Indiana. yeah,
same as you.
But yeah, no, it
was, it was, like, the coolest...
I'm so glad that I saw
this on social [00:24:00] media and that
this group
of people
put something together that
almost, like, seems like a crazy, impossible idea, and
they did it.
And
I'm sure it,
behind the scenes it wasn't perfect.
But, like,
I think that was the coolest part of, like, the running community,
but even just, like, a country was
like, "We're gonna make it happen."
And, it was
amazing to think that, the flag that started in San Francisco is
gonna, reach DC and pass through all these different hands and towns, and to, like, have a small part of that feels pretty cool.
but then just,
a- again, I think how- I do wish the kids had gotten
to see it.
that's
probably- one thing for...
I, I
don't know if there will be a next time,
but, like, to see so many people, I
will say the one thing that kept stu-
sticking up in my mind, I don't know if I was just
being sensitive about it, but for my
group, I was the
only woman
running for most of it. Um- So
we had a few people who [00:25:00] like would hop
in and out occasionally, but I felt like a
responsibility for part of it.
I was like, " I'm gonna be... Like, a lady has got to be in this group. and we have got to be part of this." So
I was probably overthinking
it, but, I felt a little bit of the
American lady weight on my shoulders.
I was like,
"I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna be part of it, and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna let us down."
but no, it wa- it was
cool. It just felt like their mission is to honor veterans and I think,
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: like, unify the country, and I think
Mary Pittman: they're, doing a good job
of that. Yeah.
And so yeah, I'm really happy I had
a
a small
part in it. I'm excited to look and
keep track of things.
We were able to meet, some of the film
team crew
members- um, who were really nice, and, kind of exchange information
with them too. So we let them know
they're doing an amazing job, as well, 'cause I sometimes think
they're the unsung heroes The crew does a 1:00 AM to 1:00 PM shift, and they've got d- couple different crews, and so
they are just taking amazing footage.
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: [00:26:00] Wow.
Mary Pittman: so yeah, it
was, it was a really cool experience. I know I kept texting
you. I was like, "Ally, here's the new time. Ally, you should come." Ally..."
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: I, I'm
Ally Brettnacher: so
thankful for that because I really wanted to figure out how
the heck- I could make it work, but yeah.
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: Uh,
was,
Mary Pittman: I'm
sorry it w- it didn't
work out. But, I was
like, "Oh, if there's someone who would love
this, Ally's gotta be a part of
this for sure."
Ally Brettnacher: Now, will you do a 4th of July race or was that your 4th of July? I
mean, I
guess
you can't really top that, but do you do one at the lake ever?
Mary Pittman: They don't have one at the lake.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh
Mary Pittman: but it is my long run day, and I have, peer pressured my brother-in-law and my husband into doing, a
lake
lap.
So one loop around the lake is 10 miles.
So I was like, "We're
doing it for the 4th of July." So, um-
yeah.
And I could thank
Christi D. I did tell her, I was like, "The house is gonna have about 40 people in it, so if you wanna put some
long runs on for the weekend, like I would not be opposed to that."
Um- and she came through. So thank you, Christi.
Ally Brettnacher: Oh. Well, enjoy. Thank you so
much for doing this. [00:27:00] I'm
gonna let you go
be a mom now, and I'm gonna unplug my
children as well and maybe go to- small town Indiana breakfast, which is one of my favorite
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: things.
Aww.
Mary Pittman: have fun. Tell the girls I say hi, and happy Fourth.
Ally Brettnacher: Yay, happy Fourth.
riverside_mary_& ally_finish_lines & mile: All right.
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here. Okay. Hello, Trina. Happy July.
Thank you for doing this with me.
Trena Roudebush: Of
Of course. Oh my gosh. It feels 100% like July
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, it absolutely does. Did you actually run 10 miles this morning with New Shoe Day Yeah.
Trena Roudebush: 10 miles. Three there, six and a half of them. Yep.
Ally Brettnacher: Wow. Okay. Well, I had no idea you were doing Relay for America. How did you find out about it?
Trena Roudebush: it? honestly
can't
remember. So this is one of those crazy things like it sounds great, I say yes, and then okay, it's all gonna happen and we're gonna do this thing. No
idea who I was gonna show up and meet and where I was gonna be and yeah, just say yes to things.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Very, very Trina. Did B- was Bob your crew?
Trena Roudebush: No. No, no. He, uh, he wished me luck and sent me on my way
Ally Brettnacher: Okay, so how did you... Did you just went by yourself?
Trena Roudebush: Yeah. So it ran like south of Lafayette, north of Indy. You could put in where you were, and it assigned you a location within a three-hour drive. So I [00:29:00] was originally assigned the middle of Illinois, and I "I don't know that I wanna do this." one thing that they were very clear about was you have a start and an end point, but there is no transportation.
So when you get, you know, 12 miles to your end point, like you gotta figure out how to get back to your car. And so I looked at other legs where they needed folks, and there was one about an hour and a half from Indy, and I was like, "Okay, I can do that." And then like a week or so before the run, I looked at other folks that were doing the leg.
There was another woman from Indy. I reached out to her and I was like, "If I leave a car at the finish stop, can you like pick me up, take me to the start? I'll take you back to the start," like all of this juggling. And she said, "Even better, my husband's driving me up. He'll meet us at the finish. Do you wanna ride with us?"
So another like just say yes leap of faith. Got in a car with a woman and a guy, and I am here, proof of life. We are,
Ally Brettnacher: That's amazing. Who's the, who was the woman?
Trena Roudebush: Ellie Smith, uh, she downtown Indy. She's a runner. [00:30:00] She's on Strava. That seemed to legitimize her enough. Uh,
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's amazing. That's so-- I love the running committee. what number segment
Trena Roudebush: were, we were 187
we were 187- 187
out of 250
Ally Brettnacher: 187. Okay. So was that pretty... do you re- know what the first Indiana segment was? That had to be
Trena Roudebush: Uh, we were the second
Ally Brettnacher: Okay.
Trena Roudebush: segment. yeah, it crossed into the border and then handed to us
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Yeah, 'cause I, uh, mentioned Mary Pittman I talked to as well. She did 193, and then Cameron Balzer
192,
Trena Roudebush: Yeah
Ah
did 192.
Ally Brettnacher: and then, , Lisa Keaty. Do you know Lisa? She, um, is Indy Mother Runner, I think is her sh- on Instagram. And she did, I think the one right after Mary or a couple. I don't know. I-- It was fun because I saw just different people doing it that I didn't know were doing it who are all, like, you know, together.
So 187, what, what was the timing of your segment?
Trena Roudebush: Oh, this was the other, like, this could just be an [00:31:00] adventure or it could all go well. Uh, so originally it was a window of like 6:00 to 9:00 PM was when the flag should arrive on Monday evening. And I signed up for that 'cause it worked... Like, I could work most of the day, I could go up, it'll be nice in the evening and whatever.
And then as the flag started getting closer, our start time started moving up in the day, and at one point it looked like it might be 5:00 AM on Monday.
Ally Brettnacher: Hmm.
Trena Roudebush: And so we're like, you know, tracking it over the weekend. R- I'm rearranging my work for the morning, letting people know like, "I'm probably not gonna... Well, I'm not going to be at work in the morning."
Yeah.
When I roll in, I'm gonna
Ally Brettnacher: Oh
Trena Roudebush: we wound up getting the flag about 7:00 AM
Ally Brettnacher: Oh, wow. Okay. On
Trena Roudebush: On Monday morning. Yeah
Ally Brettnacher: That's so cool to think about 'cause then I'm like, "Oh, then Mary got it, like, in the evening," and then R- you know. So just, wow. Okay, so that's-- So the weather,
Trena Roudebush: It was hot. was so hot
And what did the group look like? So [00:32:00] obviously you had another woman in your group, Ally, and then who else was there did you get to meet?
Yeah, so when we were driving up, we're like, "It might just be us." Like, we have no idea. There were like eight or 10 people that had signed up for the leg that you never know, like now the time has changed, is it convenient? is somebody gonna flake? we had a really amazing, really diverse group, which I think is the beautiful part about this whole experience.
So Ally and I were from Indy. We're hanging out in the parking lot. We see another car. We're like, "Maybe that's one of us." Um, I think he was a firefighter from Evansville. We had a woman roll up from Lowell in, northern Indiana. She came about an hour and a half. And then two like 18-year-olds and their mom rolled up.
They were from Lou- Louisiana
Stop it.
And we asked like, "Were you in Indiana?" And they're like, "Why would we come to Indiana?" I'm like, "Well, you did."
Ally Brettnacher: Jeez
Trena Roudebush: just to do this, and then they were driving home.
[00:33:00] insane
And then we had a family from Kentucky. the dad got out of the Sprinter van that they were in, and then, a woman in like her early 20s got out and she said something about like, "I tried to convince the other kids to come."
And I was like, "How many kids are there?" She said they're a family of 10 kids. And then like two more daughters hopped out.
And...
Ally Brettnacher: Wow
Trena Roudebush: It was just-- It was such an interesting mix and people that like I would not typically spend two hours running with. was amazing
So amazing. So amazing. Yeah, and so how early did you get to the handoff point, and what did your handoff point look like?
Yeah. So we got-- we decided to roll into town about 4:30, so we left Indy about 3:00, just to make sure... because we figured, too, the flag was gonna pick up its pace overnight 'cause, you know, it was dark and a little bit cooler, and we had no idea. So we wanted to be there We got [00:34:00] there early. thank goodness for Casey's gas stations, and the, you know, we had a bathroom there and-- But we found this little church.
There's about a half mile, handoff window. And so we found a church where we could leave cars. so we all just kinda hung out in the parking lot and chatted, and more folks rolled in. Uh, folks that were supporting the previous leg rolled in, so we got their stories. And then all of a sudden, we see a flag and a group of probably four or five runners come up over the hill.
We start cheering for them, and then we roll in, and they continue on for, you know, another half mile or so with us. But as they meet us, they're singing the national anthem.
Oh
Ally Brettnacher: My gosh, that gives me goosebumps
Trena Roudebush: One, I don't think I could sing at the end of, 10, 12-mile leg,
Ally Brettnacher: yeah, that
Trena Roudebush: or remember the words.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, at that time of the day too. They've been running since probably before 5:00 maybe or after and
Trena Roudebush: Yeah.
Ally Brettnacher: wow. That's cool. Now, did you have the crew from Relay for America come before the, before you saw the runners?
Trena Roudebush: Yeah. [00:35:00] So one of their cars rolled in. They gave us a quick little briefing about which side of the road they wanted us on. If they do a short honk, we need to, like bunch up, like get in a narrow line. If they give us a long honk, bail into the ditch, something's going on.
Ally Brettnacher: Tuck and roll, Trina. Tuck and roll
Trena Roudebush: you could tell that they have been up for all of the last two weeks. It's amazing. They said they've made it past the delirious spot, so we felt a little bit safer. and
what is pa- what is past delirium though? Is that like even, they're like, "I don't even know what's happening"?
Yeah. It might be an alternate reality. I have no idea. But, they seem to be having fun, and they did have a trail car behind us that they had their blinkers on, and then once we got out of, like... We started kind of on a state highway. Once turned off and went, like, the side streets through Attica and the back country roads, they would leapfrog with us.
Um- Okay.
Ally Brettnacher: That makes sense
Trena Roudebush: And then one of their guys was trying to do, at least every segment, do something. So he spent a couple miles with [00:36:00] us and then hopped in the car.
That's nuts.
I think he was up to, 180 miles for the week. It was, it was mind-blowing.
Yeah. On no sleep and junk food.
You know, that's how ultra runners do it, right?
Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, just like that. Wow. And then did you carry the flag at all?
I did not. I was fine carrying it, not carrying it. people were very enthusiastic about it. So yeah, happy to, happy to let somebody else take that load
Yeah.
Yeah. Wow, that's so funny to me. I don't know, that's, that just rings Trina to me as well. You're just like, "Whatever. They want me to hold it, I'll hold it. They don't want me to hold it, I won't hold it."
Yeah
Ally Brettnacher: Oh, I love that so much. Oh my gosh. And what it... I forget, you were wearing a red tank top, I think, 'cause I spotted you in a photo randomly, and I was like, "Trina did it."
Trena Roudebush: I know. When you sent me the picture, I was like, "Where did you find this and how did you see me?"
I'm a super sleuth, Trina.
I loved the American flag bib overalls that the girls were wearing. Those were our friends from Kentucky, and [00:37:00] they were so, so adorable. yeah, I had my red team shorts, tank top that we did for, I think Firecracker Six many years ago.
blue shorts and then red, white, and blue striped calf sleeves.
It the most patriotic I have ever been in my life.
Ally Brettnacher: Trina, I bought a, chicken legs set that I wore last year for our Fourth of July race that I still have, and it's like the only time I wear it is for my f- you know, Fourth of July race, and I'm so excited. But it's like I'm a running American flag. Yeah.
Trena Roudebush: Yeah.
even looking, looking at all of the Instagram posts and the pictures that, these guys have been sharing over the course, it just everybody's attire has just been, like, so much fun. People are really getting into this
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, it's really interesting because I feel like when I first started watching them go, there were like a few of 'em. Like at the beginning there were a good group, and then as they're going through like the mountains, there's like just a few of 'em. And then as I think people
Trena Roudebush: because I feel like when I first started watching them go there were, like, a few of 'em. Like, at the beginning there were a good group, and then as they're going through, like, the mountains there's, like, just a few of 'em. And then as I think people
Ally Brettnacher: have seen it online, it just seems to be [00:38:00] picking up steam. It'll be just so interesting to keep watching 'cause I think more people know about it and are coming out, which I, I didn't realize... Like Mary said that she was so surprised there were people out cheering for them, and I'm like, "How did these people even know it's happening?"
Trena Roudebush: You know?
I have the same question. Like,
there, yeah, there was a small group out in Attica and they like had their phones out, and I have no idea, like it didn't seem like they had a connection to any of the
The internet. Yeah, or yeah, or that.
Yeah, that too.
Yeah. Like, I mean, some of those towns in Indiana and the Midwest, I mean, it's... There's, like, a stoplight maybe.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.
Trena Roudebush: What it has made me want to do is go just see some of these small town downtowns. They were adorable. Like, there's murals and cute little storefronts, and I need to out
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Well, up in Syracuse, Indiana, it's very small town Indiana, and when we drive up, I always think like, "Oh, I'm gonna stop at one of these antique stores one of these days," and we still have never done that, but, [00:39:00] someday. But they are so adorable. It's like a street, it's like a block and that's it, and you're out, and
There's something so magical about small town USA.
Yeah. Just relaxed, lower, cute. Yeah
Yeah. So did you-- Like, what would they say about the pace before-- Like, what were your expectations going in, and how did it go for your leg?
Yeah. so they were pretty relaxed, coming in pace and expectations. We had kind of a wide variety. several days before our leg, a communication went out that, the flag needed to pick up its pace if it wanted to make it to on time. Like it was sort of lagging behind, so there was a little bit of pressure to, keep it moving.
and I think that's why, you know, our segment went from like 6:00 PM to potentially 5:00 AM was people before us took it really seriously and that thing started moving.
They're like, "Okay, we got it."
Yeah. and then as we got going, one of the, organizer crew, the one that was running the first couple miles with us, [00:40:00] helped kind of throttle us so that we didn't drop somebody.
Trena Roudebush: We all
sort of stay together, at least at the beginning,
um,
you know, when we were coming through town and stuff. So he'd be like, "We're gonna drop back a few seconds and, you know, five, four, three, two, one." once we, we all sort of stayed, we spread out for a bit. I lagged a little bit, in the later miles.
Dude, it was so hot
yeah. Whoa. I cannot imagine running that far in the heat. It's
like-
No. But it was, it was such a change of pace, no pun intended, that, you know, it was lovely. but he talked about like coming through some of the mountain passes and like they really had to do like some power hiking and, you know, try to keep this moving, but it was so beautiful out west. he talked about like as they were coming through Utah, not...
Like recognizing that it was a little hard to breathe, and I was like: "Oh yeah, you're from sea level." And then he realized that there were wildfires happening, and they, they were getting the smoke from it.
Ah [00:41:00] Oh
so I can't even imagine trying to organize this and plan for all of these contingencies, and these are like 20-year-old guys.
I know.
So I am totally in awe of what they put together
Yeah, I told Mary this. Uh, Wyatt Moss is coming to run Monumental this fall.
Oh, awesome
So I am like already like, "Okay, how do I get him to come to the live show? How do I get him to tell us all about this crazy adventure?"
Oh, he totally
Ally Brettnacher: so I,
I hope so. But yeah, it's, just really interesting to think about.
And to your point, like the teamwork that has to happen just kind of organically because you can't just sprint. I mean, Mary said that there's like-- They were really excited when they got the flag, so they just like take off. And Mary had to be like, "Uh, hey guys, like we gotta rein it in here," Cause otherwise to your-- You know, you're gonna drop somebody and then... They did have somebody she said that dropped off and they're like, "Well..." I mean, it's hard because you don't have transportation. You're like... I, I don't know. But I understand that the organizers [00:42:00] simply have to draw that line and be like, "Listen, we care about you, but you need to plan it.
Trena Roudebush: done everything else."
Yeah.
Yeah.
we did have, a few people that just wanted to run a couple of miles, and so they would get in their vehicle. one guy I think got out a mile or two before. he ran, he got in a vehicle, he got out before the finish, and then ran the last couple miles
Yeah, that makes sense
he could kind of throttle it.
I think some legs were planning to like break it up into two-mile sections and make like a mini relay.
Yeah.
yeah.
that's
That's, smart because your average American can't just bang out 12 miles like a 9:30, 10-minute pace. I mean, it's, that's a lot to ask of somebody in the middle of summer. a lot of people are ramping up marathon training, so that helps. But, you know, to somebody who maybe doesn't run marathons, like that's a huge undertaking.
Yeah.
And
driving from Louisiana. Like, were they ru- like, were they decent runners? I don't-- I picture, like, what if you drive from Louisiana and then they're running [00:43:00] too fast for you, and you're like... I, I mean, it's just of, what a crazy thing
No, like they got out of their car and I was like, "Whew, we're gonna have trouble keeping up with them." Like they looked cross country. Yes. Like they were, they were ready.
Yeah. Oh my gosh, that would also be nerve-wracking, yeah, for you. You're like, "Okay, guys, please, don't kill me. This
Yeah. Do I wanna be the one, uh, asking for mercy back here?
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Did you carry water with you?
Yeah.
Yeah, on your back. Did you have a handheld or a vest?
I did a handheld, stole one of Bob's like 20 ouncers, like the
Ally Brettnacher: Okay. Geez, that's still like for 12 miles. Man. don't know how many times you encountered towns in that 12 miles, but was there anybody who came out and like had any kind of aid or support for the runners?
Trena Roudebush: Yeah, I
Yeah. I think the, the families that were-- that had a runner doing it
Ally Brettnacher: Mm.
Trena Roudebush: of water, snacks. Like they were all generous to like support all of us.
That's
the family from Kentucky was amazing. They're like: "What do you need?"
I don't know how much stuff you can fit in [00:44:00] a Sprinter van, but they had
have Yeah.
Oh,
and then Ally, who I rode up with, had her trunk like full of muffins and Gatorade and stuff for afterward, you know, making sure that everybody was, was fed and hydrated. but yeah, really our leg, like we started on the highway and kind of ran into Attica, and then from there we passed some farms, saw deer, we saw an eagle, like it was
super quiet.
Yeah. I was hoping it wasn't a buzzard 'cause it was kind of circling.
You're like, "Is everything okay?" Like, come across, yeah, anything scary.
Yeah, it is not my time.
Yeah. Yeah. No. That's so cool, Trina. I love it. Yeah, just say yes. Go listen to Trina's episode. I had to look up what number you were. It's 31.
Oh, wow. That was time ago.
Yeah. Crazy. So, what's next for you? What race do you have now?
Are you doing a 4th of July anything?
there's some conversation about running either 17.76 kilometers or miles.
[00:45:00] Ooh.
So we will, we will just put together a fun run. And then I don't have anything until Back Your Badge in September. I'm gonna paste that and then paste Mill Race. So
Pace all races.
to
have to remember how to run a marathon.
Are-- Oh, I mean, yeah, that's just muscle memory at this for you.
Yep
Are you closing in on 100? How-- Where are you at?
I've done 89, so maybe monumental of 27
Okay. That, oh my gosh, so cool. So cool, Trina. Okay, did I not ask you anything else that you wanted to share about this wild experience?
I think I've told you all my stories.
So I'm so jealous. I really wanted to do it, but I just... Yeah, with the way it changed, the logistics, the-- I mean, man. But who knows if they'll ever do it again? 'Cause especially when it gets to where people know about it, it just that logistically then becomes even harder.
Ally Brettnacher: So,
Trena Roudebush: And
I think
cool to
yeah, for the 250th birthday of [00:46:00] America, they divided it into 250 segments. It, it's just one of those, milestone events that do you want to try to repeat it?
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. No, no, it's so cool. I'm so sad. But at least I get to live vicariously through you, so thank you for doing it.
Trena Roudebush: We'll put together something crazy and invite you
you.
Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, I'm in, hopefully. I don't know. Man, family, it's so hard. It's just I wish I could just be like, "Yeah, whatever." Someday. Someday I'll be in that stage of aw, well, thanks for doing this, Trina. I love to see you as always, and hopefully I get to see you again soon.
Trena Roudebush: Yes, please. This was so much fun. Thank you
Ally Brettnacher: fun.
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And I will be back with the Catching Up with Coach series will be recorded and launched next week, so you can hear about my coach, Rachel Sanders, her Fourth of July race, my [00:47:00] Fourth of July race here at Wawa C. And then I'm heading to Greece with my husband on a much overdue 10th anniversary and 40th birthday celebration for both of us on July 11th.
So I will probably do a, a rerun episode for the next couple of weeks just so that I can really take some time to get some quality time with my man and soak up the sun in Santorini. I cannot wait. So stay tuned for those. I appreciate you listening, and happy Fourth of July. Bye.